For Sale PSA Super-mini Shootout + surprise sell off

[mouseflakes]

Okay, nothing like as exciting as it sounds. Probably limited interest in this TBH.

 

I really liked our old Saxo 1.5 dizzler (was a total loss after attempted theft from a respite hospice car park - nice).

 

There's a very tidy Mk1 Peugeot 106 1.5 dizzler (5 door) not that far from me. Low miles. £400 or thereabouts.

 

Not far from that, there's a Mk1 Saxo 1.4i (3 door). Lower miles. £300.

 

Both long test.

 

I've often been tempted to try either Saxo or 106 with 1.4 petrol powa - but then I did reeeeeally like the old dizzler.

 

So - anyone had both these engine/car combinations (either engine in either car)? What are the pros/cons of one over the other?

 

(If I could, I'd get both and then decide after trying them out!)

[face]

I've had neither, so no sodding help here.

 

But I do quite like MK1 106s.

[KruJoe]

Yo buddy! The following news may be of interest to you...

In the next month or so, we may have a surplus of 106 dizzlers...

 

 

The green one has gone. (John_K, as usual!)

I'm enjoying my blue early mk1 TUD3, though it needs a test in about six weeks, and I only bought it (from Cavcraft) as a stop-gap until our Will gets his BX on the road and sells me his red 1.5 mk1 (Bosch). That was the plan anyway.

 

So one or the other will need re-homing, probably the red one.

 

How soon do you need a motor?

[mouseflakes]

How soon do you need a motor?

 

It's not really a case of 'need' - just greed

 

Cheers Joe. I may well check out these others I've seen (they both look very nice), but if I'm still after one when yours come up I could be interested (though I doubt you'll struggle to find new homes for them).

[twosmoke300]

I'm picking up a lovely Saxo d on sat ! Mental miles (180k) but Full - proper full service history and a new rear axle last year

[KruJoe]

M_Flakes, just thinking aloud here... do you still have the remains of your old Saxo?

[mouseflakes]

Sadly, no.

[Parky]

Not those combinations but I have experience of 106 petrols and diesels and an admittedly short run in a Saxo.

 

I am not a huge diesel fan at the best of times and the 106 was dire. However it was the 1400 diesel which was incredibly slow. Apparently the 1500 engine is a lot better

 

As far as driving goes, I thought the Saxo had a nicer dash but I preferred the styling of the Pug. Given a choice I would probably take the petrol 106 as I think it's nicer to look at and the small petrol engine suits it better. Plus the mark 1's must be getting perilously close to classic status (another one to rustproof and store in a barn for the future I think).

 

Do the Autoshite thing. Buy both, put the petrol engine in the Pug, bung the diesel in the Saxo and flick it on!

[mouseflakes]

Thanks for that. I'd happily have another 1.5D. With a bit of forward planning you can keep them barrelling along nicely. And they use literally no fuel. None.

 

I'd really like to know what the TU3 is like. With 75hp a 106/Saxo must be quite nippy?

 

I'm coming to the conclusion the 5 door has a nicer profile than the 3 which looks a bit slab-sided.

[Parky]

Interestingly I prefer the three - the car is teeny anyway and the back doors are about the same size as an envelope so I didn't find them that practical. Although it did mean when I dropped off my gf and her friends off at a bar, they had their own doors so I didn't have to leave the comfort of my seat to let them out. Or get out to let them in in the pissing rain!

[Lacquer Peel]

I drove an early carburetted 4 speed 106 1.1 a while ago and thought it was a 1.4 it went so well, even with three of us in the car.

I am a total diesel licker but they are great to drive with the petrol engines and probably very fuel efficient because they weigh nothing.

[KruJoe]

This 106 TUD3 of mine isn't rapid, but it's definitely not "dire" or "incredibly slow".

 

It encourages you to be a good, thoughtful driver, planning ahead, and teaches you how to make the most of what it has to offer. I enjoy driving most cars, and I enjoy driving this.

[Parky]

The 1.1 I had wasn't bad on juice, generally around 45 mpg in mostly town driving as I recall.

 

It was very fuel sensitive though. The timing was definitely off as it ran like an angel on Total Super unleaded but like a dog on regular 95. Economy was much worse on the cheaper stuff too. Anyone who says that fuel quality makes no difference would be welcome to try that car for themselves - however we would need to go back to 1996 in order for that to happen, and you would have to listen to my Depeche Mode mega mix on cassette through the twin speakers during the test run

[Parky]

This 106 TUD3 of mine isn't rapid, but it's definitely not "dire" or "incredibly slow".It encourages you to be a good, thoughtful driver, planning ahead, and teaches you how to make the most of what it has to offer. I enjoy driving most cars, and I enjoy driving this.

True, forward planning was essential and once it got to speed it was ok. I should add in its defence it got me to Cornwall from Essex on about half a tank of Dizzle (and that's when it was cheaper than petrol too) so no complaints on the economy.

 

I suppose my negative view is because of the acceleration in gear. Overtaking slower vehicles was a bit of an issue as the 1400 took a while to get going and impatient 25 year olds like me might have had one or two near misses while screaming "fuck fuck fuck fuck go faster go faster COME ON!".

 

I will also add that I never needed to take a single laxative during my ownership of that car

[Formula Autos]

Not those combinations but I have experience of 106 petrols and diesels and an admittedly short run in a Saxo.

 

I am not a huge diesel fan at the best of times and the 106 was dire. However it was the 1400 diesel which was incredibly slow. Apparently the 1500 engine is a lot better

 

As far as driving goes, I thought the Saxo had a nicer dash but I preferred the styling of the Pug. Given a choice I would probably take the petrol 106 as I think it's nicer to look at and the small petrol engine suits it better. Plus the mark 1's must be getting perilously close to classic status (another one to rustproof and store in a barn for the future I think).

 

Do the Autoshite thing. Buy both, put the petrol engine in the Pug, bung the diesel in the Saxo and flick it on!

I had a 1400 dizzler 106 as my daily driver around the turn of the millennium. A good, economical car, but extremely slow.

 

I've since tried the 1500 version and it's amazing the difference around 100cc (and no doubt a few other small tweaks) made. It turned a car from feeling underpowered into one that felt it had just the 'right' engine for its weight. If that makes sense?

 

In summary: 1.5D is the way to go if you're set on a dizzler.

 

I've also tried a 1.1 pez and was also pleasantly surprised by it. It really does move along nicely and the presumably lighter engine seems to make it even sharper dynamically than the dizzler a, with good handling and noticeably better braking. The 1.1 I tried though was an early-ish one though, with 3 stud wheels (FTW) and only 4 speeds. A K-plater, IIRC. Drove well, but the gearbox put me off as I was doing a bit of motorway miles at the time and lack of a fifth gear seemed as though it would have made it unbearably noisy at motorway speeds. Though memories are hazy, and I may be a complete twunt who judged that wrong.

 

Good little cars these 106s and Saxos, and a good number seem to survive.

 

Mine seemed a bit fragile around the edges, but it's French innit? - they're like that are French cars. Basically solid though, and always fun to chuck around the twisty bits, even when fitted with a slightly underwhelming dizzler engine.

[mouseflakes]

Thanks for that ^. Yes, the 1.5 D in our Saxo seemed spot on for the car and would definitely be one of my choices. Hearing all the good noises about the 1100 petrol makes me think the 1400 could be real a hoot. Anyone know?

[Parky]

Not for certain but more horses probably equals more fun. And 1100cc is adequate so 1400cc should be more than adequate. The car weighs less than a matchbox so in theory a 1.4 will be just short of hot hatch territory.

 

A 106 Rallye will always be welcome in my dream garage!

[spartacus]

I've driven both and would go for the petrol, I did a head gasket once on a 1500 diesel and in a very short time it has eaten away at the material between the cylinders, I only just managed to rescue it.

[mouseflakes]

I might have been lucky with our 1.5D. It got to 110,000 miles with just routine maintenance and one fuel pump solenoid. Nothing else.

 

Hmmm  - decisions, decisions (will probably end up deciding not to get either - but interesting to find out all the info anyway!).

[KruJoe]

 

This red one is now available, 1.5 D Mk1, £300 including 100litres of clean veg to match it's Boschtasticness. MOT to end Nov. Cameron is also keen for one of these...

[mouseflakes]

Now - is that the one with the replacement tailgate?

[KruJoe]

[M'coli]

That's a point - I'd like to have a go in the TUD3 106; I had the TUD5 AX earlier in the year and found it excellent despite not fitting it properly - it was easily the equal of the 1.1 petrol 106 sitting outside at the moment, but...

...I had a TUD3 Metro 13 years ago, and the memory of that engine in that car was of it being underpowered - does the 106 seem the same?

[KruJoe]

"Underpowered"? It's all in the mind really. I can still scare people in mine

 

The red one's a TUD5, my blue one's the 1360cc.

Have a go next time you're up...

[explosive-cabbage]

 

FOR SALE

 

MK1 106 Deisel TUD5

 

£300 with 100L of veg thrown in.

MOT 27th November

Available immediately

 

GOOD:

 

Veg Friendly - running 75veg/25derv

Very economical

Suprisingly quick

Fun to drive!

Reasonably comfortable

Good suspension, no knocks from struts or rear beam

No unusual noises

Spares available from Saxo 1.5D breaker

Low milage (95,000 ish)

Very tidy underneath, minor scabbyness, but no major rust. Couple patches have welded near the rear of the subframe

Towball electrics fitted, and towball included (not fitted)

 

BAD:

Oil leak from sump gasket

Torn cloth on the driver's seat bolster (does not effect comfort)

Sealed up sunroof

Laquer peel on bonnet

Crazed indicators on the front, one of the rear clusters is cracked

Slight knock from nearside driveshaft at full lock

Exhaust noisy - Fixed tonight!

Drivers door check strap will not allow door to open fully, only to about 45 degrees, but I manage okay (can include a spare one from the Saxo)

Passenger door has been bent outwards at the top, so slight wind noise if you are sat in the passenger seat, not noticable from drivers seat

[KruJoe]

 

 

 

 

[Eddie Honda]

Have some proper pez engined misery with the TU9...

[Parky]

Looks proper nice!

[Cavcraft]

£300 with 100 litres of fuel? Mega bargain.

[M'coli]

I'm still interested...