Junior Jag- how Wank are X types?

[EssDeeWon]

A bag buys this 2002 London registered example

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-52-JAGUAR-X-TYPE-2-5-V6-SPORT-4D-AUTO-195-BHP-/122050143441?hash=item1c6ac164d1:g:wl8AAOSwmfhX2JiO

[EssDeeWon]

  On 03/11/2016 at 22:04, PhillipM said:

My aunt who's 2007 I welded up lives in Ferndown...

 

No idea where that is, but I am assuming down South?

[PhillipM]

Just up from Bournemouth!

[EssDeeWon]

Well thats it then!  All X types and Vauxhalls are shit.

 

Verdict: Don't buy.

 

Although I have a sneaky feeling the OP probably still will   

[AMC Rebel]

  On 03/11/2016 at 11:25, AMC Rebel said:

 

BTW while we're on this "it's really another car" the initial S-Type was slated for handling - because it was essentially a Lincoln (i.e. Ford) LS.  They properly "Jagised" it with the facelift.

 

 

  On 03/11/2016 at 21:45, They_all_do_that_sir said:

Are the S type not a rebodied Lincoln?

 

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  On 03/11/2016 at 21:54, twosmoke300 said:

I believe they are , yes

 

(S type a rebodied Lincoln )

 

[Barry Cade]

  On 03/11/2016 at 20:34, twosmoke300 said:

Oh and they have the worst wheel nuts in history!

Yup carry a hammer and a smaller socket at all times if you buy one.

 

Oh, never run your hand over the rear tyre on an x type either, most of them are through to the wires on he inside edge. Up here they are slowly taking the place of 3 series BMws as the car of choice for the uninsured.

[PhillipM]

The rear dog bone mounts go and then that happens, they're about 60-70 per side to replace.

[pilninggas]

I'm a little confused (and I once nearly bought a 3.0), so are x types shite, shite² , shite³ or for utter masochists?

[Formula Autos]

  On 03/11/2016 at 21:54, EssDeeWon said:

Yeah all cars rust etc etc especially oop norf... Just buy one from down south, it really can make a difference on a 10+ year car

 

Its no coincidence this corner of Essex is still full of tat.

Not true in the case of X-types though. Mine was only four and a half years old when I splurged 11 grand on it, and although I live oop North (Cumbria), the first two owners (I was the third) were listed as living in That London and Norfolk.

 

It was rotten as a pear within a year of me having it.

 

I ended up painting the boot floor and spare wheel well myself with Zinc 182 and satin black rattle can, as apparently Halewood doesn't offer this service. Boot floor paint must be an extra hidden somewhere in the options list.

 

T'was epically shit.

 

Shame, as the interior was lovely and the idea of it was great.

 

Turns out though that the use of No Nails, spit, and blind optimism on the assembly line doesn't result in a long-lasting vehicle.

 

The aforementioned Transit diesel spoiled the Jaaaag ambience somewhat as well. In fact mine had a Transit wiring loom for the injectors on it by the time I got rid. This was the only option for reliability, as Jag's own looms kept melting in the face of OMGTOTALLYUNPREDICTABLE under bonnet temperatures.

 

In the 14 months and 28000 miles I owned it I reckon that Jag cost me £8.5K in depreciation and repair costs.

 

And it held its value pretty well.

 

It was supposedly an economical (if slightly blingy) vehicle for me to use every day for work.

 

T'was a complete mistake.

 

The only really good feature was the built-in sat-nav, which was ace. Wrong audience for that here though. The ability to get you to, rather than direct you to, a destination is no doubt a more pressing concern to Shitists.

[stuboy]

im not a fan of the x type only one catches my eye is 3.0 v6 awd, but i prefer s type

[oldcars]

  On 03/11/2016 at 22:06, EssDeeWon said:

A bag buys this 2002 London registered example

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-52-JAGUAR-X-TYPE-2-5-V6-SPORT-4D-AUTO-195-BHP-/122050143441?hash=item1c6ac164d1:g:wl8AAOSwmfhX2JiO

Are all Jaaaaag x type steering wheels like this, or has the dealer just emptied 400 cans of autosmart silicone dressing on it?

[Bren]

A prime example of badge engineering - a leaping cat jumping away from a steaming turd.

[Junkman]

  On 04/11/2016 at 07:11, pilninggas said:

I'm a little confused (and I once nearly bought a 3.0), so are x types shite, shite² , shite³ or for utter masochists?

 

They are post 1986. Nuff sed?

[adw1977]

Mark 3 Mondeo can be a right bargain.  Avoid early petrol engines (up to 2004 I think) with plastic butterfly valves and get one with good service history etc. for under a grand.

[Lacquer Peel]

The diesels sound like Ford Transits.

[twosmoke300]

They are ford transits !

[rantingYoof]

  On 04/11/2016 at 14:44, adw1977 said:

Mark 3 Mondeo can be a right bargain. Avoid early petrol engines (up to 2004 I think) with plastic butterfly valves and get one with good service history etc. for under a grand.

The 2.5 V6s are exceptionally tempting. One question; are the auto gearboxes chocolatey?

 

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[Shep Shepherd]

Optimistically-priced 04-plate landmark, as seen on Wednesday at the garage where I had The Aero's new tyres fitted:

 

 

To be fair, it looked really nice, but even so...

 

Also, I look forward to finding out if Classics Monthly find any sill corrosion in their recently acquired X-Type project car. So far, it seems surprisingly okay for what they paid for it.

 

Personally, I'd be quite happy with a good X-Type as a daily driver, considering how cheap they are on eBay nowadays.

[sierraman]

  On 04/11/2016 at 21:56, rantingYoof said:

The 2.5 V6s are exceptionally tempting. One question; are the auto gearboxes chocolatey?

 

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No I think most are Jatco

[JohnDeere]

X-Type - rusts and sounds like a Ford Transit. Autoshite verdict: walk away.

Ford Transit - rusts and sounds like a Ford Transit. Autoshite verdict: where can I buy another?

[DodgeRover]

  On 03/11/2016 at 19:15, twosmoke300 said:

Currently doing an engine swap on an 05 3.0 v6 4wd estate . Not a pleasant job and I've got the backs of both sills to look forward to afterwards .

Apparently the v6 isn't the best motor and the transfer box is very fragile on the 3.0 .

I don't rate them to be honest and I don't like the mk3 mondeo either

Saab 9-5 is a better quality car but not such a good drive .

What's happening with the dead V6? I would like one to see if I can physically fit it in place of a pinto... Any idea if the block castings are the same for the X Type and S Type?

[rantingYoof]

  On 04/11/2016 at 22:15, sierraman said:

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No I think most are Jatco

 

That's good (I'm guessing) - I'll add a Ghia X 2.5 V6 estate onto the list of what SnrYoof should replace his Signum with when it decides to throw its belt off or do some diesel-related nasty.

[saucedoctor]

"My" X Type (my father now has it) is 12 years old now. It's had 2 very minor bits of welding, and requires no more. Neville the Magic Welding Shortarse Glaswegian had a good look round it and declared it solid. 2.5V6 SE AWD auto, 82K miles. Had a minor oil leak from the oil pressure switch. I did have a right 'mare with an o2 sensor, but a scrapyard-sourced replacement fixed that in the end. The auto-lights sensor in the crappy Connor mirror bit the dust, but I managed to fit a later, non-shite mirror to it and the auto lights work again. It's had two front springs and 2 void bushes in the arse as well. Just looking back, I bought that motor 5.5 years ago for a shade over £5K. It owes me nothing, in fact I'm probably a few quid up, as I'd get a grand for it with a year's test I reckon.

[Laseraligningfoofooflanges]

  On 03/11/2016 at 22:06, EssDeeWon said:

A bag buys this 2002 London registered example

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-52-JAGUAR-X-TYPE-2-5-V6-SPORT-4D-AUTO-195-BHP-/122050143441?hash=item1c6ac164d1:g:wl8AAOSwmfhX2JiO

That is one glistening steering wheel

 

That dash shine shite never seems to come off black s-type/x-type interior plastics

[Bren]

  On 04/11/2016 at 22:03, Shep Shepherd said:

Optimistically-priced 04-plate landmark, as seen on Wednesday at the garage where I had The Aero's new tyres fitted:

 

IMG_20161102_125049.jpg

 

To be fair, it looked really nice, but even so...

 

Also, I look forward to finding out if Classics Monthly find any sill corrosion in their recently acquired X-Type project car. So far, it seems surprisingly okay for what they paid for it.

 

Personally, I'd be quite happy with a good X-Type as a daily driver, considering how cheap they are on eBay nowadays.

I think that should read £29.95

[garethj]

About the S Type being a rebodied Lincoln...

 

In my experience this is absolute horseshit of the worst pub-expert type.  Firstly, most of us have never driven a LIncoln so have no idea if it's good or bad (it's from the same family as the Ford Thunderbird too which doesn't help either), and secondly they share a floorpan pressing.  That really does not make them the same car.

 

Here are cars that share lots and lots of components, do they drive the same as each other?

 

Mk1 Golf 1300 and Mk1 Golf GTi

Mk2 Escort 1300 and RS2000

Alfa 33 and Alfasud Sprint 1500

Volkswagen Passat and Corrado

 

Is it careful chassis development, luck or a combination that these cars are completely different to drive from each other?  I don't know, but the thousands and thousands of man hours and millions of pounds that car companies spend on it tells me that it's not just a matter of selecting a floorpan and that forever determines the way a car rides, steers and handles.

 

My only experience is of a 3 litre S Type, the 6 speed auto never gave a hint of trouble and the change was so smooth from 5th to 6th that you could only tell by watching the revcounter.  The engine was strong too, didn't use any oil and gave a decent push on acceleration past 120mph when it kind of tails off.  It's good for over 140 I think, which is alright.  I've had an XJ-S and been in an XK8 and it shares the same lowish seating position and cosy (that's a kind way of saying a bit cramped) feeling inside, the seats were comfortable and all the gadgets worked.

 

However I did shop around quite a bit to find a good one, and a dog would be a very different ownership experience.  We sold it at about 130,000 miles and it was our main family car that my wife used to cart the kids around.  I think it's got loads of NCAP stars if that kind of thing matters to you.

[Sir Snipes]

Front suspension and chassis layout certainly looks very "American" and not all like a Jaguar. Not to say they were bad, had some adjustment for camber & castor where Jaguar themselves didn't usually bother, just different.

 

But then 1st gen MLs look nothing like other Mercedes, too.

 

I rather like that x-type at the top of the page. Looks nice in that dark blue.

[SiC]

The Ford influence of this age Jag reminds me of GM influence in Saabs products

 

[big American corporate bean counters] You must use these common platforms to save production costs.

[small Subsidiary Manufacturer] Ok *takes part and completely redesigns it*

 

The S-Type is a lot like the 9-5 in that it shares similar parts between models - but vast majority are different.

The X-Type is a lot like the 9-3 in that their big American owners realised what happened on the last project and forced them to use a lot more common parts - especially in the EU Diesel engine domain.

[saucedoctor]

I've had a couple of S Types as well, a 2.5 and a 3 litre. Both autos, very little difference in MPG. The 2.5 was the smallest pez engine in the S, but it definitely wasn't slow. I wouldn't necessarily say that an S drives better than a X, but it's a different experience. I would say that on balance, the S Type DEW98 is better built, though. Dad had an S Type R, and that thing was mental. Had a problem with the gearbox ECU and then a wee spring broke in the J gate thing which meant getting reverse was tricky. Cheap fix, though.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

  On 03/11/2016 at 20:20, rantingYoof said:

 

 how grenedey the autoboxes on these cars are?

 

And are they more reliable than one would assume based upon the badge?

 

How long is an aftermarket X Type cover sill? You buy old shit like this on the basis of it being 1% of its new cost and that you are the last owner. It works for me!