The Liverturds! FINAL UPDATE of old Merseyside pictures.

[rml2345]

Couldn't agree with you more Warren. Town planners were given free reign in the 60s to do some unspeakable things and then trained a bunch of numpties to come along behind them with their own set of stupid ideas to make things even worse. They should be forced to live somewhere that's been blighted by poor planning choices before being allowed to inflict their daftness upon anyone else. 6 months in a sink estate in Cumbernauld would fix anyone's idiotic ideas. 
The (more) recent update is fab BTW, please keep them coming if you can. I didn't realise that the Post Office were still using Scammell automatic couplings in the 70s.
Also, the "Then and Now! stuff is fascinating even for those not local to Merseyside. Looking at how some areas appear virtually the same whilst others have vanished completely. 

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[DeeJay]

The Mona Castle, Garston.

I had my first pint in there about 1972-73.

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Right then, I'm going cross eyed going through all these pics looking for shite content so I'm going to call it a night and leave the rest until tomorrow.

[vulgalour]

Well I'm up way past even my bedtime now having enjoyed this thread so far.  What an excellent collection of images, had many an excited inner squee when spotting something unusual in the traffic.  Astonishing numbers of Anglias and Standards throughout.

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Anglias seem to outnumber Minis and Minors in 1960/70's 0151 area. I think someone at the factory was giving family discount to anyone in exchange for a ticket for the Derby match. With the commercials I've forgotten how popular the Bedford CA was with businesses everywhere, probably down to simple mechanics and long production life. 

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I think I need a holiday after all this picture posting,I wonder if I can hire a car for the trip?

 

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I bet she cooked his tea properly the next evening.

 

 

 

Fuck-a-duck, that takes me back. Remember being invited upstairs (not by Pete Burns, before you ask) and buying some really rare Sex Pistols stuff one Saturday.

[londonm]

I'll post some more pics soon but I thought I might like to take five minutes out for a quick rant that's probably more relevant on here than in the grumpy thread. 

 

Town planners and safety lobbys have achieved nothing more than destroy the neighbourhoods and areas of our cities. Looking at these then and now pics I see areas blighted by poverty caused by needless pedestrianisation, parking restrictions, one way streets and unnecessary barriers and street furniture that have done nothing whatsoever to improve an area, reduce accidents or ease congestion. We as motorists have endured short-sighted strategy from the people we elect in our town halls. 

 

We need to reclaim the streets for businesses again.

I was thinking of making the same or a similar point when I read this. It was quite startling to see the differences in road marking and pedestrianised areas. The Cardiff of my youth looked just like your pics, bustling and full of commerce which was great. However, I've moved around a lot and I'm in London now, but the one thing I notice on my travels is POINTLESS road 'improvements'. In Clapham, near me, I drive past a long section of road where the normal road/parking relationship has been 'improved' by Lambeth Council to an extended pavement which you have to mount to park. Why? What is the possible point of that? This is OUR money they're spunking on this. They create bottlenecks to create congestion, then impose congestion charging. Lee Rowley at Westminster Council recently gave up his free borough wide parking permit to enforce the total elimination of free Sunday and evening parking because 'he wanted to pay' like everybody else should. He failed, thank God, because of public outcry. He couldn't give a monkeys about the impact on businesses, I think he just wanted to generate more money for the Council pension pot. He is now a conservative candidate for a constituency in Derbyshire for the next Election, someone whom in my opinion doesn't listen to his residents voices and is just chasing whatever power the political classes think they have. A google of ' Lee Rowley Hanover' will lead you to a video of him failing to impress people.

 

These Councils treat your High Streets as if the Internet never happened, meaning if you run a business in a pedestrianised area you can't sell anything a lot bigger than a toaster. They bleat about saving their local High Streets whilst still raising parking charges and slapping fines on the very cars that are trying to keep these shops going. They then wonder why that car never comes back and drives out to the big mall with free parking on the outskirts of town.

 

Make them sign contracts before they start as councillors stating just what they intend to do, and prosecute them if they deviate. They work for us, not the other way around.

[Vin]

Here's some more. There's a few "then and now" pics in there that I should imagine will only be of interest to locals and I'm sorry for any reposts!

 

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Then = A real DS

Now =  A fake DS

 

I can only echo others comments when I say these are great WTC. Very Interesting.

 

Looking at the 'then & now' pics it does seem odd that certain buildings have survived yet better looking structures have been felled. And that's just in the same streets and rows of buildings. Strange. and sad.

[chaseracer]

The Anglia was built at Halewood, further upriver - hence the numbers. Just like the preponderance of BMC chod in old pics of Brum!

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This is great - the advance guard of the Audi invasion AND a reminder of knackered floppy Transits whose rear doors didn't line up any more...

 

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That MkII gets about...

 

[NorfolkNWeigh]

Ive only ever been to Liverpool once and that was two years ago, but a lot of these photos remind me of my childhood.

I was born in a poor part of Birmingham in 1964 and so many of these shots could have been taken there,(although the docks in Birmingham were never very busy).I suppose the same could be said of any industrial city.

 

The other noticeable thing is the colour of the buildings because of the pollution, it's a wonder any of you Scousers made it into adulthood!

[Station]

WTC that is so true about pedestrianisation of roads bringing about an effect of poverty, or at least bringing an area down. Toxteth is FULL of these things - roads have been closed off with bollards blocking any through-fare. The town planners do this to stop cars using them as short cuts, it turns them into mini-ghost towns - I've got trapped trying to get on Dock Road through that estate (near where Bread was filmed), and has literally taken me 15 minutes to find a way out of it. Horrible.

[DeeJay]

WTC that is so true about pedestrianisation of roads bringing about an effect of poverty, or at least bringing an area down. Toxteth is FULL of these things - roads have been closed off with bollards blocking any through-fare. The town planners do this to stop cars using them as short cuts, it turns them into mini-ghost towns - I've got trapped trying to get on Dock Road through that estate (near where Bread was filmed), and has literally taken me 15 minutes to find a way out of it. Horrible.

I know where you mean but at least when your driving around

you have a nice view of the river and Wirral to keep the blood pressure down.

 

Road and estate planning at its best Skelmersdale.

I grew a beard while trying to find an address there.

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[Rover414]

Some amazing bits here WTC, I've lived in Liverpool all my life and watching it change even in the past 10 years it's a big change, especially the city centre and in my opinion not for the better in many ways.

[brickwall]

Great stuff and all, but Brookside was shite. We want moaaaar!

[chaseracer]

The other noticeable thing is the colour of the buildings because of the pollution, it's a wonder any of you Scousers made it into adulthood!

Same everywhere - coal fires!

 

I remember how black the buildings were in Worcester when I was a kid, and that was hardly a centre of industry. Then, within a few years, they were all cleaned up.

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I thought this Bedford was this one at the London Bus Museum, great thread BTW Warren.

 

[warren t claim]

As the AS resident self appointed Liverpool historian I thought I'd have a slight thread deviation for a while. I've got some RED HOT Liverpool Echo car ad scans from 1978/82/88 that I thought I'd share with you. I was going to do another thread for them but as this topic is getting a fair bit of traffic I hope nostalgia pics fans won't mind waiting a bit before I upload a few more XXX rated pics.

[michael t]

one word, YES (please) 

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Now That's What I Call Autoshite 

[HMC]

WTC did u crop the before and after pics? That must have taken ages, theyre all spot on!

 

Mixture of fascination and depression browsing over them. We can go on the doovla website to see what happened to the cars, i wonder what became of some of the people too.

 

 

EDIT moah please- esp the old echo car ad scans!!

[warren t claim]

Here's a taster of 1988.

 

 

Due to OMG PDF MONG you're going to have to enlarge it yourselves I'm afraid.

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