Diesel scrapage scheme 2017

[Lacquer Peel]

 

 

Partly because I don't like being told what to do when I'm not at work.

You say that as if we have freedom of choice in our daily personal decisions, we don't really.

[conkerman]

Tinfoil hat.

 

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[Kiltox]

Wish they'd fucking hurry up so I can offload this Laguna

[AMC Rebel]

.....there will always be old undesirable cars no other bugger wants. 

 

I hope that's true - I won't be around by the time old stuff is banned or taxed off the road and working on your own car is illegal - but it could happen.  Given that some new housing estates have a covenant banning vehicles with no MOT, there is (albeit a small) risk that car fiddlers will be increasingly marginalised in future.

 

Clarkson and co helped it along by taking the piss out of "Mr Beardy and his socket set".

[garbaldy]

Given that some new housing estates have a covenant banning vehicles with no MOT,

 

 

Now that would be the perfect estate to live on would it not, a whole estate with not a single car under three year old,

[Lacquer Peel]

I hope that's true - I won't be around by the time old stuff is banned or taxed off the road and working on your own car is illegal - but it could happen.  Given that some new housing estates have a covenant banning vehicles with no MOT, there is (albeit a small) risk that car fiddlers will be increasingly marginalised in future.

 

Clarkson and co helped it along by taking the piss out of "Mr Beardy and his socket set".

 

As a man born into relative privilege I don't suppose he's ever had to fix anything himself out of poverty or desperation.

 

Now that would be the perfect estate to live on would it not, a whole estate with not a single car under three year old,

 

Stepford Wives suburbs.

[sierraman]

 

You say that as if we have freedom of choice in our daily personal decisions, we don't really.

Obviously everybody has some sort of constraints, I can still think what I want though.

[sierraman]

I hope that's true - I won't be around by the time old stuff is banned or taxed off the road and working on your own car is illegal - but it could happen. Given that some new housing estates have a covenant banning vehicles with no MOT, there is (albeit a small) risk that car fiddlers will be increasingly marginalised in future.

 

Clarkson and co helped it along by taking the piss out of "Mr Beardy and his socket set".

The vast majority of people I know couldn't afford £2-300 a month to finance a car. By banning anything remotely old you'd effectively be denying 50% of the population access to a car.

 

Didn't know that about it being an 'offence' to have a car with no MOT on some new estates. Fascists!! Another reason I don't want to live on one of these foul new build estates.

[Lacquer Peel]

I don't think that older cars are going to get banned, maybe in urban centres but not country-wide.

[DSdriver]

I'll just leave this here (click the piccy, not worth doing on a mobile obvs)

Stuff we breathe by Jean-Pierre Declemy, on Flickr

 

But I'd rather live here than China or India even if our press is full of misinformation, speculation and propoganda.

[AMC Rebel]

Now that would be the perfect estate to live on would it not, a whole estate with not a single car under three year old,

 

Quality! I see what you did there

[mercrocker]

For most of the 1950s the US automakers embarked on a process of continual change of sheet metal.   Not real mechanical or engineering progress, just coming up with a "New Look" be it "Forward Look",  "Suddenly its 1960" or whatever moniker Madison Avenue concocted.    

 

Largely, this was due to the fact that by the mid-20th century most adult Americans owned a car.   There was very little untapped market remaining so to keep the car industry viable it had to ensure people continued to want something new.   They had little new to offer other than making it look new and constantly creating a demand for this stuff that looked new - they did this by hosting "Dream Car" roadshows and displays and then offering a watered-down version six or nine months later.    

 

All this emissions bollocks and a large amount of the "Safety" bollocks seems to me to be exactly the same thing.   Constant creation of demand.   Exactly the same kind of marketing that sees new sofas on TV at Christmas just after people have spent their longest time sat on the  old one, over-indulged and got squashed next to the mother in law.  Panacea - new sofa.

 

Perhaps if we all buy new cars we can live longer, breathe more easily and feel we are no longer to blame.....

[cros]

Or they could do something about the trendy wood burning stoves that are so popular now. Even better, they could re-engineer roads to remove pointless bus lanes, chicanes, speed bumps, turn off or remove traffic lights at certain times of the day which would allow traffic to move more freely, cutting pollution and...........

 

 

 

No, that's just daft. Let's put even more in, that will solve the problem

I use a log stove and as you point out they are a considerable source of pollution. This became apparent to me when I noticed that even in the USA new standards for stoves are being applied.

I looked at woodburners fitted with catalysts to burn off particulates and various gimmicks claimed to increase efficiency, but was unhappy about scrapping an otherwise serviceable fire. A compromise has been reached by relining the thing with a thick layer of firebricks (ex electric storage heater). The firebox is half its original size and is only run 'hard' which cuts visible smoke to virtually nothing. Wood consumption has also dropped by a large amount, and when the fire goes out the heat stored in the bricks keeps the room warm. But what's the relevance of all this shit about heaters?

Clearly I've not achieved anything as lovely as a heating system powered by electricity produced by a nuclear reactor. Then again, without figures for future whole- life costs of fission or fusion power generation I'll continue to baulk at embracing electric cars and enjoy running a slightly cleaner dirty old P4 by feeding it on LPG.

Thusly a prudent government might take a closer look at the vehicles already on the road before throwing them away. Improvement could start with better utilisation; two people in one car in the place of one halves emissions without spending anything. Turning the engine off when stationary actually saves twice but is not likely to happen until queuees are kept better informed.

A fantastical idea, and now I'm being truly fucking ridiculous, but why are there actually so many people rammed into the Londonopolis in the first place?

[conkerman]

I'm looking for a new modern for commuting and was thinking either an ecoboost fester or a 2.0 TDI Ibiza. Ibiza is currently favourite. I can't see there being any massive changes with respect to diesels and taxation in the next few years. Especially for stuff that is EU5+

 

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[Longblackcoat]

I'm looking for a new modern for commuting and was thinking either an ecoboost fester or a 2.0 TDI Ibiza. Ibiza is currently favourite. I can't see there being any massive changes with respect to diesels and taxation in the next few years. Especially for stuff that is EU5+

 

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What about a five year old (ish) Prius. They're economical, not shit to drive, and genuinely cheap to run (insurance, servicing, etc). Plus they're a lot more refined than a VAG TDi.

[conkerman]

Not available in budget, without lots of mileage. The common rail TDi is a decent diesel engine. I have an Exeo with the same engine.

 

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[NorfolkNWeigh]

What about a five year old (ish) Prius. They're economical, not shit to drive, and genuinely cheap to run (insurance, servicing, etc). Plus they're a lot more refined than a VAG TDi.

This morning I saw the ultimate in mingebaggery, an LPG Prius ! It was a taxi, naturally.

 

The positive side to diesel wit hunt this is that my Mrs has agreed to swapping her relatively economical Freelander2 for a thirsty Cayenne , it'll be worth it because she won't be poisoning nuns and kittens- result.

[Lacquer Peel]

Wipe out 95% of humanity, save the planet.

[castros_bro]

Just a quick note

 

 

0/10 for believing without caveats what is in the printed media which is produced by private companies whose aim is to sell product and make profit.  0/10 for not thinking ....there are always viable alternatives if you have the imagination and willing to put some thought and effort into it. 

[alcyonecorporation]

I don't force anyone to read what I write.

 

Alternative sources (rather than facts) are always available, innit.

[dave21478]

So in summary, we need to remove the entire capitalist system, abolish greed, make goods that last a lifetime with good spares backup instead of being disposable, stop the striving for constant growth, stop lusting for wifi-enabled trinkets from China, slash meat consumption by at least half, eat local food when it is in season, and reduce the global population by at least a third, preferably half either by some kind of Soylent Green system or by colonising somewhere else.

 

Simple.

[sierraman]

So in summary, we need to remove the entire capitalist system, abolish greed, make goods that last a lifetime with good spares backup instead of being disposable, stop the striving for constant growth, stop lusting for wifi-enabled trinkets from China, slash meat consumption by at least half, eat local food when it is in season, and reduce the global population by at least a third, preferably half either by some kind of Soylent Green system or by colonising somewhere else.

 

Simple.

You have to go and make it sound like a big job don't you! 😀

[Guest Hooli]

Not available in budget, without lots of mileage.

 

 

I used to know an IT contractor with an early Prius, it's well over 200k on just normal servicing. Never FTP'd yet.

[SiC]

They're incredibly popular on the west coast America as taxis. They're regularly topping 300-400k easily.

 

Personally I'd rather have a Lexus CT200h. Same drivetrain as the Prius but more comfort and look like a proper car. The Prius is designed to be like it is, as the target market want to make it obvious that they're driving a Prius. Where as the Lexus is designed to be a normal car that is economical.

[cros]

Just a quick note

 

 

0/10 for believing without caveats what is in the printed media which is produced by private companies whose aim is to sell product and make profit. 0/10 for not thinking ....there are always viable alternatives if you have the imagination and willing to put some thought and effort into it.

You're chipper today coming in here with a demi-semi on

[Guest bangerfan101]

I hope that's true - I won't be around by the time old stuff is banned or taxed off the road and working on your own car is illegal - but it could happen. Given that some new housing estates have a covenant banning vehicles with no MOT, there is (albeit a small) risk that car fiddlers will be increasingly marginalised in future.

 

Clarkson and co helped it along by taking the piss out of "Mr Beardy and his socket set".

I work on new build housing. I can tell you 100% the estate I'm on at the minute, in the free hold. No sign written vans can be parked on the estate. No caravans either.

 

This is Harrow gate what what what

[sierraman]

It's expected of you to have a white Audi A4 Sportline, work in HR, have a Fit Bit and an I-phone.

[RoadworkUK]

Much of the Prius naysayery is borne of the fact that it "doesn't drive - or look - like an real car". Nor do aeroplanes, and I think they're pretty cool, too.

[rantingYoof]

I work on new build housing. I can tell you 100% the estate I'm on at the minute, in the free hold. No sign written vans can be parked on the estate. No caravans either.

 

This is Harrow gate what what what

 

Caravans-on-the-driveway covenants have been about for quite a while now, but I've not heard of a no-sign-written-van covenant! Extreme!

 

The local planning office is going to be inundated with wrongly-directed calls.

[Dick Cheeseburger]

I work on new build housing. I can tell you 100% the estate I'm on at the minute, in the free hold. No sign written vans can be parked on the estate. No caravans either.

This is Harrow gate what what what

I assume that the next step would be wording which dictates owners can only wash their ticked up TDI's on Sundays, before roast is served at 1pm prompt? Maybe there could even be some sort of rebate from energy suppliers if all house owners agreed to switch on their kettles at agreed times?