Mk10 Jaguar STOLEN

[HillmanImp]

You think how many cars are sat up in barns for years do you think that every car is sold with a V5? It is not illeagal to buy it without one. Also having the V5 does not mean that you are the leagal owner of the car it clearly states that on it.

 

So I assume you apply for the V5 as the registered keeper once you have bought it? Obviously you will then need this to register it as scrapped with DOOVLA once you are done with it? Or how do you do it in order to be one of the good banger drivers who complies with the law?

 

And dont think I am taking sides here as I have raced at the Oval in Angmering before, I have bought cars without the V5 but then I have applied for it as I am the new keeper. You seem to be suggesting you dont do that.

[Cavcraft]

 

 

You think how many cars are sat up in barns for years do you think that every car is sold with a V5? It is not illeagal to buy it without one. Also having the V5 does not mean that you are the leagal owner of the car it clearly states that on it.

 

It may not be illegal to do so but when you buy a car like that you don't know if it's stolen or not and that's the real problem here.

[Lankytim]

Half the cars I raced never came with any paperwork, some had been sitting around for years or had already been stripped to a bare shell after passing through several sets of hands. All of them were typical end of life vehicles and something that you would see disappearing into a scrapyard rather than a shiny minter with a smashed drivers window and hotwired ignition.

 

OK, you can never know for sure if the car is stolen or not if its minus its paperwork, but you could say that about a secondhand playstation, set of cheap alloy wheels, fridge freezer you see for sale in the paper e.t.c. I guess its down the the judgement and honesty of the individual driver on wether he buys a particular car or not, but there are alot of banger drivers out there, and if one guy says no, the next may well say yes.

[banger-driver]

I agree with you there. I do apply for the log book as most scrap yards do not take cars without the log books due to the amount of stolen cars getting scrapped and when i am buying a car that has no V5 i just use my judement on how the car looks and how genuine the person looks and also i will only pick it up from their house. I agree with what you are saying about some banger drivers being dodgy but its like anyone that is out there. There are good and bad people no matter what sport they do or dont do, i just dont like being tarred with the same brush as the small minority of people that would race a stolen car wether they knew it or not!

[Guest]

I agree with you there. I do apply for the log book as most scrap yards do not take cars without the log books due to the amount of stolen cars getting scrapped and when i am buying a car that has no V5 i just use my judement on how the car looks and how genuine the person looks and also i will only pick it up from their house. I agree with what you are saying about some banger drivers being dodgy but its like anyone that is out there. There are good and bad people no matter what sport they do or dont do, i just dont like being tarred with the same brush as the small minority of people that would race a stolen car wether they knew it or not!

 

Fair play B-D. Banger racing will always have an image problem because of the small minority (and I do stress small minority) going out on the rob. Although it isn't 100% clear what happened with the Mk10 and how many parties were involved \ exploited, the owner did at least get her car back (or what was left of it). Whoever decided to do this may not have had entirely altruistic intentions but at least the car didn't end up on the oval. I'm not in a position to judge whether or not that's a good thing given its current state.

 

The small number of individuals who do choose to steal cars to race unfortunately get portrayed as the most active. I reckon the reason the other 99% of honest racers out there get tarred with the same flak because of the perceived reluctance to weed out or regulate what does and doesn't get raced. As you suggest, it's a minefield and I don't know what the solution is.

[Cavcraft]

I agree with you there. I do apply for the log book as most scrap yards do not take cars without the log books due to the amount of stolen cars getting scrapped and when i am buying a car that has no V5 i just use my judement on how the car looks and how genuine the person looks and also i will only pick it up from their house. I agree with what you are saying about some banger drivers being dodgy but its like anyone that is out there. There are good and bad people no matter what sport they do or dont do, i just dont like being tarred with the same brush as the small minority of people that would race a stolen car wether they knew it or not!

 

Good points made there but to be fair I don't anyone is saying ALL racers are a bad sort.

[retrogeezer]

well it's not often you see the word 'altruistic' on a forum!

[Guest]

well it's not often you see the word 'altruistic' on a forum!

 

I like to set the bar high.

 

So that someone can crash an old Farina into it, or something.

[Mash]

Just think all of you classic car owners the more that gets raced the rarer your car becomes and therefore would be worth alot more money.

 

WTF? Why on earth would any car enthusiast wish that? It's like going out and buying all the cars like yours and scrapping them deliberately for the very same reason!

 

I try not to get tied up in banger racing arguments becasue in the end no-one wins and they just go on and one forever but my view has always been that if a car is beyond economic restoration then fair enough. My biggest peeve is with the rare stuff that we've seen raced over the years just for the thrill of it. It's alright saying that no-one wanted to buy it but once it's gone, it's gone and no-one will get the chance agin.

 

I take issue with the "put your money where your mouth is" statements too. I'm willing to bet that the majority of people involved in banger racing have the ability to drop everything at a moments notice, jump into a beavertail with a handful of readies and go and collect an old car that's been heard of on the grapevine before anyone who might want to restore it has even got out of bed. The fact is that car won't hang around long either once it's prepped, off it goes to a race and the car fulfils its role and the remains are cubed. There's no having to consider where the money's coming from, where to store it for a long period of time whilst it's being restored, where to get the bits from, who's going to do the paint, what will the missus say etc etc etc.

[dollywobbler]

Well said Mash. I think banger racers need to remember that some people will always dislike the smashing up of old cars, whether legit or otherwise. Yes, a minority spoil it by stealing cars, but far more seem to enjoy boasting about the rarity of the cars they smash to pieces, removing them from history forever.

[warren t claim]

Is this a bad time to say that I really want to take the 4 year old Claim jr to his first banger race soon?

[Cavcraft]

It depends whose car you take him in I suppose

[banger-driver]

Just think all of you classic car owners the more that gets raced the rarer your car becomes and therefore would be worth alot more money.

 

WTF? Why on earth would any car enthusiast wish that? It's like going out and buying all the cars like yours and scrapping them deliberately for the very same reason!

 

I try not to get tied up in banger racing arguments becasue in the end no-one wins and they just go on and one forever but my view has always been that if a car is beyond economic restoration then fair enough. My biggest peeve is with the rare stuff that we've seen raced over the years just for the thrill of it. It's alright saying that no-one wanted to buy it but once it's gone, it's gone and no-one will get the chance agin.

 

I take issue with the "put your money where your mouth is" statements too. I'm willing to bet that the majority of people involved in banger racing have the ability to drop everything at a moments notice, jump into a beavertail with a handful of readies and go and collect an old car that's been heard of on the grapevine before anyone who might want to restore it has even got out of bed. The fact is that car won't hang around long either once it's prepped, off it goes to a race and the car fulfils its role and the remains are cubed. There's no having to consider where the money's coming from, where to store it for a long period of time whilst it's being restored, where to get the bits from, who's going to do the paint, what will the missus say etc etc etc.

 

 

Maybe i shouldnt have quite put it like that. The arguement could be the other way round though perhaps that rusty old thing that is in a barn the is destined to be " restored " sits there for years and years and never gets finished and ends up being scrapped without even seeing the track. You must think that banger drivers are loaded i can assure you that the average banger driver is skint. Anyway have you ever heard of the statement that the early bird gets the worm? At the end of the day once the money has changed hands then it is up to the new owner what he/she will do with that car. So what if it does go on the track its a hobby, just like people restoring cars for most of them its their hobby. I would like to race a mk1 granada coupe but i cant afford it. Most of the people that race these sort of cars have had them for years.

[banger-driver]

Is this a bad time to say that I really want to take the 4 year old Claim jr to his first banger race soon?

 

No not at all i think he will enjoy it

[Cavcraft]

I went with my lad to Buxton a couple of years ago and it was great fun, especially the caravan race at the end.

[Rod/b]

My two Dirhams-worth: I can't understand the mentality of smashing up a rare old car just because it's a rare old car, but so long as the racer involved has bought and paid for it and is legit, then I can't get too emotional about it. It's theirs to do what they want with, regardless of what anybody else thinks.

 

Not a rare car by any real means, but a few years ago I tried for ages to shift an XJ12 and absolutely nobody was interested - not one. In the end it went to racers for fair money, and they stripped every un-needed reusable part off of it and autojumbled them, before changing the engine and sending what was left of the old girl round the track. Fair play to them. Better than Mr Smith and Mr Smith weighing it straight in and destroying a load of usable spares and trim parts in the process.

[outlaw118]

Allow me to add my two-penneth.....

Bro' and I used to race, both as "privateers" and as part of a team. We're talking nigh on 20 years ago, and the issue of "dodgyness" was rife then, and it always will be.

 

We never competed in pre '68 type meetings, I agree with most of you on that, I love cars too much, and seeing Mark 1 Cortinas and A40/60 et al being trashed is too painful.

 

We had a fair sized unit in West Tilbury, and on the same site was a certain Mr Steve taylor, legendary Cortina mark 3 restorer, and if we found any half decent Mk3's he'd have them off us. Conversely he'd give/ sell us mark 4/5's. At the time MK4/5 Cortinas were as common as muck, and we thought nothing of prepping two at a time, and we never brought a straight car home, barring a couple of exceptions. While stripping them out, all trim, glass, alloys, etc etc was saved, and I advertised them in Classic Ford type mags and got very little interest, to the extent that when we left Tilbury, most of it went in the skip.

 

We moved to West Thurrock, with more yard space and built up some stock. We got a phone call from "a friend of a friend" who had a 1982 Capri 2.0 that had failed the MoT etc etc, and wanted to know if we wnated it. Cash changed hands, and the car was driven in, and there it sat for about 2 months, awaiting stripping and prep.

We'd joined a team by then, and one of the chaps had been let down on a car, so the capri was stripped and built on a saturday afternoon. Due to an unfortunate incident with a bonfire a month before (RIP caravan! ) we were'nt allowed to have bonfires any more, so all the fixtures and fittings that were unsaleable, were thrown into the back of my car. It was too late to go to the tip once we'd finished, so I went home, got changed and went to a pub with a couple of chums. On the way home, they decided they needed a wee, so I stopped, they nipped out, and I had a look in a car dealers window.

Coppers arrive, with the old "what are you doing" type conversation.

They searched me, and the two chaps with me, then had a look at the car. Obviously in the back was a big pile of shit, including the number plates off the capri.

Fuckers that I'd bought it off, had reported it stolen about 6 weeks earlier, and it was subject to an agreed value insurance claim. Cue night in Brentwood nick, and bro' arrested too.

They sent a baconvan down to the yard and checked all the stock we had, and it was all 100% legit.

We weren't charged in the end, but I did hear that the "friends friend" had been paid out, and that they'd told the 3rd party what they'd done, and that they'd expected us to turn the car round and destroy it a lot quicker that we did.

Needless to say, justice was served on them at a later date.

 

Buyer beware! I took extra care after that incident, always insisted on the logbook, and a written receipt, and pretty much stopped buying stuff we were randomly offered. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

[banger-driver]

Fair play to you. to be fair i always get a reciept as it will help with the ass covering side of things. I bought a Mondeo that was already stripped the other week so i got the chassis number checked out with the police just to make sure. i know it was only a mondeo and nothing rare but people will pinch anything to make a quick buck or 2. I build my cars in a 1 car garage that my dad has on the side of his house as i cant afford to get a unit. The stigma to banger racers are thieves is always going to be there i just do get annoyed with it as it is a sport that i enjoy however i dont want people thinking that i am a thief just because i am a banger driver.

 

Thankyou to everyone on here that shows support for our sport and also if you need anything for a resto project just ask a banger driver im sure they will be able to help you out 1 way or another.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

My Fiat Croma came from a banger racer, the lad was sound as a pound and could not have been more helpful.

[504GL]

I can definitely respect that outlaw.

 

Personally banger racing is not my thing, but if someone doing what they want to with their own legally aquired property then I have no real problem with it.

 

I do feel however that logbooks should be mandatory. Sure if something has been in a barn for 40 years and has no logbook then it's going to be impossible but I think that's a fair price to pay to stop people yanking cars off people's property.

[messerschmitt owner]

I do feel however that logbooks should be mandatory. Sure if something has been in a barn for 40 years and has no logbook then it's going to be impossible but I think that's a fair price to pay to stop people yanking cars off people's property.

not true - I have the old green logbooks for all my cars that are old enough to qualify.

[overheadvalve]

Scum is right.

No one knows who actually took the car though do they?

 

Scum, was the car taken to weigh in and then the "people" decided against it for some reason? what reason?

 

What plausible reasons are there for taking an old car like this?

 

Maybe they took it because it erm....looked unloved and they assumed that the current owner would not want it and therefore would not mind?

It's just that no one knows......................................but everyone seems to have an idea.

 

Will the persons that took the car please own up?

 

Maybe the o/p could give them amnesty if they offered to restore the car to how it was before it was stolen, or am i living in cloud cukoo land.

[504GL]

I do feel however that logbooks should be mandatory. Sure if something has been in a barn for 40 years and has no logbook then it's going to be impossible but I think that's a fair price to pay to stop people yanking cars off people's property.

not true - I have the old green logbooks for all my cars that are old enough to qualify.

 

I didn't say that if something has been sitting for a while that it won't have a logbook, just that it's more possible.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

i can assure you that the average banger driver is skint.

 

Skintness may well be the reason why the rigger boot wearing, Hiab driving tattooed meatheads steal stuff then. I've seen Mercedes 600's and XJS Eventers raced, not exactly the sort of cars you buy if you're skint.

By all means banger old Vectras. Mondeos and stuff - I couldn't give a shit about them. It's when the mouthbreathers all turn up to see who can destroy the rarest/most valuable old car that I start to have an issue with it - it's like a badge of honour amongst the Ogrons.

 

 

Well done, you must be so proud.

[flat4alfa]

Not skint, oh no.

 

I've heard directly how much Westminsters have been changing hands for, ready for this:

 

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

^^^^

 

Jesus.

 

I would imagine some very solid uptogether cars are going to be destroyed to satisfy the egos of some grunting illiterates.

[RedSparrow]

Arlington is the nearest raceway to me, I generally go once a year.

Sadly, it had a bit of a reputation, due to some regular drivers who behave like animals and threaten new drivers etc. I know some people who won't race there anymore.

 

I will probably go at some point this year, but I don't think I could stomach an all Westminster meeting. I fail to believe that they will all be rotten old shitters.

Out of interest, how much would a racer pay for a Westy to enter this?

[Guest]

Car gets stolen which would be suitable for banger racing.

"It might not have been banger racers!"

Car turns up either on the track or with banger racing mods dumped somewhere.

"It's only a small criminal element!"

Cue argument about what could be done to stop this.

"Nothing can be done!"

Repeat.

[flat4alfa]

Out of interest, how much would a racer pay for a Westy to enter this?

Was told around £1200, but one changed hands for 'two-and-a-half'

[theorganist]

Cue argument about what could be done to stop this.

"Nothing can be done!"

 

Maybe if the "classic" car fraternity got together and lobbied those involved and maybe even MP's it might force people to do something about it. I am sure there is always something that can be done.

 

Personally I have no problem with banger racing perse, I quite enjoyed the couple I watched but I thought the keyword was "banger" i.e. cars destined for the scrapyard?!

 

What have the organisers got to lose in tightening the regulations ?!