project Invacar MK12 - New owner Mrs 6Cyl

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I guess my overall plan is to try and do low cost or free fixes first. I'm planning to try and free off the wheels on Sunday with some help from an AS regular, but in the interim - worth researching what else I might need.

 

Although I'm trying not to spend £200 on parts before I find out it is a dead loss

 

Oh, and I have sent a facebook message re: the VIN to the ICR - they haven't read it yet, but you never know...

[lanciamatt]

A small chassis number like that will not work right on hpi, as it will think your only putting a partial chassis in, I'll check again on Monday and see if multiple vehicles come up or something

[coalnotdole]

A small chassis number like that will not work right on hpi, as it will think your only putting a partial chassis in, I'll check again on Monday and see if multiple vehicles come up or something

I would expect there to be a manufacturer prefix that needs to be added? For instance I believe AC is "BEX"? Or Reliant is "SCD" which is then followed by the chassis number.

 

This system allows each manufacturer to use the same series of chassis numbers but still be identifiable at the dvla's end.

 

I have no idea what the prefix for Invacar ltd is however!

 

Get a fellow invacar owner to check what's at the start of the chassis number on there V5?

 

Dave

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Here's an exploded diagram of the Carb (S25) I think. Villers Services do a refurb service from £15 upwards. That's probably going to be worth the investment...

 

 

 

 

[LightBulbFun]

Here's an exploded diagram of the Carb (S25) I think. Villers Services do a refurb service from £15 upwards. That's probably going to be worth the investment...

 

 

probs not a bad idea considering how much they seem to go for on ebay! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/132932094096 Eeek!

 

I would expect there to be a manufacturer prefix that needs to be added? For instance I believe AC is "BEX"? Or Reliant is "SCD" which is then followed by the chassis number.

 

This system allows each manufacturer to use the same series of chassis numbers but still be identifiable at the dvla's end.

 

I have no idea what the prefix for Invacar ltd is however!

 

Get a fellow invacar owner to check what's at the start of the chassis number on there V5?

 

Dave

 

interesting I wonder if theres an alphabetical look up table somewhere?

[sierraman]

What was it doing in a tree?

[LightBulbFun]

What was it doing in a tree?

 

stunt double for a harry potter film? 

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probs not a bad idea considering how much they seem to go for on ebay! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/132932094096 Eeek!

 

Yes, I think a rebuild is a no brainer - it either helps the invacar run better, or in the worst case scenario, can be re-sold separately. I'd obviously get a new air filter too.

 

Edit: complete new air filter is £24, so I'd think about that a bit more first!  https://villiersservices.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8_85&products_id=651

 

Edit again: the filter element only is £10.80 https://villiersservices.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=652

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What was it doing in a tree?

 

trick image...actually more like this...

 

[Christine]

By the time you've read my book , you'll be fibreglassing the floor and making the first amphibious invacar sailed in Herne Bay ..its posted

[LightBulbFun]

Yes, I think a rebuild is a no brainer - it either helps the invacar run better, or in the worst case scenario, can be re-sold separately. I'd obviously get a new air filter too.

 

Edit: complete new air filter is £24, so I'd think about that a bit more first!  https://villiersservices.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8_85&products_id=651

 

Edit again: the filter element only is £10.80 https://villiersservices.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=652

 

probably is worth seeing what health the engine is in before splurging a load of money on carb bits

 

gravity fed Fuel system etc so at least a duff fuel pump wont be an issue just have to find some 2 stroke oil or premix 

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By the time you've read my book , you'll be fibreglassing the floor and making the first amphibious invacar sailed in Herne Bay ..its posted

 

Thanks for that. I'm also going to put a couple of feelers out to firms that specialise in plastic car repairs. When they come back and say it will be two grand for your a-pillar mister, I'll probably be more motivated

[dollywobbler]

Chassis number on mine starts INV then some numbers. Though it's on the logbook as 1NV...

[LightBulbFun]

Thanks for that. I'm also going to put a couple of feelers out to firms that specialise in plastic car repairs. When they come back and say it will be two grand for your a-pillar mister, I'll probably be more motivated

 

thats one of the things im curious about too

 

(ie how much would it cost to just have a shop do the GRP repairs)

[egg]

Thanks DW. 

 

Another thing to mention is the interior of the A pillar is actually metal - I guess they knew it needed more strength in that area.

[LightBulbFun]

just checking me facebook when I noticed Stuart has very kindly provided me with some information on your Mk12

 

he says by his very rough estimate that its a September/October 1967 car and will almost certently have the registration series's: WNO-F, WVX-F, WPU-F or WVE-F 

 

(and that WOO 976F is a November 1967 car that the science museum have in their stores, I wonder why the science museum of all museums have an invacar  )

 

 

I dont think he has seen the chassis number so I let him know that the chassis number has been unearthed, but I did not upload a photo of it to him, I know he spent 15 years of dealing with people just using him for his services rather than sharing his enthusiasm for invacars, and I dont want to "remind him of such" if that makes sense  (I am curious if he has not seen the chassis number, what tells him exactly its an September/October car )

 

 

ill keep you posted if anymore info comes to light

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Ooh, exciting stuff thanks!!

[sierraman]

Couldn’t you fashion a skeleton for the A pillar out of aluminium or mild steel then fibreglass round it?

[Timewaster]

Back on the rear brake lights,

 

Paddock spares do an aftermarket complete Land Rover assembly for £8.52 each. I'm tempted to get these for the rubber seal and bulb holder/wiring but use the original lens

 

https://www.paddockspares.com/589446-rear-light-assembly-3in-diameter.html

 

 

Or here in Germany (!) is a complete 'OEM' assembly for €15...

 

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/ruecklicht-original-land-rover-lucas-l761-bs-2516-nos/1047209782-223-1379

 

This place is fantastic.

 

Only here could someone buy an unidentified scrapped 50 year old car with panels and great big chunks of bodywork missing, seized everything and no documents and immediately start talking about replacing tail lights.

[DodgeRover]

Here's an exploded diagram of the Carb (S25) I think. Villers Services do a refurb service from £15 upwards. That's probably going to be worth the investment...

 

Personally I would be buying a flat slide mikuni copy from aliexpress for about the same money

[Christine]

Personally.... i'd have bought the black Jaguar   

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I'd didn't know that was an option (the carb that is).

 

But introducing knock-off Chinese parts to this prime piece of British engineering, could I live with myself ?

[Zelandeth]

I'd forgotten that a lot of two strokes have weird carbs with sliding bits in. Been a ridiculously long time since I last messed with one.

 

Guess the biggest question is does the engine turn over? If so, some fresh fuel, oil down the bores, clean or rebuild the carb, clean the points and I'll bet she'll go.

 

Failing that, stick some diesel down the bore and wait a while.

 

Also being a two stroke, obviously try to make sure there's nothing in the way of nests in the exhaust as a blocked exhaust will stop it from starting.

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Well worth a watch if you are interested in the Villiers engine. This is a 9e which is very similar to the 11e in my car. Bit shaky with the camera but it is a nice overview.

 

 

[LightBulbFun]

very interesting I wonder what the difference is between the 9E and the 11E...

[wuvvum]

Guess the biggest question is does the engine turn over?

It's a 52-year-old two-stroke that's been left untouched and exposed to the elements up a tree in Norfolk for the last 20-odd years, so my guess would be "no".

[egg]

very interesting I wonder what the difference is between the 9E and the 11E...

 

I needed that query answering, had to be from rumcars...

http://rumcars.org/forum/index.php?topic=3645.0

 

The 11E has grey painted steel cooling cowls on both sides, not cast aluminium, has different gear ratios, has the fan on the clutch side keyed onto the end of the crank and not screwed on the dynastart.  Clutch covers are totally different.  The usable parts from an 11e engine which can be used on a 9e are : head, barrel and piston, dynastart, crank but it has to be cut down to removed the fan drive, clutch basket and plates.  The fan can be used on a 3T and the tin cowls on the later improved 9e as used in the Scootacar Mk11.  There are probably more smaller parts that can be used but a lot are scrap hence why Bond Spares used to have tons of aluminium casings and gears that no body wanted.

 

The 11E was built purely for the Invalid Carriage market which was a large customer for Villiers.  This engine basically evolved from the 9E.  The only significant difference between the final fan cooled 9e, as used in the Scootacar Mk11 and the 11e is the gear ratios. 

[LightBulbFun]

nice find and very interesting I wonder how the gear ratios differed between the 2...

[dollywobbler]

It's a 52-year-old two-stroke that's been left untouched and exposed to the elements up a tree in Norfolk for the last 20-odd years, so my guess would be "no".

Entirely different engine, but TPA's engine was last on the road in 1999, sat in a field for at least 14 years and, due to a broken engine cover, was exposed to the elements. Not even slightly seized. At least if this one is, there aren't many parts to it.

[egg]

This place is fantastic.

 

Only here could someone buy an unidentified scrapped 50 year old car with panels and great big chunks of bodywork missing, seized everything and no documents and immediately start talking about replacing tail lights.

 

Oh, I agree it's madness.

 

But I think I have to pursue this with the assumption of success or I'd give up straight away!