Arna

[flat4alfa]

I wonder how many they made? I dont think they even bothered trying to market them in much of Europe.

 

Esemplari prodotti: 53,047

 

I'm surprised at that figure...

 

Entire 33 production (989,324) almost matched Alfasud (1,017,387).  Not that today's internet journalists want us to hear that

 

Compare to 667,192 total Allegro production, Acclaim at 133,625, Rover SD3 at 418,367

[Shep Shepherd]

That's a lot of 33s! Pity that they appear to be pretty much extinct here nowadays.

[sierraman]

Jeremy Clarkson blew one up IIRC on Motor world.

[flat4alfa]

Sing along now

 

[flat4alfa]

All together now: 'Alfista !'

 

 

 

https://YouTube.com/watch?v=9ufvwBTULUc

[flat4alfa]

Jeremy Clarkson blew one up IIRC on Motor world.

It was Car Years. I remember watching it first broadcast and feeling a pang of regret even then

 

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

 

 

 

 

 

They can, if you tap the 33 box casing to take the inboard brakes - the casting has the mount points there, but blanked-off.  Short-track racers put the Alfasud 1.2 gearboxes into their 33s, not that it was a strong box to start with

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not just that. Fit a Sud box to a later car and the driveshafts don't reach the output flanges. The output flanges don't interchange. The answer is to machine spacers from old Sud inboard discs and use longer Sud driveshafts bolts.

 

Fit a later box to a Sud and it compresses the CV joints inwards. Easier to use the right gearbox for the right car.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

 

 

Yes - base, Gold Cloverleaf and Giardinetta did not, however Green Cloverleaf had front ARB reinstated in the following June.  The mk 1.5 Cloverleaf 1.7 had a thicker ARB and that was the one to swap-in if dropping the subframe to pull the engine and box out from underneath to do the clutch, as HBOL advised.  How can I remember all this when I can't fathom what happened last weekend.

 

 

 

 

I bought a few 33's in the day. My fave was a silver B reg 1.5 Green Cloverleaf that just went like fuck. It had the tweed trim and the telephone dial wheels as well as some remarkable rusty patches. That was in 1995.

 

The later ones weren't so great. The best was the 1.5ie with Bosch injection and skinny 165 or 175 tyres, very smooth punchy engine that loved to rev. The 1.7 was nothing like as nice and the 16v was just appallingly bad. Not as grim as the boxer 145 though, they were just tragic.

 

I had an Arna 1.2SL as a daily 20+ years ago. I paid next to nothing for it and it withstood a lot of abuse.

[Asimo]

This is still advertised.

 

https://www.autoscout24.nl/aanbod/alfa-romeo-others-arna-benzine-groen-4d190552-1d8f-9069-e053-e250040a4f9b?cldtidx=1

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Mine was that colour!

 

Beige hush puppy trim as well.

[forddeliveryboy]

I had 'suds in few flavours, and 33s - still have a mk1 33 today

 

Arna was a real misfit, they were unsaleable new and used, but I still want one. Doubt I'd keep it long though

 

Rear end of the 'sud gave way to the 33 single-beam set up and spoiled things a tad, but I wouldn't say 33 was 'not a patch' on Suds, depends on what you were driving: My 33 Cloverleaf was a far better drive than my Gold Cloverleaf Sud, due to the spring rates and gearing. Besides, 33 had a longer wheelbase so would drive differently

 

Did you see the 1000€ Arna I posted in the Ebay thread

http://autoshite.com/topic/30703-ebay-tat-volume-3/?p=1410669

 

Yes! And you're right about my description - 'not a patch' is likely not true, it was just based on the small number - 3 or 4 - I drove which compared with my Suds and then the Sprint to me felt far less good.

 

I could properly enjoy a smaller-engined 33, there are plenty still in everyday use in Italy.

 

 

Same front suspension as Sud, just outboard discs. 33’s had no front anti roll bar until later. 33 back axles were tubular beam but with similar location and softer springs and dampers.

Baasically the same at the front, but with different lengths for both links and other detail differences. I refer to the 33 front suspension as different because although with a few mods you can transfer a complete 33's suspension onto a Sud, it's not possible to mix and match parts.

[forddeliveryboy]

https://m.subito.it/auto/alfa-romeo-arna-1985-napoli-233706139.htm

 

 

Quite a few 33s on subito, too - seems they're still autoshite in their own country. I posted a couple on ebay tat.

[Lacquer Peel]

I am still waiting for bo11ox to buy a 33 diesel, VM 3 headed monster! Ideal for trolling people who got their ideas about Alfa Romeo from Jeremy Clarkson.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I've only ever seen one for sale despite intermittently searching for them for donkeys years!!!! DAMN, I'd love one of those.

[Spottedlaurel]

1983 Nissan Cherry Europe (920) UK brochure scan by Spottedlaurel, on Flickr

 

1983 Nissan Cherry Europe 1.2 (920) press photo by Spottedlaurel, on Flickr

 

1983 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi (920) press photo by Spottedlaurel, on Flickr

 

My mega-list of Datsun/Nissan UK cars and vans sold here tells me that Nissan sold less than 1100 of them here. If I had loads of time I could search through the registrations of them all to see how long they lasted, but that won't be happening just now......

 

I believe Alfa persevered with them a bit longer in the UK, as I suppose they had a bit more of a gap in their range.

[flat4alfa]

I've only ever seen one for sale despite intermittently searching for them for donkeys years!!!! DAMN, I'd love one of those.

https://m.subito.it/auto/alfa-33-1800-turbo-diesel-1986-iscritta-asi-macerata-223915890.htm

 

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Yeah I think that's the one, been for sale for years. Actually I have seen one other and tried unsuccessfully to buy it.

[flat4alfa]

Ryanair flight next Sunday from Stansted £151

[Alfamale]

Last time I looked into it, buying a car in Italy look a like a world of pain of bureaucracy, and that's from someone who has Italian Citizenship. Anyone had any success? The only way I can see to do it really is either get the seller to declare it as scrap and come back with no papers and no plates, or spend about €250 getting a notary public to do the paperwork but not sure if the Italian authorities will plate it without a registered address. Appreciate things may have changed since I last looked a few years ago.

[bramz7]

Something about going through Article 99, which means you get a single cardboard (typical Italy) export plate to drive the car out of Italy with, but it costs €80 odd, or it did in 2015. Basically it sounds quite a thorough and tiring process if any part is mucked up. Otherwise you could persuade the seller to let you keep the plates and post them back from the UK when done....

 

Probably easier to find a diesel 33 in France then.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

It does look like a mega ballache bureaucratically, thats what i found when i wanted to buy the 33 diesel a few years back

[wuvvum]

Just take some Polish plates with you and whack them on for the drive home - you'll be fine.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Last time I looked into it, buying a car in Italy look a like a world of pain of bureaucracy, and that's from someone who has Italian Citizenship. Anyone had any success? The only way I can see to do it really is either get the seller to declare it as scrap and come back with no papers and no plates, or spend about €250 getting a notary public to do the paperwork but not sure if the Italian authorities will plate it without a registered address. Appreciate things may have changed since I last looked a few years ago.

 

Any good?

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Drive it back to the UK and just register it on the VIN?

[Asimo]

I put this 33TD in the TaT thread a couple of months ago. The ad. is still there. https://www.autoscout24.it/annunci/alfa-romeo-33-1-8-td-diesel-verde-b1144157-f597-180d-e053-e350040aecad?cldtidx=1

[egg]

Mike Brewer imported from Italy once didn't he, can't be too bad

[flat4alfa]

Drive it back to the UK and just register it on the VIN?

 

The seller won't want to release the car to you as the plates are in his name and he is liable?  Is that why the Notary gets involved as it's a legally-bound local-Municipality transaction thing with local tax differences.  The difference to the similar e.g. French plating system is the the Italian system is more strict ballache - but that's even more reason to GET THEM BOTH BOUGHT, in bulk.

[alcyonecorporation]

Trailer it home? 

[sierraman]

A Alfa 75 diesel would be a rarity here if you could find one. From purely a financial perspective, a 2.5 would make sense but it wouldn't be autoshite that way. Did they even sell the diesel 75 in the UK?

[Lacquer Peel]

No they didn't, the first Alfa diesel sold in the UK was the 156 JTD.