♻️ Grizz’s ~~ ASTRO Van 🚙 Renault SCENIC 1.5dci 🚙 1966 Chevy C10 🚘 1991 Oldsmobile 88 🚙 8/5/26 FORGIVE ME I HAVE SINNED

[Westbay]

How are you fitting these rims ? pcd adapters or what? the pcd of your car is 'bigger' than the pcd of the rims your looking at ... if itwas other way around you possibly could use wobble nuts/bolts.

If/When you fit the pcd adapters it will a) move the wheel away from the strut and b) increase the amount of wheel towards the outside edge of the wheel arch (or beyond - wheel arch extensions - opening rear doors 🤔)   🤔  ... and then there's the maching of the centre bores ...

 

or

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/127353166588?_skw=5x115+alloy+wheels+17&itmmeta=01KDZ0K1726TWV54GN7DH85YG5&hash=item1da6d71afc:g:KbcAAeSwlnJous01&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1e%2FbYPqwB8%2BZOKunYWx0zDjSgWEohbpw2pFWxapu5NFP8xAOlaxLpSf%2BKgtaJ%2FuVV5FgOU6uNt5YONta0yXvtRUmraHDpwrEcLFYl6IzGGbT9yz6AQvqZu9H3JIz0lgYa4zuGV%2FK1LVjCnR18WLkYZOKINfY9Uw0AmWadXcaTWK%2F1sh%2B1kacComtE0PNQKWSZqX9ieDhISNG8Wy7s25wxgkigGQqbiYFDLZjxkYkfQ9QHYMDe1hDjHiT5yhE7S1WeYWcdceQhhR5C6gQW6RGH4tLIfMAzrSlJNQhpKpsy4iuQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9qTzODvZg

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/277389160052?_skw=5x115+alloy+wheels+17&itmmeta=01KDZ0K172V68XMYJFRDZWGM43&hash=item4095aeae74:g:UBsAAeSwL6Voy83n&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1fpWv33uiQypiVBsS05VU061JQmW0hYoyq4SNNfbAl7QU3TbBKevh4tWCGXXpX9YGEPyLHCf6aJYAZECjaAHAsJa%2FMQbh1FrYA7ml6oSdexV1UUMzsMLvgzjmRS7Ehp%2BbFEqIqzvi6fgWdQ2CR7O7NeCzoBEJwf5k6Cy65ztLO96MFgfuJjZqyDOaun4o0FjjQXdunjMqua6958uMu5LrwMz9nBhiVNy5OvFHXQmKb3kWAUxtGDHlLrtwQRepoL888%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9qTzODvZg

[grizz]

28 minutes ago, Westbay said:

How are you fitting these rims ? pcd adapters or what? the pcd of your car is 'bigger' than the pcd of the rims your looking at ... if itwas other way around you possibly could use wobble nuts/bolts.

If/When you fit the pcd adapters it will a) move the wheel away from the strut and b) increase the amount of wheel towards the outside edge of the wheel arch (or beyond - wheel arch extensions - opening rear doors 🤔)   🤔  ... and then there's the maching of the centre bores ...

 

Just bolted on. 
 

I believe wobble bolts will do it. 
 

Explain to me why not to consider that. 
 

If I found super cheap (like £10.00 each)  5x115 adapters to something else with better options…… I would consider that. 
 

You may be right, and this is in no way a criticism of your knowledge and concern.  But I need solutions and possibly some stupid gung ho attitude. 

[Westbay]

err, thought I did explain it .... and I think you have nuts rather than bolts ... M12x1.5 ...

 

I have 'offered' a gung ho solution - get vauxhall wheels and machine the centre bore  🤣

[grizz]

1 hour ago, Westbay said:

err, thought I did explain it .... and I think you have nuts rather than bolts ... M12x1.5 ...

 

I have 'offered' a gung ho solution - get vauxhall wheels and machine the centre bore  🤣

 

Thank you as always Tony for your responses and patience (which, admittedly, I often test) 

Wheel Pics for @GlenAnderson and @Rustybullethole

 

Plus 45 minutes on the phone to discuss further my pitfalls, obstacles and challenges on this “build” 

I took apart one of the wheels just to understand how the wheel nuts and hubcaps interact. 
 

You will see the hubcap actually has plastic domed nuts holding it down. Threaded around the wheel nuts. 
Also, the protrusion in the centre under it all. 
 

I have realised that I am going to need 5x115 to 5x114.3 adapters that would also act as spacers. 

I certainly still want to go with the three spoke wheels. 

I would think it’s highly unlikely that someone in the UK would have a set of 4 adapters to get me to 5x114.3 

My crazy non engineering head has also asked me the question whether one could widen the hub facing bores on a set of 5x114.3 spacers to fit the 5x115 hubs and then delivering the desired PCD of 5x114.3 to take those Mk1 Freelander wheels. 
 

Feedback, input, advice and donations accepted. 
 

 

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[93fxdl]

https://www.chargerforums.com/threads/bolt-pattern-dilemma-5x114-3-vs-5x115.386334/

The amount of difference is less than most production tolerances 

If the wheels are hub centric then all the bolts do is hold the wheel against the hub

If they are bolt centric, then they locate the wheel and hold it against the hub 

0.35 mm out is such an insignificant amount compared to how round the wheel and the tyre are, I cannot see any problems arising provided the center bore is good and the bolts are tight

Or

In adenoid voice

Nuns and kittens will die if they were right the factory would fit them. Etc etc etc

Ttfn glenn 

[Christine]

12 x 1.5  you say  , eh ?   Race car tuner nuts !   Cheep! 

 

I was waiting for a cheap Subaru P1 to pop up  ....but that'll never happen now  

 

 

[grizz]

39 minutes ago, 93fxdl said:

https://www.chargerforums.com/threads/bolt-pattern-dilemma-5x114-3-vs-5x115.386334/

The amount of difference is less than most production tolerances 

If the wheels are hub centric then all the bolts do is hold the wheel against the hub

If they are bolt centric, then they locate the wheel and hold it against the hub 

0.35 mm out is such an insignificant amount compared to how round the wheel and the tyre are, I cannot see any problems arising provided the center bore is good and the bolts are tight

Or

In adenoid voice

Nuns and kittens will die if they were right the factory would fit them. Etc etc etc

Ttfn glenn 

 

So with two sides and opinions…….

 I am at a loss, as to what to do. 

[grizz]

8 minutes ago, Christine said:

12 x 1.5  you say  , eh ?   Race car tuner nuts !   Cheep! 

 

I was waiting for a cheap Subaru P1 to pop up  ....but that'll never happen now  

 

 

Pretty things. 
 

I have never seen that style of “Torx”

 

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[Christine]

Penny washers...

[Christine]

Not torx  , triple square , like VW .

[kevins]

I'd suggest  to get the wheel hole/taper machined 0.35mm off centre and a little deeper then if need be a similar amount off the end of the nuts to make sure they can't bottom out (could be done by hand).  You'd have a slightly slotted hole but perfectly centred taper which is where the nut bears.

Even .35mm off would put a lot of bending load into the studs.

[Westbay]

😂

[grizz]

1 hour ago, Westbay said:

😂

You guys  have all lost me now. 
 

Maybe I was lost already. 

[GlenAnderson]

I’d just throw the trims away and paint those steel wheels…

I’ve never really “got” the whole wheels as decorative itemsthing. They’re for holding the tyre on the car. You can’t see them from the driver’s seat, or tell what they look like when they’re going around…

… but then, look at what I daily. 🤣

[Brigsy]

Stick with the steels if you cant find the correct pcd/fitment. Nothing worse than a set of dodgy fitted wheels imo, i need confidence that they are on correctly.

[grizz]

Time to start spending money.
 

Of course the Oldsmobile has behaved impeccably till 1st January 2026 

At least it had got me home 260 miles at 33mpg on old years eve. 
 

Seller had told me is sometimes would struggle to start, clicking a couple of times before it fired up  

I was not bothered by this  

Also, car came with an old used starter in a new box  one assumes it was replaced before  I have not looked under the car  

So when I couldn’t start it on Thursday, I got the multimeter out…. 11.3 volts. Jumpers got it going instantly. Problem temporarily solved  

This morning, -2’C and now about 3’c bonnet still frosted over…… the reading is 11.84 volts. 
 

AND………..

It is a Lion battery. 
We discussed them before. 
So would the agreement be that one needs a replacement for the car? 
 

While we’re spending money…..

Front tyres 

They look a bit (very)iffy on the edges. 
So I will see about finding and fitting a pair of part worns because I will be changing the wheels outright to alloys. 
Obviously alignment etc needs setting too. 
We’ll get that done. 
 

Still not washed the car. 
 

Because COLD. 
 

Not Alaska cold, Not Scotland cold, just Kent cold. 
 

Soon. 

[grizz]

12 minutes ago, Brigsy said:

Stick with the steels if you cant find the correct pcd/fitment. Nothing worse than a set of dodgy fitted wheels imo, i need confidence that they are on correctly.

Also…… like drink driving…. Fine till you run over a three year old 

I am partially neurotic, partially sensible and yet like to seek alternatives. 
 

Hence not yet committing to anything except new tyres. 
 

I must say…… 

These 22” wheels immediately screamed at me to go a different direction and build a car called “The Aztec”

No, not the one in Breaking Bad 😉

[grizz]

21 minutes ago, GlenAnderson said:

I’d just throw the trims away and paint those steel wheels…

I’ve never really “got” the whole wheels as decorative itemsthing. They’re for holding the tyre on the car. You can’t see them from the driver’s seat, or tell what they look like when they’re going around…

… but then, look at what I daily. 🤣

Absolutely. 
 

And you do it of your own free will. 
 

 

[ruffgeezer]

Something like these would go straight on I believe.

https://ebay.us/m/MJtuks

[grizz]

6 minutes ago, ruffgeezer said:

Something like these would go straight on I believe.

https://ebay.us/m/MJtuks

I know 300c wheels fit, as do some Scenic mk3 and also Renault Trafic wheels. 
 

Not sure about offsets etc The Oldsmobile is a 47mm offset  

 

And then there are the wheel nuts and centre bore to consider. 
 

Oldsmobile is 70.3 mm C/B 

 

Those wheels and tyres are great, but a long way off from Rochester, Kent. 

[ruffgeezer]

https://ebay.us/m/7vkKt6

 

300C is 30 offset, 14x1.5 bolt.

[grizz]

17 minutes ago, ruffgeezer said:

https://ebay.us/m/7vkKt6

 

300C is 30 offset, 14x1.5 bolt.

And Olds runs nuts. 
 

Confused.com now.  

[Rustybullethole]

On 02/01/2026 at 12:16, grizz said:

 

Thank you as always Tony for your responses and patience (which, admittedly, I often test) 

Wheel Pics for @GlenAnderson and @Rustybullethole

 

Plus 45 minutes on the phone to discuss further my pitfalls, obstacles and challenges on this “build” 

I took apart one of the wheels just to understand how the wheel nuts and hubcaps interact. 
 

You will see the hubcap actually has plastic domed nuts holding it down. Threaded around the wheel nuts. 
Also, the protrusion in the centre under it all. 
 

I have realised that I am going to need 5x115 to 5x114.3 adapters that would also act as spacers. 

I certainly still want to go with the three spoke wheels. 

I would think it’s highly unlikely that someone in the UK would have a set of 4 adapters to get me to 5x114.3 

My crazy non engineering head has also asked me the question whether one could widen the hub facing bores on a set of 5x114.3 spacers to fit the 5x115 hubs and then delivering the desired PCD of 5x114.3 to take those Mk1 Freelander wheels. 
 

Feedback, input, advice and donations accepted. 
 

 

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Pair of front hoops and roll is what id do if it were mine. I wish it was though alas it's not. As you were.

 

[grizz]

25 minutes ago, Rustybullethole said:

Pair of front hoops and roll is what id do if it were mine. I wish it was though alas it's not. As you were.

 

Front hoops? 

[Rustybullethole]

14 minutes ago, grizz said:

Front hoops? 

I specifically didn't involved in the will they fit debate with my 2p to avoid further confusion and added confusion all the same! 

These past best rubber hoops.

[grizz]

27 minutes ago, Rustybullethole said:

I specifically didn't involved in the will they fit debate with my 2p to avoid further confusion and added confusion all the same! 

These past best rubber hoops.

 

I will write up today’s shopping later. 
 

You and I both happy. 

[Zelandeth]

Please for the love of puppies just don't take anything quoted by any AI shit to be gospel.  Especially if you're buying anything rather than just floating ideas.

It's very good at sounding very confident in quoting total nonsense. 

It couldn't even get the pin out of a 6502 microprocessor right when I was looking for a diagram not long ago...if it can't get that right, sod trusting it for anything car related - especially where there's a safety aspect.  

Find a datasheet or find someone who has one.  Don't just trust AI.  It's about as good as asking someone you half know down the pub who you think worked in a relevant field.  It might be right, or it might be spouting some utter tripe.

[grizz]

26 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

Please for the love of puppies just don't take anything quoted by any AI shit to be gospel.  Especially if you're buying anything rather than just floating ideas.

It's very good at sounding very confident in quoting total nonsense. 

It couldn't even get the pin out of a 6502 microprocessor right when I was looking for a diagram not long ago...if it can't get that right, sod trusting it for anything car related - especially where there's a safety aspect.  

Find a datasheet or find someone who has one.  Don't just trust AI.  It's about as good as asking someone you half know down the pub who you think worked in a relevant field.  It might be right, or it might be spouting some utter tripe.

I am not sure which of my multiple AI responses you are referring to. 
 

But……

 

Good point. 
 

After all, I do have this. 
 

Maybe rely more on printed fact 

[bezzabsa]

different nuts, painted rims and dog dish style hubcaps - Job done!!!!

are Vauxhall 5 stud wheels from a Carlton or such the right fit???? 

[grizz]

So my shopping trip included the following. 
 

Though I must say, I need to go check some basics tomorrow, before I even think of mounting the battery. 
 

Does the alternator push through current? 
 

But,? Did buy an upgraded spec battery for £111.00 or $150.00

Better Ah and CCA 

 

Another job to do is to make that royal cockup on the battery cables where some dumbass changed them from side mount to top mount using electrical tape and snot or prayer  not impressed. This would have been done by a shop for an unsuspecting customer I suspect  

 

After the battery buying I headed to a tyre/tire shop to ask about buying and fitting some part worn tyres. 
 

First and second shops just flat refused. 
But the second shop guy, after I kept chatting and explaining that I needed a shorter term solution, referred me to a guy up on the hill who runs a small garage and tyre shop from a single car lift premises. 
He advertises 14” part worns for £25.00 or $34.00 fitted, 15” for £30.00  or $40.00 fitted. Etc. 
So I showed him my tyres. 205/70R15 which he had none of. He said it’s not a common size. Sales talk?? 
After some rummaging around he returned and offered me a pair of new, unused Continental Eco Sports for £40.00  or $54.00 each, fitted, balanced and disposing of the old tyres. 
 

I agreed and he took my car straight in. 
Less than 30 minutes later I was on my way. 
 

Car certainly feels more planted on the road. 

When I got home I checked online for tyre prices. See screenshot. I think we did OK today. 
 

While I could have carried on with those tyres, I would rip your head off if you killed my cat, dog, kid due to racing slicks being fitted. 
 

I decided to remove the ugly plastic wheel trims while I was on a roll 

No, it doesn’t look any better bt I prefer the shonky Hoopty look that goes with dead and missing paint. 
 

Tomorrow, weather permitting I will check out electricals  

 

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