Puggsly Teh Puglet!Now Rebs - TBC

[Lacquer Peel]

After factoring in the extra cost of more fuel filters, fuel pump issues, and other traumas, and with the price of fuel as it is, is running veg still a cheaper option?

The VE TDI in my Caddy has been running on 95% WVO 5% petrol for 10 months and 18k now. Apart from having to change the fuel filter (£3-5) more often it's not needed any attention.

My waste oil is now free (commercial collector can't access the steep and winding road to the hotel) and very clean.

[320touring]

Bollocks to running big percentages of derv with your veg in an old shitter. Try thinning down the veg with a gallon or three of unleaded per tank. Mine is fine on 5l pez per 50l veg (1:10) at this time of year. Using pez over dino for thinning gives more effect per pound, and allows bigger veg percentages.

yeah , I've used the u/l trick before.

 

I may try pre mixing assuming I get current running issues sorted

[Noel Tidybeard]

jubilee clips are not fit for purpose on diseasel pipery cos they dont tighten properly in a circle- hense they aint used oem

 

was always one of the regulars on the problem pages of diesel car mag

[320touring]

jubilee clips are not fit for purpose on diseasel pipery cos they dont tighten properly in a circle- hense they aint used oem

 

was always one of the regulars on the problem pages of diesel car mag

if needs be I can try refitting the fiddly clips from the old pipe

[Noel Tidybeard]

you just need proper diesel pipe clips

this is the first ones that came up on fleabay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINI-JUBILEE-CLIP-MINI-HOSE-CLIPS-CLAMPS-PIPE-WATER-AIR-DIESEL-PETROL-/301956658831?var=&hash=item464e04f68f:m:mcXew2MUyf-OLGcsCUAxVTQ

[KruJoe]

I've never had bother with genuine Jubilee clips. They're probably too expensive to be used OEM!

[320touring]

I got a replacement filter from a bmw e46 320d and fitted it bypassing the original filter and housing.

 

Initially it was just papped in to see if it'd start. Happily it did.

 

then we got it secured out the way down beside the wheel brace on the inner wing.

 

It performed faultlessly on the trst drive, right up until the Drivers track rod end decided that it'd wobble like fuck..

 

bloody thing!

[forddeliveryboy]

Why scrap the good calliper and keep the bad, just coz of a sheared bleed nipple? Bit of heat and wind the old one out with an extractor, worst case drill then retap. 

 

 

Another Veg car running like shit then!

 

It's as logical to say, 'perhaps another old car running like shit?'. 40% veg at 20C ambient is probably about the same viscosity as 100% diesel at Scottish winter temps.

 

Nothing wrong with used veg if it's polished and dry - preferably rapeseed - it's a better fuel than mineral oil diesel in many respects, but will make worse any existing faults in the fuel and starting systems because of the greater viscosity and ignition point. 

[forddeliveryboy]

The VE TDI in my Caddy has been running on 95% WVO 5% petrol for 10 months and 18k now. Apart from having to change the fuel filter (£3-5) more often it's not needed any attention.

My waste oil is now free (commercial collector can't access the steep and winding road to the hotel) and very clean.

 

Properly filtered, clean waste veg shouldn't need filters any more often than with diesel. I've left mine in for 20k before - if they're needed every 3k then the fuel's dirty or wet.

[320touring]

It appears to have sorted out the fuelling issues for the moment.. I may get some clear line at somepoint.

 

the Octavia was fucked suspensio wise and a touch crispy in the sills too-- wasn't just the air in fuel that did for it:)

 

I know the glowplugs are ok based on thr fact it doesnt smoke like a beagle on cold starts (unlike my 306 did beore I changed the glowplugs)

 

I'll sort the tre and run a tank of derv through it I think.

 

I know I've not made life easy for myself just haranging veg in it but that's life:)

 

on he plus side mose everything fuel related in the engine bay is new now:)

[beko1987]

Properly filtered, clean waste veg shouldn't need filters any more often than with diesel. I've left mine in for 20k before - if they're needed every 3k then the fuel's dirty or wet.

I only changed the fuel filter three times in the zx, and ran that on as much cabbage juice and fresh veg as I could. First time it was black, but who knows when it was last changed. Second time was Oct last year when I got the mix wrong and it gelled up, was still clean though, then I changed it last month whilst itv filmed me doing it (its in the montage on my telly show intro briefly) and it was pretty spotless, tiny bit around the bottom was a bit grey (was a pointless change tbh)

[Tickman]

It performed faultlessly on the test drive, right up until the Drivers track rod end decided that it'd wobble like fuck..

Obviously a good car as it doesn't want to overwhelm you with more then one* problem at a time!

[320touring]

Obviously a good car as it doesn't want to overwhelm you with more then one* problem at a time!

I honestly think there is a good car in there:

 

relativley low miles, few owners and in decent condidtion bodily

[320touring]

In positive news, the track rod ends seem to be sub 8 quid a pop for lemforders.

 

think I'll do both in a decadent spashing of the cash

[beko1987]

Thats what I did with the zx when it all started failing, was sub £50 for a pretty thorough front end refresh all in

 

Was the best bit of thr bloody car in the end, bar the lh strut top bearing

[320touring]

Thats what I did with the zx when it all started failing, was sub £50 for a pretty thorough front end refresh all in

 

Was the best bit of thr bloody car in the end, bar the lh strut top bearing

A further 20 sheets gets new tie rods- may be easier to take the old ones off as 1 unit, and make up the new ones.

[dome]

A further 20 sheets gets new tie rods- may be easier to take the old ones off as 1 unit, and make up the new ones.

 

Have at go at yours first to see how tight they are. Heat is your friend...

[Kiltox]

A further 20 sheets gets new tie rods- may be easier to take the old ones off as 1 unit, and make up the new ones.

 

Depends on access - I've never had much luck removing inner tie rods without taking the ends off first and using the type of tool that goes over the rod 

 

[Lacquer Peel]

Properly filtered, clean waste veg shouldn't need filters any more often than with diesel. I've left mine in for 20k before - if they're needed every 3k then the fuel's dirty or wet.

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, my oil is well settled and shouldn't have any water in it. Fuel heating would help.

[Supernaut]

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, my oil is well settled and shouldn't have any water in it. Fuel heating would help.

There's mod that can be done to an XUD's fuel filter housing that makes it heat the fuel all the time.

 

Underneath the filter housing is little channel that coolant gets pumped through. It has a valve that only pumps it through when the car is cold, but you can silicone in a penny in a strategic place to make it heat the fuel all the time. I did that on my 306 when it was running on veg. I can't remember the exact details (it's been over 3 years since my first and only XUD died!).

[Lacquer Peel]

Don't have an XUD! The VW TDI has a more primitive fuel heating setup with a valve that returns warm fuel from the injection pump to the filter. I ditched mine because it was difficult to seal.

[320touring]

he may have been referring to my XUD;)

 

I know the mod of which you speak supernaut but until such times as I can get the bloody fiilter housing to work, it'll be a no go:(

[forddeliveryboy]

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, my oil is well settled and shouldn't have any water in it. Fuel heating would help.

 

I try and avoid adding petrol at more than 1% (none at all for indirect injection) in all but the coldest times - it can cause some dropout of HMPEs, so add in a cubie and leave a few days, then check the bottom layer for whitish flakes, which melt between your fingers. Fuel heating would solve this prob. and improve the general running no end when it's under 20C ambient.

 

Have you tried a hot pan test? - heat oil up to 100C or just over and listen for crackling of water bubbles exploding. The odd one is fine, if it sounds like a war movie then there's a lot more water than you'd want. In an emulsion (bonded to the oil on a molecular level), it won't drop out though settling alone. Oil should be sparkly clear at 10C.

[twosmoke300]

More faff 😄

[forddeliveryboy]

It all depends on how much time you're prepared to give to saving c£3000 a year and being independent of the fuel network. I spend about 30 minutes a month, which for me makes sense. Spent a couple of days organising and building the settling, filtration and storage originally.

 

But I agree, the faff which some have just isn't worth it. Oil which goes in the tank must be clean and dry, fuel lines and joints need to be airtight, plugs need to glow properly and injectors don't want to be worn. 

 

One of the best results of this is that it made me look at the cost of other fuel, so now I'm less dependent on the grid and other infrastructure and spending a lot less. Why pay to heat your water or power your home when the sun will do it for nothing? Even in Scotland there's 900kWh of energy falling on every square metre, annually. Makes sense to harvest it.

[twosmoke300]

I must admit I don't so many miles ( in cornwall ) but with running my own business and a 17 month old at home I would rather be with her than farting around with veg oil . Also reliability matters to me . If I can't get into work I could loose customers

[twosmoke300]

And all my vehicles bar the van are petrol 😄

[forddeliveryboy]

Aye, but the reliability thing isn't anything to do with veg, it's to do with the user and whether or not he is putting clean and dry fuel in the tank, whether or not his vehicle is running properly or not and whether any simple mods have been made to guarantee sub-zero use at high %s. 

 

The added benefit is that a veg-able fuel system will be so tough and simple it'll be more reliable than a fragile CR system with 101 sensors and Chinese whispers running on forecourt fuel. 

[Lacquer Peel]

Part of my problem is processing oil that probably isn't ready yet out of desperation.

[beko1987]

I couldn't be bothered to filter my own tbh. I brimmed up with diesel earlier and didn't feel bad.

 

But, its nice to know that if fuel ever goes above £1.10p/l again I can walk into asda, but 60l for £1/l and keep going! I didn't have an xud during the last fuel 'crisis' so dont know if they limit the quantity of fresh veg, but I'll just go on a tour of the supermarkets and stock up.

 

I really rate cabbage juice though, thats always welcome!