Ford timelord

[808 Estate]

 

[808 Estate]

Not seen this one before.

 

[treehugger]

So the car still exists? 

[bunglebus]

21 minutes ago, treehugger said:

So the car still exists? 

Well...

[uk_senator]

On 3/5/2023 at 12:40 PM, 808 Estate said:

Not seen this one before.

 

Not the best mix of 3am I`ve heard, but the video brings back so many happy memories, of the days I used to tear around London in a variety of chod, some of which weren't too dissimilar to the timelord in "style",  without a care in the world.. It was a totally different place compared to London now, a place where you cant move without getting a fine..  😐😣

[PhilA]

Man, that sounds ropey when he fires it up.

[JB77]

I ordered a bundle of Street Machine magazines off ebay and look what was in the for sale section in the October 1992 magazine. JLE 67K.  Its the second time I found this car in a random place, last time it was on YouTube leaving a car meeting. 

[Bren]

Ex miltary? Probably from a US Base and then sold on.

[808 Estate]

I kan haz kopyright issues. 😁

[egg]

5 hours ago, 808 Estate said:

I kan haz kopyright issues. 😁

 

I'm sure the boys will be round with the Dulux soon enough...

[Rod/b]

https://www.bfi.org.uk/news/films-justified-ancients-mu-mu-klf-timelords
 

23 Seconds to Eternity also features a newly restored version of The Rites of Mu (1991), a 29-minute feature narrated by Martin Sheen, documenting a summer solstice event organised by The KLF on the Scottish island of Jura in 1991, plus the previously unreleased short Krash (1992), edited in 2022, a record of the final and violent destruction of Ford Timelord. The soundtrack to Krash is a track from The Black Room, the unreleased album by the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu. 

[PhilA]

On 6/24/2023 at 4:24 AM, egg said:

I'm sure the boys will be round with the Dulux soon enough...

Funny, I was looking at the price of old Fords with the idea of mocking up one in this style here...

[egg]

1 hour ago, Rod/b said:

https://www.bfi.org.uk/news/films-justified-ancients-mu-mu-klf-timelords
 

23 Seconds to Eternity also features a newly restored version of The Rites of Mu (1991), a 29-minute feature narrated by Martin Sheen, documenting a summer solstice event organised by The KLF on the Scottish island of Jura in 1991, plus the previously unreleased short Krash (1992), edited in 2022, a record of the final and violent destruction of Ford Timelord. The soundtrack to Krash is a track from The Black Room, the unreleased album by the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu. 

trailer for the 4:23 (has to be 23) Krash film

 

[Datsuncog]

Is that... yet another car claimed as Ford Timelord shown in the Krash short?

The choppy nature of the trailer makes it kinda hard to tell for sure, but I don't think that's either of the Ford Customs (WGU and its clone), nor the briefly-owned Ford LTD that was sold on to Jesus Jones' drummer, nor the blue Chevy Nova with a hasty blowover that Jimmy Cauty drove at the charity banger race...

[Pieman]

That video clip is definitely Wimbledon Stadium, I recognise the background.  You're right though, that car looks bigger than the Nova although it is number 70 which Cauty raced under.

Did they film another event at the stadium on another date...and if so, is that the OTHER Custom 500 they claim to have owned?

[Datsuncog]

9 hours ago, Pieman said:

That video clip is definitely Wimbledon Stadium, I recognise the background.  You're right though, that car looks bigger than the Nova although it is number 70 which Cauty raced under.

It does, doesn't it?

The Nova's quite tiddly, and even given some vertical compression to the film frames, I don't think it's the same car.

And it doesn't look very much like the car believed to be the Timelord, which we know for sure was raced at Swaffham in 1991.

That's great to get the track location ID'd as Wimbledon - but to me, this doesn't look like the Pop Stars vs DJs charity race. For starters, I don't believe Humber Pigs were racing there... but we do know The KLF acquired a pair in the early 1990s.

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is that the OTHER Custom 500 they claim to have owned?

From digging around, it seems the other '68 Custom was scrapped in 1989 and its registration transferred to the second car (the one that appeared on the Timelords single), though you may be on to something... looking at the side profile of the car in the trailer again...

Looks a bit like a '71 Ford.

Could this be... the other OTHER Ford they owned, JLE67K?

The rear end looks similar, to my eyes.

This was the car that Jimmy apparently tried to buy back from Simon Matthews in about 1990.

Except DVLA reckons JLE was taxed until 1993, and the footage is claimed to be from 1992.

But no-one seems to know what exactly became of this car - Matthews' recall is that it was quite rotten, and he left it with a friend while he was away off touring,  Then it was in the way, and eventually he agreed to let his chum dispose of it to persons unknown.

Maybe it was smashed in '92 with a full year's ticket, and the remaining months never cashed in?

So could JLE have ended up back with the KLF crew for a staged, filmed banger race in 1992? One that occurred after the charity race in March '92 that Cauty participated in?

Or - is this another car entirely?

Ooh, my poor head...

[quicksilver]

Ooh, more intrigue! As we know JLE was for sale in 1992, could Cauty have bought it from that guy called Ox? Would he have blown £1500 just to smash it up? Given what they did to the million that's probably a yes.

On the other hand, that ad is from October, which doesn't leave much time to prepare it, race and edit the footage before the end of the year. Throwing another spanner in the works, it had a keeper change in September 93 and a new V5 in November, both after the tax ran out. Maybe the film was made in 1993?

[Rod/b]

I’ve ordered the DVDs, i’ll let you know when they arrive

[Rod/b]

I think it’s the Nova (or *a* Nova) judging by the shape of the rear door window frame. It kinda kicks up along the bottom rear of the window. 
 

 

[Pieman]

Have just raised the Ford LTD theory with the owner of the Hunt Timelord blog and he sent me this, taken from an interview with Simon Matthews - many thanks for his permission to post it here.

So by "blading around in their tank" - does he mean the Humber armoured cars?  Was this filmed on the same evening but with the KLF using a different Yank tank against the Humbers?

[Pieman]

1 hour ago, Rod/b said:

I think it’s the Nova (or *a* Nova) judging by the shape of the rear door window frame. It kinda kicks up along the bottom rear of the window. 
 

 

Have shown this to a fellow bangerack and Yank fan, and he's looked closely at the screenshots and reckons it could be an AMC Matador.

 

[quicksilver]

It could be a Matador. I don't think it's the Nova unless the footage is stretched as it looks bigger and the rear overhang is longer, like a full-size/intermediate sedan whereas the Nova was a compact. New theory: Cauty brought two cars to Wimbledon that night, raced the Nova in the main event and then smashed the other up with the Pig for the film.

[Pieman]

That's what I am thinking too - I need to find someone who was present at that charity meeting.

[Rod/b]

13 minutes ago, quicksilver said:

It could be a Matador. I don't think it's the Nova unless the footage is stretched as it looks bigger and the rear overhang is longer, like a full-size/intermediate sedan whereas the Nova was a compact. New theory: Cauty brought two cars to Wimbledon that night, raced the Nova in the main event and then smashed the other up with the Pig for the film.

The footage is almost certainly stretched in the trailer. 

[Pieman]

Deleted my post above re Armco etc, have freeze-framed again and it is definitely Wimbledon.

[Rod/b]

I’m convinced it’s the same Nova as in the Nordoff Robbins race. It has the same white mark on the drivers door, text on the drivers side C pillar, door clamp in the same place and the 70 disappears into the wheel arch.

 

[quicksilver]

IIRC he did say the Nova was totally destroyed even though he retired early on when it was still mostly intact. Looks like he may have brought it back out after the race and smashed it with the Pig.

[Rod/b]

That’d make sense. Probably planned to save it for later if they had the tank there (as Gen Matthews mentioned), and a film crew on hand. 

[quicksilver]

The front looks bent at the start, which is consistent with it hitting the wall during the race. @Philmanns was there so maybe he can remember what happened afterwards?

Thinking about it, the footage is very likely to be stretched if it was filmed in 4:3 and edited to fit modern wide screens. As fun as it would have been to have discovered yet another Timelord, I think it's safe to say this car is the same Chevy Nova and it was filmed at Wimbledon after the Nordoff-Robbins race in 1992.

[Rod/b]

34 minutes ago, Rod/b said:

That’d make sense. Probably planned to save it for later if they had the tank there (as Gen Matthews mentioned), and a film crew on hand. 

This all fits too. 
 

 

 

It goes on to say that someone drove the armoured car onto the track at the end, and the marshalls had to get it out the way of the other pop star cars. My bet is that they cleared all the other cars off and just let Jimmy and whoever was in the armoured car go at it while Bill Butt shot it.