Peugeot FAP query?

[pogweasel]

Attn: Shiters.

 

Does anyone know what the crack is with this FAP nonsense on some HDi engines, because I am jiggered if I know what the bobby moore is.

 

Basically, I am contemplating purchasing this car:

However, I am led to believe that some (but not all!) of these 307's have this FAP filter device that if it goes wrong basically renders the car an economic write-off.

Seller seems to be none the wiser about all this (but has been fairly helpful at least), is there a way to tell of this is a money-pit waiting to happen or a worthwhile purchase?

 

THX. POG. x

[Des]

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[Guest Leonard Hatred]

I think it's just fitted to the 2.2 136 efforts at that time, PW.

[Pillock]

If it has, it's got a tank of fluid that it feeds into a filter located near the cat to remove certain particles from the exhaust. Sounds a lot like Adblue.

When the fluid runs out, you need a dealer to refill it and reset the computer - most Renault specialists will charge £450 or so, dealers closer to £700. There's no level indicator or dipstick so it just runs out when it runs out and you get a snotty message on the dash. Even if you fill it yourself it still needs booking in to have the thing reset.

 

For the record, they're HATEFUL HATEFUL cars. I had a '54 HDi90 SW and it was pig slow, really poor on fuel because you were constantly dropping a gear to get it to move forwards, and it had already started to get electrical gremlins. I hope it's priced accordingly.

 

90 has traditional clutch, 110 and above have DMFs which is also another reason they get written off early, close on four figures for a dealer replacement.

[wuvvum]

Those glass-roofed 307 wagons are stupidly heavy. I was browsing the brake weight charts at the local MoT station last weekend, and the HDi wagon with a glass roof was rated at 1750kg. That's two and a bit Daihatsu Cuores.

[garycox]

A woman I work with has an 02 307SW (not sure what engine) and the electrics are constantly going wrong. It's had to be recovered several times due to issues with the key or immobiliser, and there's all sorts of other niggles like the rear wiper coming on if you shut the door too hard etc...

 

She's had a few Peugeots before, but she says she definitely won't buy another now.

[Negative Creep]

Wow, modern cars suck. Can't wait for the "hilarity" once cars like this make up the majority of the sub £500 bracket

[myglaren]

My '53' C5 doesn't have a FAP. 2.2s do and newer ones so if you have the 2.0 110 engine you should be OK.

It isn't so much that they go wrong but that the particle filter needs changing at intervals of approximately 100,000 miles IIRC, at the same time the Eolys fluid has to be topped up - there is a tank near the fuel tank that holds around 5L and it is in the region of £40/L - the new particle filter is around £140, plus fitting.

In some if not all cases the ECU needs resetting with a Planet 2000 diagnostic computer.

Also in some cases the ECU has to be replaced, some of them apparently can't be reset.

 

That is the official story.

 

The filters can clog up if the car is driven too gently or lots of short trips/urban driving.

It never gets hot enough to regenerate - that is to burn off the trapped soot particles, which brings up the dreaded Antipollution message, along with limp-home mode.

A good blast fairly frequently avoids that. It should be driven, once properly warmed up, for 20 minutes at 4,000 revs to clear it completely.

 

You can however 'lose' the filter and fluid. You need to tell the ECU that it isn't there though.

 

I couldn't say anything about the 307 in comparison to the C5 but when it is running correctly (mine isn't) the 110 will pull well and give quite decent economy along with a lower tax rate.

[chaseracer]

...90 has traditional clutch, 110 and above have DMFs...

Forgive the slight hijack, but does this mean that my 53-reg Blingo HDi90 will have a 'proper' clutch?

[ashmicro]

Cheers for that info everyone. My mate was just asking me about this yesterday! AS to the rescue once again.

[Tayne]

It should be driven, once properly warmed up, for 20 minutes at 4,000 revs to clear it completely.

 

GR-ZERO 4 ECONOMY AN ENVIRONMENT!!!

[dollywobbler]

I've generally heard horrors about 307s (well, 07 Pugs in general to be honest) but my dad-in-law's is still going well enough. I'd still be wary. Skoda Roomster is where it's at if you're after space, though I guess they haven't plunged in value yet. Roomster is definite future-shite I reckon, purely for the fact that it looks like it was styled by two different people, who didn't speak to each other. They're great to drive...

[Pillock]

Aye, mine was a glass-roofed jobbie and it just felt lardy. That, plus a measly 90bhp meant I was driving around in the modern equivalent of a 1.3 Sierra surely?

 

Chaseracer, I don't know..... PSA have an "amusing" habit of just bolting random parts together sometimes in odd combinations. I was told that for 307s though that the 90s were traditional.

[carlo]

Makes you weep for a good old fashioned 405 diesel (1100kg)

[chaseracer]

Chaseracer, I don't know..... PSA have an "amusing" habit of just bolting random parts together sometimes in odd combinations. I was told that for 307s though that the 90s were traditional.

This would explain both the dealer in Stafford and my local garagiste quoting a large chunk of cash extra for a DMF "if we find it's got one once we're in"...

[dieselnutjob]

my 607 had a FAP

doesn't any more

 

I think that the 2.0 HDI 307s had a FAP as well

 

If it has an EDC15C2 ECU it's easily removed

[Espacetic]

Just make sure it hasn't got the 16v engine, injectors seize in the head and have to be machined out.

[Rocket88]

All modern Frnch stuff seems to consist of an unremitting pile of shite parts thrown together on a wing and a prayer, with epically complicated / expensive systems willfully designed to implode at the drop of un chapeau.........

[Father Ted]

...90 has traditional clutch, 110 and above have DMFs...

Forgive the slight hijack, but does this mean that my 53-reg Blingo HDi90 will have a 'proper' clutch?

Yes, I replaced the one on mine at 40K miles when the thing nearly ate through the pressure plate.

[pompei]

http://www.peugeotforums.com/forums/sho ... php?t=1036

 

Seems FAP problems are not uncommon ...

[sporty-shite]

Sorry to sound negative, but 307s are SHIT.

 

We had a load on rental when they first launched, and probably more than half of them developed faults that kept them off the road for weeks at a time, including one that only saw two rentals in it's six month life, and it was towed away from one of those.

 

Problem was, they looked good on paper, being fairly well-specced and economical. However, they were mind-numbingly dull to drive, painfully slow (90 HDi saloons) and unreliable. The only way I'd take one was if it was free, and that would only be to sell it and use the money for something else.

[In The Pit]

Agreed about 307's being awful they are in so many ways, they feel like your driving a van, build quality seems poor, ugly as hell and unreliable. We had two back in the 00's where I used to work as pool cars a red/pink 02 plate and a silver 04 plate and we had loads of problems with them. The 02 used to eat clutches for breakfast and it came to a point that if anyone had to travel further than about 5 miles people just took their own car and charged petrol expenses to the company for fear of the 02 one breaking down. You used to touch the brakes and almost go through the screen. Everyone hated driving them even the guys/girls who new nothing about cars didnt like them. The 02 was replaced by a 207 which which also rubbish, (they run an Audi and a Vauxhall now). When one of the 307's was at Peugeot getting fixed we had a 206 from the dealer and that was a nice drive I was impressed.

 

I would drive one first (if you haven't already) before you buy one. As was mentioned if they are really heavy the plus point is you'll get a good price when you weigh one in!

[Negative Creep]

Seeing as this followed the rather lovely 306, does the 307 have a good shout for being the worst successor ever?

[trigger]

My FIL has a 07 plate 307 1.6 HDI, According to autodata it's a 45 mintue job to change the air filter, you have to strip half the engine down as it's under the dash as such behind the engine, It's a pig of a job.

 

[myglaren]

It should be driven, once properly warmed up, for 20 minutes at 4,000 revs to clear it completely.

 

GR-ZERO 4 ECONOMY AN ENVIRONMENT!!!

 

It is all very contradictory. Bonkers, in fact, like electric cars.

[Justin Case]

I hope that this isn't too late, but even allowing for Gloomy John's unbridled optimism, FAP would seem to be the least of your problems:

 

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/pe ... ection=bad

 

[seth]

A gallon of mystery, very expensive fluid stored somewhere in your car , that slowly escapes and requires re-filling and resetting by an expensive garage is the best* bit of built in obsolescence I've ever heard of.

 

 

 

Stupid new Peugeot owner scenario now revolving around my head - Person buys new Peugeot. Drives about 400 miles. Light comes up on dash. Car stops working. Car recovered to dealer. Dealer puts some more petrol in.....

[RichL]

I've done quite a few miles in a couple of different 307's we have/had at work. The first one was an '05 plate 1.6HDi 110 with glass roof, pretty quick all round but I always thought it handled pretty poor for a pug. The DMF started rattling at about 50k, the DPF needed replacement at about 70k and costed big £££. Got rid at 85k.

We now have a '57 plate hatch 1.6HDi 90 which handles more like a pug should but is gutless. It's now done 49k and the DMF has been noisy for ages, and suffers from the snatchy brakes mentioned earlier. I'd never buy one.

[pogweasel]

Well.

Apparently it's a non-FAP/DMF one.

Less power vs. less chance of problems??

 

A deposit has been paid.

 

 

(Note: I really wanted a SherpaLDV200Pilot. But even I have to concede that travelling the land in one of those is suicidally masochistic.)

[Negative Creep]

I hope that this isn't too late, but even allowing for Gloomy John's unbridled optimism, FAP would seem to be the least of your problems:

 

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/pe ... ection=bad

 

 

 

I like the way the "What's Good" column is little more than a spec and price list