so the scrappage fuego pics.

[Rusty Pelican]

Fiatdafts only trying to make a living and keep his job , aint too many of those about at the mo , still shocking to see though , such a waste , customers choice , he had the money and he can spend it on what he likes ,Customers made the FUGGING WRONG CHOICE IMO , twat

[garbaldy]

well would you rather not see a pic of an interesting car,we like pics of cars rotting into the ground and the owners will not sell,i think thats worse.

oh i love pics off cars infact my pc is full to bursting point with pics off cars but thats not the point.The point is you are virtually gloating about it i would have kept quite so as not to alert my fellow members off what i had condemned to the grave

[Renault18]

btw the car is not as nice as it looks.

Undoubtedly there's probably a host of issues with the car that are waiting for a lot of money to be spent - and given that parts for Fuegos are not quite as easy as some other models (not all Fuego stuff is interchangable with the R18, despite what people think) it probably seemed like the right move to the owner.Aside from the fact that I hate the Corsa, the fact that seems to be getting to everyone - and rightly so - is the fact that somebody would have probably been interested in saving this Fuego. I'm sorry, but the Corsa that replaced it will not be around 30 years down the line - in exactly the same way that few Fuegos remain 30 years on - but at least the Fuego deserved a chance. This Fuego was an un-named Special Edition only available in black with the gold stripe. The R18 American style alloys have been swapped for steels and the original interior has been replaced by a later Turbo one. Most Fuegos around are utter dogs - and this one may not be any good - but even from the pics, this one is certainly better than a lot I've seen - original front wings and rear arches testify to this.One day all interesting cars will be gone

[Guest]

FD, I'm not going to stick the boot in (I know this is your job and all, and at least you took some pictures) but 10.2 large is a hell of a lot of money for a new 3 pot Corsa. Is this right? You could get an 18 month old Focus \ Megane \ C4 for that! Although this bloke's daughter would have a job getting insured on one of those. Just doesn't seem good VFM, not too bad with the scrappage discount though.Arrgh. I'm at best ambivalent about this. Where did the 'extra' 2k come from? Were there extra dealer incentives?

[fiatdaft]

ffs the list price is correct,yes we do dealer incentives,btw if it wasn't my corsa it would have been a matiz ,picanto etc.

[garbaldy]

ffs the list price is correct,yes we do dealer incentives,btw if it wasn.t my corsa it would have been a matiz ,picanto etc.

Yes that is very true i suppose sorry for sounding a bit off with you but scrapage just boils my blood

[Guest]

tw if it wasn.t my corsa it would have been a matiz ,picanto etc.

I know, and I'm not having a go at you for that. It's your job and I do not begrudge you making a living in the slightest. It was the owner's choice at the end of the day.I'm sorry I asked about the list price, it seems I'm WAY out of touch with what new small cars go for these days.........

[fiatdaft]

my money would be on a grande punto sporting ,but nice choice on the 100hp,any if you don't want to see any pics of anymore interesting cars,i won't post them if you want,and can remove these ones.see the bin liner on the seat? tha was to sit on as the leaky aftermarket sunroof made it not a nice place to be inside.alloys are on his boat trailer now and he swapped the battery for a dud,he didn't really care for the car.

[Barry Cade]

Half a tank in it too... gotta be worth a few hundred quid that? Ah well, the scrapper is destined to chug about in a horrible little appliance with a cylinder missing for a few years, that'll teach him.I feel your predicament Fiatdaft, I feel bad every time I put a hole in a sill in a shiter,gotta seperate work from non-work at times... a man's gotta do....

[garbaldy]

It was the owner's choice at the end of the day.

your right and said owner wants slapped silly with a slimey kipper [

[Richard]

Once a car has been vandalised with an aftermarket sunroof there's no way back anyway.

[Milford Cubicle]

btw the car is not as nice as it looks.

It doesn't look that nice, it looks a wee bit neglected, but hasn't it just passed an MOT?

[Mr Lobster]

Really is a shame but don't blame FD, he's just earning a living same as anyone else. If the dealer isn't interested in saving it (and knowing who FD works for then they won't be) then what is he supposed to do? To the owner it is just an old car that he doesn't want and is in the way. He could sell it for maybe £1k, but then if he can get £2-3k trading it in then surely thats what he will do isn't it? From a none enthusiast point of view then thats the best option for him. He doesn't want the Fuego, doesn't need it and doesn't care what happens to it, he just wants the best result for his money. I'm not defending scrapping it at all, but if it works out best financially for the owner then thats what hes bound to do. Yes its wasteful and a 1.0 Corsa Life in White is perhaps one of the least desirable things on the road but if thats what he wants....Its a massive shame to see it scrapped but unless someone is willing to pay £2k or whatever for it then thats the way its going to be sadly. If it ends up at UPI then at least someone should be able to get a good parts haul from it. I'm fed up of seeing scrappage stuff like this, it's depressing and I'll be glad once we get to February and its all over.

[Ratdat]

There's far more old cars that die in the hands of enthusiasts than have gone via scrappage. Many times, I have seen old cars in a scrappy complete with an owners club sticker in the window and how many of the unfinished projects that you see for sale ever get bought and finished? It's not worth getting worked up about.

[Mr Lobster]

Very true. The other thing that occurs is that Lankytim is trying to shift his R21 Monaco for £100. Nobody wants it so it will end up getting scrapped despite having been on here, RR and possibly anywhere else.R21 Monaco is very probably far rarer than the Fuego but theres no rush to save that is there.A lot of old and rare cars do get scrapped, sometimes needlessly. The scrappage scheme has intensified this process though and highlighted it. If the owner had left it festering away in its garage for another five years and then when it was totally rotten had it dragged out and scrapped it that would have been even worse. At least this way some parts can be reused.

[brammy777]

Lets be fair, fiatdaft was only doing his job. It may be heart wrenching to see classic cars go to the scrapheap, but its death warrant was signed by its owner and not the dealer. Lets not forget, dealers can promote the scheme all the want, but at the end of the day, its the owners decision. And as Ratdat said, it comes down to the owner. Nothing more, nothing less. If the scrappage scheme didnt exist, the car may still exist, but you have to question the motives of a man whod willingly scrap a car hes had so long............And as for that Renault 21, id take it on if i was closer and had more skills, i dont want to ruin a car that rare.

[Spottedlaurel]

There's far more old cars that die in the hands of enthusiasts than have gone via scrappage. Many times, I have seen old cars in a scrappy complete with an owners club sticker in the window and how many of the unfinished projects that you see for sale ever get bought and finished? It's not worth getting worked up about.

I’m in 100% agreement with this, and Mr Lobster’s comments in his post.I don’t like the scheme, and it’s sad about some of the stuff that has been scrapped through it, but used car values in the UK are pitifully low and it’s desperately difficult to sell stuff on. The R21 is an excellent example, and I know that I’d have to sell my Bluebird for peanuts if I absolutely had to get rid of it despite its extraordinarily good condition.To most people cars are just appliances, a tool to allow them to get on with their own version of everyday life. If I get rid of a toaster or a kettle it just goes to the local recycling place, yet doubtless somewhere there is a collector of old electrical appliances who gets thoroughly annoyed by that.Leaving aside views on the reliability of new cars, even the most staunch shiter on here would admit that running an older can sometimes be a pain. Given also the difficulty of selling a car on (something that has been aired here before) then it’s easy to see why people take advantage of the scheme.In an ideal world we’d have let the new car market fend for itself, labour rates for getting work done would be lower and/or used car values would be higher thus encouraging people to hang onto things, but that’s not how things are is it?

[garbaldy]

What really gets me is what a salesman will do to get that sale,my brother has bought a new vehicle and i was tasked with selling his old motor which he had owned for 8 months as a stop gap,He didnt want to see such a clean old motor scrapped so it was sold for the pricelly sum off £650 with 2 months T&T.now before it was sold he tried to trade it in but was only offered £300 notes for it the salesman however tried his hardest to persuade him to scrappage it but its to new for that and i havent owned it for long enough my brother replied, salesman oh that doesnt matter we have ways around that we have done it loads off times:shock: so in the end i sold his motor and he got a fair bit off his new vehicle at a different dealer as he had no trade in,now im not saying that fd did the hard sell thing or did anything ilegal but some dealers are blatently defrauding the system and are probably the main culprits for disposing off clean old cars.

[Mash]

I echo the sentiments of those who have stood up for FD - you can't expect him to resign from his job just because of the scrappage scheme. And yes I'm shocked at the list prices of new cars but we all know that in many cases the prices were hiked up for the scheme so the amazing deal the buyer thinks he's getting is not as good as it sounds. I suspect before scrappage he could have bought the Corsa for the same price he paid now with the scheme....the difference is that the Fuego has gone with it - ergo, the scheme is a resounding success It's annoying to see these cars go to waste but no-one can seriously expect to come up with £3K for a car of that age and condition - you'd struggle to sell a minter for that value.Scrappage annoys me greatly - I've missed out on a sweet little Starlet because of it but there'll be others out there. It's definitely taking some nice older cars, I agree but a scan of CCW or eBay will turn up plenty of others to choose from - the simple matter is that there are more cars than people who want them and lots of numpties who like small Korean blobs and can't see past the carrot dangled in front of their noses.All we can do is hope some get saved along the way

[retro80sboy]

thats a very sad sight for such a rare car. :(makes me more determined to buy another classic today!must be terrible for classic car fans who work as salesmen in dealerships seeing these old motors come in destined for the crusher.I once went for a job at a BMW dealership in Chester as a MINI salesman a few years ago - so glad now I didnt get the job as I wouldnt have been able to stand it, seeing what classics the numptys are binning

[Mr Lobster]

The number of 'classics' being scrapped under the scheme is relatively low. From what I've seen the majority is mid to late '90's stuff that is within a year or two of being scrapped anyway.

[brammy777]

I agree with Lobster, its mostly 90s stuff being binned, the amount of vectras and last generation escorts around here has gone down alot, as has mkIII astras. Also, not forgetting Rover 45s, mkIII 200s, and 3rd generation golfs. In fact there is more MKII golfs around here now!

[AnthonyG]

Once a car has been vandalised with an aftermarket sunroof there's no way back anyway.

That is very true. A friend with an early 1970s Volvo 144 has been driven mad by this, the car is leaking constantly, despite all types of attempting a solution, and will probably end up being broken for spares.Weren' t Fuegos actually quite crap, BTW? (Expects to get flamed )

[Ratdat]

Once a car has been vandalised with an aftermarket sunroof there's no way back anyway.

That is very true. A friend with an early 1970s Volvo 144 has been driven mad by this, the car is leaking constantly, despite all types of attempting a solution, and will probably end up being broken for spares.Weren' t Fuegos actually quite crap, BTW? (Expects to get flamed )

I had a Datsun 280C with a nasty glass sunroof fitted so I replaced it with a full length Webasto I bought s/h. Never had any issue with leaks and it looked the part too.

[MrRegieRitmo]

Weren' t Fuegos actually quite crap, BTW? (Expects to get flamed )

No worse than anything else of the period surely?!

[CortinaDave]

If it turns up at upullit then its good news, as it can be stripped of parts. No doubt scrappylad will let us know if it shows up there. If it goes to another yard it was probably be cubed straight away.

[Cavcraft]

You can't knock the sealesman for offering £350 for a £600 car as they have to try and get something out of the deal.There's no main/large dealer I've ever met who'd go anywhere near a car for a £250 profit as by the time it's been prepared for sale it would have swallowed that tight profit margin. I would suspect the £300 offer was bottom CAP price at the auction to be honestThey (salesmen) might even be told they have to take Scrappage Scheme cars in only if older than a certain age so is under pressure from the off.I'm also siding with FD here: he's doing his job which he's been asked to do. I can't imagine he'll either make much comission or stay in his job too long if he tried to persaude everyone bringing a part-ex in not to use Scrappage Scheme.Can everyone who uses this forum say they've never scrapped a car or had parts off one that could have been saved?I've binned absolutely loads of 'retro' cars because I couldn't sell them on even at same price as weigh in and I doubt anyone else would keep hold of a car for months on end in the hope they can get a buyer when it's quite often the case there's more money in the weigh in, just as LankyTim will undoutably know with his Renault.You can't save 'em all and we shouldn't be knocking people for doing what their bosses pay them to do.

[RENOMAD]

Granted, everybody has to do the job that they were paid to do,,and,,noby in their right mind would give 3K for that Fuego,,but anybody who has any feeling for old shite(,,and I know that most main dealers couldnt give a shite,,) should try to save stuff like this. There was a Government Scrappage scheme over here in the early 90's which cleared a lot of 70/80s cars. Most of that stuff is now the cars that we long to get and indeed most of it is now sourced in the UK. Please dont let it happen On the other hand,,that Fuego has a few incorrect details as Mr. Renault 18 Pointed Out....I personally think that it is a facelifted Fuego from '83 onwards judging by the Flarings infront of the rear wheels and the silver strip between the Front doors and rear windows, which would make the Interior Correct,,but the front bumper and grill would then be incorrect so this one seems to be a bit of a missmatch I could be wrong --sorry for the anorack moment :oops:Oh yeah,,Green tinted glass in back,bronze in front . mmmmm

[CortinaDave]

I've saved a few cortinas only to find out that less than a year later someone else has weighed them in anyway.One that really annoyed me was a very very tidy '82 crusader that I rescued from the drive of a local family who had inherited after the old boy owner died.Full Ford History, serviced every 6 months regardless of miles and sat on 43k. Had been left in a damp garage for the last couple of years so needed some minor welding but overall it was very very good.Sold it on cheaply and the bloke that got it gave it a satin black paint job, then he passed it on to a guy who broke it for parts because it needed a patch on the seatbelt mount. Wish I'd just let the old boys family keep it.Also a mk4 GL i saved from the banger track, got it roadworthy and sold it at a loss to a bloke who kept it six months then raced it anyway. So i quickly realised theres very little point in "Saving" cars.

[garbaldy]

You can't knock the sealesman for offering £350 for a £600 car as they have to try and get something out of the deal.There's no main/large dealer I've ever met who'd go anywhere near a car for a £250 profit as by the time it's been prepared for sale it would have swallowed that tight profit margin. I would suspect the £300 offer was bottom CAP price at the auction to be honest.

no your right if the car was acctually worth only £600.he was offered £300 trade in but trade value on the book was £1285 i sold it for £650 for a quick sale to a local dealer who had it on his lot for £1495 and sold it within the month.there was more than enough profit in the car to make any salesman happy but instead he was trying hard to push scrapage even though the car was to new and that he had only owned it for 8 months.that was the strange part if you ask me Do they have targets or something for scrapage