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1987 Ford Sierra Sapphire 1.8L - Number plates - massive FAIL - see page 33


Peter C

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7 minutes ago, Peter C said:

You're right.

I looked in the obvious place before, the underside of the boot lid and didn't find anything exciting.

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But looking deeper into the boot, there it is, hiding on the rear panel.

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But why would a manually operated boot lock need an electrical supply? 

Could the lock mechanism also act as a switch that activates the boot light?

 

If it’s anything like the higher spec fiestas of the same age, there will be a tilt switch located where the bootlid travels through the biggest arc. Though on the fiesta this was a single wire switched earth. 

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2 minutes ago, mk2_craig said:

If it’s anything like the higher spec fiestas of the same age, there will be a tilt switch located where the bootlid travels through the biggest arc. Though on the fiesta this was a single wire switched earth. 

What purpose would it serve on a car with basic electronics and no traction / stability control?

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6 hours ago, Peter C said:

Mate, an L spec Sierra didn't come with such luxuries! 

OK, fair enough, but it looks like the wires go to the boot lock from your pic. Is there a warning lamp on the dash for 'boot open'?

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6 hours ago, adw1977 said:

To activate the boot light?

Until this morning, I've never heard of a tilt switch. I assumed, incorrectly, that is would be something that a mid-drift Nissan Skyline would need to prevent it from flipping over. But you're right, I now understand what a tilt switch is and you are probably right, it is there to activate the luggage compartment light.

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1 hour ago, High Jetter said:

OK, fair enough, but it looks like the wires go to the boot lock from your pic. Is there a warning lamp on the dash for 'boot open'?

Nope.

I think I now understand that the wires serve a tilt switch, which activates the luggage compartment light.

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  • Peter C changed the title to 1987 Ford Sierra Sapphire 1.8L - Did the engine start? see page 16
9 minutes ago, High Jetter said:

I think that, despite initial misgivings, you're enjoying this?

The weather is awful and I wouldn’t want to drive the Sierra this time of year so spending time in my workshop fiddling is a fine way to pass the time, especially as most things have worked out ok and I am making good progress.

I plan on taking the Sierra out for its maiden voyage on the 1st of April, which gives me enough time to complete the outstanding repairs.

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4 minutes ago, jim89 said:

Fate tempted.... 🙂

I bet it will piss down on the 1st of April and I won’t even leave the house. With all the cleaning and rust proofing I’m doing, I’m not getting the Sierra dirty by going out in the rain. I know how lame that sounds.

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1 minute ago, Peter C said:

I bet it will piss down on the 1st of April and I won’t even leave the house. With all the cleaning and rust proofing I’m doing, I’m not getting the Sierra dirty by going out in the rain. I know how lame that sounds.

Doesn't sound lame to me.  As an ex Sierra owner, it just sounds sensible.

Do you know if this is a Dagenham Sierra - with an SFA VIN or a Belgian one?  Just wondering.  The number of Dagenham ones left must be tiny.

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57 minutes ago, robt100 said:

Most key cut places should still be able to do them👍

And if you can find a proper old-school key cutting place, they may even have one of these genuine leather fobs still hanging on a little carousel display by the till...

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Great to see all the work that's been done here, and the excellent results so far achieved.

More power to your elbow.

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5 minutes ago, Peter C said:

Why?

Were not many produced in Dagenham? 

I think they made loads but there's a general consensus that they went a lot more rusty than the Belgian ones.  I think that generally the Belgian ones were the GL and Ghia but I'm not certain and it is probably a generalisation.  In my opinion you have an amazing survivor.  

I remember when I took mine, a Belgian GL Mk1 for an MOT, the examiner came out from underneath and asked why it wasn't rusty.  

Dagenham stopped making Sierras sometime around 88 or 89 I think, then they all came from Belgium.  

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On 05/03/2024 at 08:07, High Jetter said:

I wasn't joking! Some hatch & booted Sierras had them.

My hatch has a cable boot release, were there really electric ones?  Seems a bit decadent for an 80s Ford.

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On 05/03/2024 at 16:11, Peter C said:

Until this morning, I've never heard of a tilt switch. I assumed, incorrectly, that is would be something that a mid-drift Nissan Skyline would need to prevent it from flipping over. But you're right, I now understand what a tilt switch is and you are probably right, it is there to activate the luggage compartment light.

Useless fact: tilt switches like these were the favoured method of triggering car bombs back in the 70s/80s.

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VIN talk sent me off trying to find mine, I didn't find it, but did find the invoice for when my dad bought the car from Godfrey Davis at 3 years old and 51k on the clock (later sold to me). It was a massive upgrade on our previous family car - MK2 Escort which we'd had since 1980.

£5,795.

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19 hours ago, robt100 said:

Just catching up on this, some great progress!
As for the spare key front, it should just be a standard TX key for that era Ford. Most key cut places should still be able to do them👍

TX keys were on earlier Ford’s, the Sapphire had the fancy new Chubb locks as below

https://www.rarespares.net.au/rarespares/buy/f2524/key-blank-ford-xf-xg-xh-ea-eb-ed-ef-el-au-to-0599

I remember swapping a few passenger side to driver side door barrels in these as after a few years use the barrels failed and you could not get in, unlike the TX locks which you could open with anything when they become worn.

My dad had an E reg Escort company car which the company extended the lease on, by 4 years old both the driver side and passenger side locks had failed and we had to climb through the hatch to get in. My dad was not impressed by this and the car went back, we had a hired 405 until his new Orion arrived.

Edited to include a better option:

Looks like I was wrong, these are Tibbe which in turn were replaced by Chubb.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116079506736?itmmeta=01HRD12XH23NK07P6RGKCFPJXB&hash=item1b06e0b530:g:dzMAAOSwjcJhEXYD&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8IvMHye1MdR9vaQFYFRyQfQrfctWAHvlehtu4XQEU1n8YX1QMNLeEIAabDQxfkZoHFFV1erFWks7ydA6apYnX2KormkiarX4CgsI8x5%2FpGhe2TAQ3GoXPKoSmP%2BkXI62A1ZQtrn%2BqSneQSQSNF1aiOqyw%2FyEPVxG7ALvbqwLsgDM1WfZCEc3Xo6ezxNGisn9u%2BWMQGX67qneKkqlXxUjBdt0npIgBsgjNL2dy9fDU9KDqO3v0rqHvBnv%2FPMDQrVlTsg5rZTVaDXh2faSlIG3f1o1qH%2FHatY5nMKpnsazbZovftoGo%2FgpPoq3CpBkZ4GKKg%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR87Yi6HDYw

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1 hour ago, Shite Ron said:

TX keys were on earlier Ford’s, the Sapphire had the fancy new Chubb locks as below

 

Must have been facelift only, as im pretty sure the 1982 Sierra we had was TX key, but you may be right about the 1985 Sierra we had, got a feeling that was the newer type. Then again, facelift was 87........I know one had the square lights with the slatted grill, and the later one had the solid front with the wider lights.

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