Old modern dervs

[twosmoke300]

Haven't heard much about them which is usually good news but one guy I know with one said his was really really juicy

[Guest Lord Sward]

All this love for the Perkins Prima and its descendent the L-series.  However, we've forgot the ultimate Rover diesel which I love; The TD5.  They're GR8.

 

Incidentally, shouldn't you be replacing or at least washing out the intercooler and associated pipework when replacing a turbo?

[twosmoke300]

Td5 can fro ! Far too complicated , leaky , prone to hgf and zero chugging torque

[Richard]

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[twosmoke300]

My van did one and I did another on a berlingo a month later . Not unheard of in the trade either . Usually down to lack of coolant changes imo

[SiC]

The 1.8 td in the mondeo had the worst turbo lag I have ever experienced!

 

My diesel choices would be

 

Transit 2.5 di

Vauxhall / Saab 2.0 /2.2 dti

Vag 1.9 pd

Xud 1.9 n/a

Ford 1.6d ( better than the 1.8imo)

Hilux 2.5/3.0 d4d ( I look after 15 of these , most over 120k , some over 200 and I've changed one injector and never taken a head off )

 

The 2.0 hdi is pretty good but a bit prone to a hgf and a twatty job .

 

The Sierra 2.3d was painfully slow on modern roads .

 

Iveco / Renault master sofim engines are as hard as coffin nails too

 

I know you don't like them, but the Honda 2.2 CTDi is a pretty solid lump if looked after properly too and if the early ones fitted to the Accord are avoided.

[bigstraight6]

The 2 daily driver diesels in my fleet are doing well, the current Mrs bigstraight6's 2004 Volvo S60 D5 is now on 130,000 miles and has been serviced at every 12 months since new with the expensive oil that is recomended. It pulls like a train and is quiet and economical and doesn't go wrong!

My 2002 Polo TDI (that's the 3 cylinder device) is on 148,000 miles, its the most economical vehicle I've ever owned. Since being in my custodianship I've serviced it every 6 months because it's used mainly on short daily commute and weekend shopping duties, again this vehicle doesn't go wrong!

[Ghosty]

Indenor what you're all talking about.

[PhilA]

Here it's all about the Cummins six pot turbo diesels. Enough power and torque that you never need to actually push down on the pedal to make the vehicle move, moderate fuel economy considering the behemoths they are fitted in, and all but the most recent one are still mechanically quite simple. Oil changes every 3000-5000 miles, new injectors at 250,000 miles and they tend to outlast the vehicles they are fitted into.

 

1.6 Endura was good, the 1.8 was horrible.

 

Beside that, the old Rolls six we had was simple enough, had huge torque that made third gear the only gear you needed, but so worn out that on a bad morning it was a task to race getting it started versus flattening the battery, when it was cold the fire crew would have their boots and jackets on by the time it was firing on all cylinders.

 

Who the hell decided to fit the damn things into cars again?

[twosmoke300]

Honda 2.2 wasn't bad they just had a thirst for oil and many have been run low and suffer timing chain issues as a result

[Honey Badger]

I've got lot of love for the L series, more so when fitted with a RoverRon tuning box.

 

Isuzu 4JA1-T 2.5TD are great engines in my experience, My TF ran for 7 years without issues, no oil used between services either, I also liked the 1.7tds fitted to Astra vans in the mid 90s quite capable of allegedly doing over a ton in the hands of a retarded 17 year old apprentice.

 

 

I'd lease a modern diesel for the length of the manufacturer warranty but not a second longer.

[UltraWomble]

Is it? Our two C5s (one HDi, one 1.8 ) are the only two French cars I've ever known to retain their coolant.

 

Same here - three HDi's and none have sicked up their coolant.

 

Five or six XU9D's and two had HGF.

 

My van did one and I did another on a berlingo a month later . Not unheard of in the trade either . Usually down to lack of coolant changes imo

Thats true with the XUD though too - keep on top of the coolant and they tended to be OK up to 100K.

But then with stupid 20,000 mile service intervals on modern HDi's and timing belts supposed to last 100K miles I think too many people neglect them.

But thats just my thoughts.

I change the oil in ours at 6K, the other filters at 10K, the timing belt, whilst a bit of an arse of a job on the C8 is a 40K job, for the cost Vs the cost of a wrecked engine due to the injectors seizing in the head its worth paying for a water pump and a belt & tensioner.

[Squirrel2]

Hi, I'm new around here and this is my first post.

 

After reading this thread just wanted to add that I've had good experience with the PSA DW8 as used in a Xsara 1.9D (no turbo), and more recently the Volvo D5 in both P2 V70 and XC70.

Managed to wring 240k miles out of the Xsara and 275k out of my first D5.

Regular oil and filter changes are the key.

 

Manufacturers' recommended OCIs are the work of the cost consultants and only intended to get the car to the end of its warranty period.

 

 

 

Squirrel2

[cpjitservices]

Hi, I'm new around here and this is my first post.

 

After reading this thread just wanted to add that I've had good experience with the PSA DW8 as used in a Xsara 1.9D (no turbo), and more recently the Volvo D5 in both P2 V70 and XC70.

Managed to wring 240k miles out of the Xsara and 275k out of my first D5.

Regular oil and filter changes are the key.

 

Manufacturers' recommended OCIs are the work of the cost consultants and only intended to get the car to the end of its warranty period.

 

 

 

Squirrel2

Welcome!

[Squirrel2]

Welcome!

Thank you. I have been 'lurking' for a few weeks and have been enjoying reading many of the threads and wished I'd found AS sooner!

I've got a history of 'shite' motors stretching back to about 1980, multiple Renault 16s, R5s.; more recently old Land Rovers are what keep my hands dirty... Also 'boatshite' keeps me busy, too.

 

Is there an area on the forum where we are supposed to 'introduce' ourselves, as new AS forum members?

 

Apologies for being off-topic, I'll shut up now.

 

Squirrel2

[Honey Badger]

Part of my concern for the longevity of moden diesel engines is the service intervals, our S90 D4 has 18k service intervals, which is bob on for us as its leased for 18k a year for 3 years, which means only 3 services, now I'm not going to change the oil at 9k as I would if I owned it as that's just costing me money for someone else's benifit.

 

This contrasts with the Lexus RX, Honda S2000 and my old Accord which got a yearly service by a mechanic, and a oil change at 6 months if the milage justified it. The RX got 15k put on it last year as my wife was using it for work, which meant it got an oil change at 8k, this to me was a wise move as I owned the car and I wanted to keep it in good condition as its a keeper, this year it's done 6k so I haven't changed the oil as its still nice and clean.

 

So the S90 extended service intervals won't bite me in the arse, but when a member of SVM buy it in 15 years time it could lead to clogged oil ways, sludged up sumps and/or fucked turbos, so my view is that this is what will speed up the death of a great number of highly stressed modern diesel engines.

[Rusty_Rocket]

The only two diesels from my current fleet that I would trust to go anwhere...

 

Land Rover 200/300TDi -

 

 

and Isuzu TC4EE1 -

 

 

Anything more modern can get in the sea.

 

People always hark back to the Perkins diesel in the Maestro/ Montego etc but in my experience, it's noisy and not overly economical.  My pal has one in his Maestro van and it's so noisy, you genuinely can't talk to your passenger at speeds over 40mph..

It's a torquey engine though.

[sierraman]

Trouble is all these old school engines like XUD, Endura and Perkins stuff are worn out old tat now.

[Cleon-Fonte]

Hardly. There are still plenty around giving reliable service, many of them on this very forum.

[twosmoke300]

Very true but at least they still run ok ish . Modern diesels are fucked if a tiny component has a small amount of wear or a sensor goes down

[sierraman]

The wife's grandmother had a 1.7 diesel NA Corsa B. Always started but the body was falling apart at the seams. The chances of finding a good old school diesel in the papers or wherever are slim. They've all either done 250,000 or are rotten as fuck.

 

There's exceptions of course but if you decided tomorrow you'd look for a Rover 600 diesel or a Mondeo Endura D, it would likely be shagged.

[cpjitservices]

The wife's grandmother had a 1.7 diesel NA Corsa B. Always started but the body was falling apart at the seams. The chances of finding a good old school diesel in the papers or wherever are slim. They've all either done 250,000 or are rotten as fuck.

 

There's exceptions of course but if you decided tomorrow you'd look for a Rover 600 diesel or a Mondeo Endura D, it would likely be shagged.

ahhh the 1.7 Isuzu engine.?

[Cleon-Fonte]

And yet if I go on eBay now I find an immaculate, (relatively) low mileage diesel Rover 600 and plenty of perfectly useable 20-year old Peugeots and Citroens like this one.

 

To say they're all so completely shagged, members here seem to be adept at continually unearthing good ones. Funny, that...

[cpjitservices]

And yet if I go on eBay now I find an immaculate, (relatively) low mileage diesel Rover 600 and plenty of perfectly useable 20-year old Peugeots and Citroens like this one.

 

To say they're all so completely shagged, members here seem to be adept at continually unearthing good ones. Funny, that...

My 600 is for want of a better word, mint. Brilliant though shes not a diesel. Absolute joy to drive. Wonderful in fact. Smiles per mile!

 

There are some good, old cars out there

[sierraman]

Find me several to go and look at within 15 miles of Sheffield?

[twosmoke300]

Is that as far as your current car will make it for a viewing ?

[Cleon-Fonte]

Find me several to go and look at within 15 miles of Sheffield?

 

There is a world outside South Yorkshire, you know.

[sierraman]

There is you are absolutely right there but I've not the time for travelling to Dundee to look at a clapped out Rover 600 diesel.

[sierraman]

Is that as far as your current car will make it for a viewing ?

No I've a Mk2 Mondeo, did a 500 mile round trip in it a week ago.

[Lacquer Peel]

It's clear that you don't want an old diesel, so stop whinging about them. 

 

I'll make an exception for the VE pump VAG SDI/TDI, they've not given me trouble except in 110 form with two Octavia head failures, they're the commonest 'old fashioned' diesel available, smoother than a lot of common rails, frugal and veg friendly.

 

The 5 cylinder version makes a nice noise.