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[Cavcraft]

PWHOARR!

 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seddon-Atkins ... 23234bd0b3

[Pillock]

As seen at Donnington, earlier this year. Taylors of Oldham run (or support) a truck running in the British Truck Racing Championships so they turn up with all their shiny stuff to show off. This example is pretty damn perfect....

 

[Pillock]

As seen at Donnington, earlier this year. Taylors of Oldham run (or support) a truck running in the British Truck Racing Championships so they turn up with all their shiny stuff to show off. This example is pretty damn perfect....

 

[Split_Pin]

Lovely biscuits! Bet that sounds great with the Eminox's

 

BWAUUUUUUUUHH

[Split_Pin]

Lovely biscuits! Bet that sounds great with the Eminox's

 

BWAUUUUUUUUHH

[CreepingJesus]

One rainy day, at the Asda in Linwood, one of the 10-plate Scanias decided to lunch its' engine. Properly. What turned up to recover it?

 

 

Thomas Ash's 143H Scanny, 'Big T'. Old stager rescues fragile noob! Sounded absolutely fucking epic.

[CreepingJesus]

One rainy day, at the Asda in Linwood, one of the 10-plate Scanias decided to lunch its' engine. Properly. What turned up to recover it?

 

 

Thomas Ash's 143H Scanny, 'Big T'. Old stager rescues fragile noob! Sounded absolutely fucking epic.

[quicksilver]

I'll just leave this beast here

ANT Hill by quicksilver coaches, on Flickr

Factory double-drive, tuned big cam Cummins 400 - basically a Kenworth in Foden clothes and it used to go racing.

 

And another big-engined beastie - 320 Gardner under the cab

320 power by quicksilver coaches, on Flickr

[Split_Pin]

^^Christ will that be a straight 8 pot??

[CreepingJesus]

Don't think so; the 8LXCT was a 300 horse, the mid 80's 6LYT was the 320 horse engine. I think.

Either way, not Gardner's finest hours.

[Split_Pin]

Ah right, not the same one fitted to Leyland Tiger buses of the period then?

[cms206]

Beloved of pikeys everywhere... I'm really starting to get the urge to buy one of these.

 

aviance AV01134 - H443 KJN by cms206, on Flickr

 

That is the sister to the one I passed my airside driving test in (20225, H446 KJN). Perkins engines, four speed gearbox, no power steering. Commendably they lasted until 2007!

[Cavcraft]

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ERF-A-SERIES- ... 20cd16b8ed

[oman5]

Don't think so; the 8LXCT was a 300 horse, the mid 80's 6LYT was the 320 horse engine. I think.

Either way, not Gardner's finest hours.

 

 

was that the big 16l lump?

[RoadworkUK]

Don't think so; the 8LXCT was a 300 horse, the mid 80's 6LYT was the 320 horse engine. I think.

Either way, not Gardner's finest hours.

 

On very, very rare occasions I used to be hauled home from school in a Plaxton Paramount 4000, one of the ones built on Neoplan underframes. It said "Gardner 330" on the back and made a very, very nice noise.

[CreepingJesus]

Ah right, not the same one fitted to Leyland Tiger buses of the period then?

 

Tigers mostly had TL11's, but SBG insisted on Gardners, so theirs had the horizontal version of the 6LX.

 

was that the big 16l lump?

 

Pretty sure it was about that size. Two pots poking out the back of most cabs at the time, and (iirc) occaisional crankshaft issues.

 

On very, very rare occasions I used to be hauled home from school in a Plaxton Paramount 4000, one of the ones built on Neoplan underframes. It said "Gardner 330" on the back and made a very, very nice noise.

 

More likely the equally ill-fated 6LYT (Gardner's attempt to meet the 14L Cummins head-on), or even the relatively fragile 6LXDT.

Gardner were falling behind the curve by then, and turbocharging stuff wasn't their forté. It's a shame they're all but gone, that kind of engineering expertise and heritage can't be bought. I wonder how different it could have been, had Hawker Siddeley pulled the finger out and backed the Gardner engineers with development money and contacts.

The writing was well on the wall for them, way back when, but this...

 

 

...must have been a bit worrying for them.

 

Seddon Atkinson 401 Series 4x2 tractor unit Reg No B131 TND Fleet No 6 'El Capitan' was driven on days by Ted Bamber and was first registered on the 12th of November 1984.

 

This tractor unit was a prototype built by Seddon Atkinson and had a Pegaso 360 engine in line with a 16 speed ZF gearbox. It was sent to Riding's on extended trials for fuel consumption were it was used on days on the North East runs and Motherwell on nights running 24 hours a day.

 

They eventually decided to stop the trials and sold it on to Riding's the one drawback being that it had a long cable gear change which was heavy and this was the worst aspect of the unit.

 

From Riding's history site - well worth a read!

Still, if Gardner loyal companies like Riding's and Seddon Atkinson were experimenting, with new high-revving foreign engines (based as DAF's were on license built Leyland 0680's), and all the other options available at the time; they must have been worried.

[willswitchengage]

Don't think so; the 8LXCT was a 300 horse, the mid 80's 6LYT was the 320 horse engine. I think.

Either way, not Gardner's finest hours.

 

 

was that the big 16l lump?

 

I thought the 6LXB was 10.5L - therefore making the eight pot a 14? Not a massive difference but just in case you're thinking of something else... or I'm wrong

[cms206]

Fell over this today with WH Malcolm...

 

WH Malcolm - D483 NDS by cms206, on Flickr

[CreepingJesus]

I thought the 6LXB was 10.5L - therefore making the eight pot a 14? Not a massive difference but just in case you're thinking of something else... or I'm wrong

 

You're right that the 6LXB/C line were 10.5 or so litres, but the 8LXC line had bore and stroke maxed out, hence they were near as dammit 16L. The 6LYT wasn't a clean sheet design, but was a serious re-jigging of what they had, and was built for 14L. The one I'm not sure of, is the 6LXDT, which might have been the 12L 'stretch' of the LXC.

 

I take it the Iveco TurboTech is to be 'rehabilitated' into Malcolm's show fleet, then? Must've been a mobile bank at some point, judging by the logo on the spoiler. That's a spot and a half, there's not many of those generation Ivecos around now - they went early on in the export drive.

[Split_Pin]

Yikes on the Iveco spot, seriously rare.

 

Malcolms heritage fleet always impresses me at shows. Their Volvo F725 is superb.

[oman5]

Fell over this today with WH Malcolm...

 

WH Malcolm - D483 NDS by cms206, on Flickr

 

VERY nice... bet it's not the big 480 one though. those things were epic- massive capacity (19 litre? does that sound right?) twin turbo V8. could be had with weird options like wipers on the mirrors, mirrors that moved automatically to follow the trailer as you reversed (which didn't work)

[Split_Pin]

Computer says no on that one, tried Iveco, Iveco Ford and Magirus.

 

Probs just a six pot. The top gadgey Turbostar has a different bumper and squarer wings.

 

Some could be had with the big 17.4 l V8, right back to the Fiat NT that its based on. Only the Turbostar had it in top 420bhp tune though.

[CreepingJesus]

I knew an older driver a few years ago, who spoke very highly of those, and their Fiat predecessors. He was running out of Kendal and Penrith then, and reckoned they woud show almost anything the way home, if pedalled properly!

I reckon CMS's one will be a water-cooled 360 straight six. It's usually what was under the narrow cab - the 420 air-cooled V8 was under the wide cab. Both were Maggie D motors tho'; the water-cooled big S6 was still going until the Cursor engines came along. The EuroStar's 18L (?) V8 520 was an Iveco industrial engine, and it showed...1800rpm max iirc?

I'd love an air-cooled V8 TurboStar for a toy, just to listen to that characteristic rattly chattery engine note, and sit in that mental cream/beige/brown/orange interior! Mind you, the temptation to hook it up to a period tilt, and find out exactly how quick it was, might prove too much to resist...

[garycox]

The Iveco's 13798cc (and SORNed) according to DVLA.

 

You have to put 'other' and type 'Iveco-Ford' in the other box to find it.

[cms206]

It was badged as a 190.30 from memory; quite a handsome looking thing. They got a DAF 95 and something else from BOS at the same time but I can't remember what the third one was. This is the DAF...

 

WH Malcolm - Shunt 3 by cms206, on Flickr

[Split_Pin]

I can't remember the last time I saw a non-XF 95.

[CreepingJesus]

I can't remember the last time I saw a non-XF 95.

 

John Russell had a pair of H-plate 95.360 Spacecabs on the road until about 5-6 years ago. I passed them in convoy, struggling up the M9 away from Newbridge, smoking like a 70's snooker champ. Mismatched bumpers and faded paint all round, but near consecutive Glasgow numbers, so I'm not sure if he'd had those ones from new or not.

[Split_Pin]

Would have loved to have witnessed that!

 

Even rarer are the very early ones with the horizontally divided grille between the brake ducts.

 

Can't believe the Cabtech cab is like, what, 25 years old or something and it still looks good on the latest models.

[wackywacerwill]

Just found this album cover and thought it should be added in this here thread.

 

[oman5]

I can't remember the last time I saw a non-XF 95.

 

It's crazy, I still think of them as a relatively recent truck. The 95 was the first truck I ever drove for wages. Cyril Knowles Ltd had a number of E reg 95s, bought new and kept until they'd run no more-which was roughly when I got given one. A miserable 310 engined example with more miles than the starship enterprise, with the engine stop on the exhaust brake button and fold out writing surface on the steering wheel. (why did nobody else do this? a great idea)

However, knackered or not, they were and are a fantastic truck to drive, excellent driving position, wonderfully comfortable ride like a big armchair. Even the flat roof cab had more interior space than the average truck back then.

I had a '98 XF430 new and that was the best truck for living in bar none.