Horrendous tale of woe................help?

[Rocket88]

A work colleague of mine, against my advise, spent £5k on a 70k mile Disco 2 diesel [top of the range, all the fruit] After he'd had it for about a month, he took it to France, fully loaded with kids, snowboards, wife etc. It marched across France [although it did seem to use a prodigous amount of fuel,] until he came to a little village in the middle of sodding nowhere. He was trickling through this village on a trailing throttle, whereupon the bloody Disco began to behave as if posessed by Satan himself.

The revs shot up to maximum, and clouds of smoke issued forth from every orifice. Turning the thing off and removing the keys had no effect, and just as the Fire Brigade turned up, someone managed to jam the thing in gear and stall it. Needless to say, it wouldn't start again.

It was recovered back to Jersey, whereupon the local main agent has said that it needs a complete set of new injectors, along wity sundry other bits, to the tune of over £2k [inc labour] I've read that things can develope cracks in their cylinder heads, so if that's what has happened, the work that they propose to do will not cure the problem. They want a shed load MORE money to remove the head to check it.

Can these things be compression tested, and would that reveal any cracks in the head? Should I advise that he takes it elsewhere and get some s/hand injectors, and then pour a bucket full of K-seal in it. Should he hammer a Freelander over the top of it?

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[morris_ital_lover]

Sounds like a runaway turbo...

 

If thats what it is then I'm suprised he's even got a semblence of an engine in the car.

[cort16]

That's definetely a run away. For a Start he's going to need a turbo but anything could be borked if it's eat the engine oil and been been revving it's bollocks off.

He'd maybe as well trying to source another engine and getting a local decent Mechanic (Not LR) to bung it in.

[Rocket88]

Christ on a bike! It's already had a replacement turbo before he bought it! Are these things that shit, and could this be caused by incorrect fitment of afoermentioned turbo?

[oman5]

I agree. the engine's run away. aside from oil seals gone on the turbo, it can also be caused by broken piston crown, rings etc causing the engine to feed on its own oil. I had it happen in a Bedford midi van and its terrifying.

At any rate, I personally wouldn't waste money on the existing engine as its likely to have been seriously damaged even if the pistons are ok. am I missing something, why would they think it needed new injectors?

[Cavcraft]

Two pissing grand and they're not even taking the head off? Personally I'd tell them to go and whistle Bohemian Rhapsody out of their arse and take it elsewhere.

[Pete-M]

Could be a lot of things. Turbo, head gasket, etc etc etc....

 

This, boys and girls, is another reason why no-one with a brain buys a diesel....

[meggersdog]

Well each injector from Paddock's is http://www.paddockspares.com/msc000040- ... l?___SID=U

So five of 'em would be a grand plus vat then you would probably need a wiring loom and the whole lot programming.Doesn't seem a lot now but like as been said before it sounds like it's running on it's own oil which would bugger the injectors.Replace them then find the real cause.

They do suffer with cracked heads but that is an overheating issue.An overheated engine might knacker the piston rings which might make it run on it's own oil.

 

Throw the engine away and replace it with a Transit Di.

[eddyramrod]

Throw the engine away and replace it with a Chevy V8

 

EFA

[Rocket88]

After doing some digging, it appears that these engines have a nasty habit of cracking heads, which causes the turbo to go into spazz mode, and eat both itself and the engine. As it's recently had a new turbo, I suspect that this has happened before, the turbo has been replaced, but the real cause of the problem has not been solved..........

[gtd2000]

It's a Land Rover product - isn't this kind of thing part of the character and appeal of ownership?

 

My mate has a 51 plate Disco and it's always got some fucking problem but he keeps it due to the perceived brand recognition - had it about 4 years now I think!

[Cavcraft]

Could be a lot of things. Turbo, head gasket, etc etc etc....

 

This, boys and girls, is another reason why no-one with a brain buys anything with 'Rover' in the name....

 

 

EFA!

[gtd2000]

Could be a lot of things. Turbo, head gasket, etc etc etc....

 

This, boys and girls, is another reason why no-one with a brain buys anything with 'Rover' in the name....

 

 

EFA!

 

Unless it has a Honda engine in it of course

[Tonka]

If the injector seals have been leaking then it will allow diesel to seep into the sump overfilling it, this also happens if the head has cracked around the injector seat though in 5 years I have only known us to have to replace 2 heads it's usually down to the seals but this in no way affects the turbo unless of course it has reduced the sump oil to p*ss over a long period of time then if the turbo fails it will start to run off the sump oil and rev it's knacker's off, fortunately it doesn't normally do the bottom end

[wuvvum]

This, boys and girls, is another reason why no-one with a brain buys anything with 'Rover' in the name....

 

Oi!!!

 

Had a diesel run away on a Trooper once - wasn't fun at the time, even though I managed to stall the engine fairly quickly. I'm pretty sure that one was turbo seals.

[Rocket88]

So it could be injector seals then. The fact that' it's already had one turbo, but these appear to be the original injectors could mean that it's got a cracked head, AND knackered injector seals. My suspision is that the cracked head might only show up when the bloody thing is warm and under load for a good length of time. Neither of these events ever happen over here, so the first time it's been subjected to "hard work", the crack has opened sufficiently to let all manner of unpleasantness occur.

Or am I talking bollocks................

[ashmicro]

So it could be injector seals then. The fact that' it's already had one turbo, but these appear to be the original injectors could mean that it's got a cracked head, AND knackered injector seals. My suspision is that the cracked head might only show up when the bloody thing is warm and under load for a good length of time. Neither of these events ever happen over here, so the first time it's been subjected to "hard work", the crack has opened sufficiently to let all manner of unpleasantness occur.

 

 

Sounds both logical and feasible to me.

[scooters]

This, boys and girls, is another reason why no-one with a brain buys anything with 'Rover' in the name....

 

Oi!!!

 

Had a diesel run away on a Trooper once - wasn't fun at the time, even though I managed to stall the engine fairly quickly. I'm pretty sure that one was turbo seals.

 

oi indeed - has Felly hacked your account?

[Cavcraft]

I'm only joshing. Nothing wrong with Rovers.

 

That a can of unleaded and a box of matches won't sort!

 

[scooters]

I'm only joshing. Nothing wrong with Rovers.

 

That a can of unleaded and a box of matches won't sort!

 

 

don't try hiding your rudeness in small print thinking that Rover drivers are all old giffers who can't read small print anymore...I have you know that fine magnifying glasses are avaliable at any quality high street stationer and I intend to purchase one by driving a Rover at 28 mph to the town, parking considerately and legally before returning to read the said script when I will then write a strong letter to the editor of the Daily Mail complaining about Liverpool!

 

 

btw your Taxi driver post on ebay tat made me chortle so much I may have wee'd a bit

[ashmicro]

I've ordered the new aftermarket accessory kit for my Rover: Bifocal windscreen, pension book pocket and incontinence warning light (for the driver, not the header tank or HG)

[gdhaydock]

Having been a LR fanatic for many years, had diesel and petrol series 2/3s and TDI / V8 discoverys. Whilst they have all had the typical 'rover quirks' that we all know about, rust, leaky windows, crappy electrics etc they have all been fixable and never had any major issues with them that regular fettling doesn't resolve.

 

However this time last year, I bought a TD5 Disco 2 (1999, 146k miles, good service history and not many owners) - what a stupid idea. In 12 months of my ownership, its gone through :-

 

1 x Head gasket & skim

1 x Steering box, pipework & pump.

2 x Auto gearboxes

1 x engine ECU

1 x Injector loom

1 x air con condensor

Shit loads of diesel.

 

Just having collected it from the transmission specialist who's just fitted the latest auto box, I now have a seized brake caliper - aaaagggghhh!!!!

 

Its for sale now as soon as I've changed the caliper - I'm going back to a 300tdi.

 

Would I have another one - definitely not!

[OwdChina]

The 200 was the best in my opinion, everything after was either gutless or lots of trouble a few years into its life, usually both.

[maxpower]

Could be a lot of things. Turbo, head gasket, etc etc etc....

 

This, boys and girls, is another reason why no-one with a brain buys anything with 'Rover' in the name....

 

 

EFA!

 

i go for the turbo.... my vivaro did the exact same thing... exhaust fumes left a mark on the tarmac that took about 6mths of rain to remove

[AnthonyG]

A recent Land Rover Owner buyers guide pointed out that some of the earlier Discovery 3s are now being broken up, as they have so many problems they are uneconomical to repair.

 

I guess if they had gone on to point out that this was a poor sign of longevity and perhaps a second-hand one is not recommended, they would have to change their title to 'Not a Land Rover Owner'. So they just said that 'you need to choose carefully'.

[dieselnutjob]

if a diesel starts to run away you just leave it in gear and brake until it stalls, but what happens if it's an automatic?

[cobblers]

if a diesel starts to run away you just leave it in gear and brake until it stalls, but what happens if it's an automatic?

 

[M'coli]

I have heard tell of a certain type of French diesel ripping the centre out of the clutch when you try to stall it.

[Shep Shepherd]

A runaway diesel can be stopped by spraying the contents of a CO2 fire extinguisher (or a BCF/Halon one if you don't mind breaking the law) into its air intake. GR11 if you have one to hand

[wuvvum]

I have heard tell of a certain type of French diesel ripping the centre out of the clutch when you try to stall it.

That's largely because the clutches on that particular make of car are made out of Roquefort.