MOT Man gen me up - Daylight MOT

[UltraWomble]

So I have in my watch list a nice enough looking Kwakka KE175 - putting aside the fact that someone has robbed the 175 lump and popped in a Suzuki 100cc donkey it also has no lights.

The seller assures me it has a "daylight" MOT - and sure enough it shows as MOT'd until October.

 

BUT

 

I was led to believe that a bike still needed a minimum of a stop lamp operated by the brake levers, a reflector and full size number plate.

I forgot to ask if it had a horn, but Im assuming not seing as there is bugger all else electrical on the bike.

 

Im also under the impression that if a bike had lights as OE then they cant be removed - they have to be there for the test.

 

I dont want to luz a few hundred at this and then discover that I cant use the damn thing as the next MOT man fails it miserably.

 

Can anyone enlighten me at all (boom-tish)

 

This may all be superficial as I might just bend the plastic and buy a brand spanker MSX Honda.... Trouble is I wouldnt takethe Honda anyplace whereas the Kwak could be used to greenlane...

[scaryoldcortina]

Daylight MoT status means NO lights. You don't need a stop lamp under the rules if you have binned all the other lights too. It sounds insane, but it's true. OE fitment doesn't count either - eg if you present a bike with no indicators that should have them it will fail. Spend 5 minutes outside the test station removing all other lights as well and bingo! passed but daytime only.

[Barry Cade]

Correct SOC, this used to cause all sorts of issues when I was MOTing bikes, usually track bikes for Knockhill, or mad things like road registered CR500's. All or nothing. No in betweens, if it has a headlight, it needs everything else. Lights can be "permanently disconnected" though.

 

A daylight MOT would require a motorbike to have a horn and a rear registration plate.


The testing guidelines state that motorbikes can be exempt from having lamps tested if they meet the following criteria:-

machines which have neither front nor rear position lamps, or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are:-

 

• only used in daylight hours
• not used in times of serious reduced visibility

The following items/lamps are not required to be tested in order for a MOT to pass a daylight MOT test as long as they meet the criteria above.

• Front and Rear position lamps
• Headlamps
• Stop Lamps
• Rear Reflectors
• Direction Indicators

VOSA can only advise on MOT standards queries. For information on the legal requirements you will need to address your enquiry to the Department for Transport, as they deal with the Construction and Use Regulations and Road Law.

[UltraWomble]

Cool

I'll see if I win the Tomos and if not I'll make an offer on this Kwakka.

[PiperCub]

There was a bloke where I used to live with a trailie running on a 'daylight' MoT, had no lights or reflector but was registered (had a plate) and had a bicycle-type manual bulb horn which was apparantly OK & legal! I think the thing had only electrics for the ignition and nothing else.  

[scaryoldcortina]

Yes. same rules as bikes, you can bin all the lights including the brake lamps if you have removed the front and rear position lamps (sidelights) and you are only allowed to use the vehicle during the day and not at times of restricted visibility.

[Barry Cade]

Could I get a daylight Mot for a car?

How many wheels has it got?

[twosmoke300]

Ke175s are awesome . Had mine for 20 years and use it for everything

[UltraWomble]

Ke175s are awesome . Had mine for 20 years and use it for everything

But a KE175 with a Suzuki 100cc engine might be lacking a bit of grunt. Cheap enough though and will fill the "classic" want I have at the moment....

[purplebargeken]

Have seen a few daylight only bikes over the years, sounds a bit mad but as said above, it is legit. 

 

Daylight only car would fit in well down here as no-one seems to use their lights anyway. 

[Jerzy Woking]

I've had a few daylight MOT bikes (quite often just with the lighting loom disconnected or cut through. All of the one's I had were fitted with a brake light either by the previous owner or myself. I like some form of self presevation!

 

As for the Kawasaki, it's a good deal if it goes for the right price. KE engines do come up for sale sometimes so if the chassis is good it's worth looking out for one.

[castros_bro]

There is no such thing as a Daylight MOT, there is only one MOT but it may have an advisory on it about using said vehicle in reduced visibility or darkness if lights are not fitted when it was tested. .  If you get an MOT when lights are not fitted then subsequently fit lights you DO NOT have to get a "Daylight MOT" to use the vehicle  in reduced visibility or darkness.  The full quote below is misleading as it confuses MOT standards and road law. For an MOT you dont need a speedo but its against the law not to have a speedo fitted and working if being used on the public road (mopeds differ as they are speed restricted)

 

 

Dear Samir,

Thank you for your e-mail enquiry dated 4th May 2010, concerning daytime MOT's.
A daylight MOT would require a motorbike to have a horn and a rear registration plate.
The testing guidelines state that motorbikes can be exempt from having lamps tested if they meet the following criteria:-
machines which have neither front nor rear position lamps, or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are:-

• only used in daylight hours
• not used in times of serious reduced visibility

The following items/lamps are not required to be tested in order for a MOT to pass a daylight MOT test as long as they meet the criteria above.
Front and Rear position lamps

• Headlamps
• Stop Lamps
• Rear Reflectors
• Direction Indicators

VOSA can only advise on MOT standards queries. For information on the legal requirements you will need to address your enquiry to the Department for Transport, as they deal with the Construction and Use Regulations and Road Law.
The Department for Transport can be telephoned on 0300 330 3000, or you can visit their website at www.dft.gov.uk for further contact information.
I hope this information has assisted you with your enquiry, but if you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us again.
 

Kind Regards,

Robert Evans
VOSA Contact Centre
Operations Directorate
Tel: 0300 123 9000

 

[scruff]

There's a "character" in the series Landy world who had a 109 with a daylight MOT. He drove it around like this for quite a while

 

[Guest Hooli]

I thought the switches had to be removed as well as the lights?

[xtriple]

I had a daylight MOT on my Greeves (I know daylight MOT is a misnomer) and after it passed, I put a battery powered brake light on it, too scary without! Also got my IT465 MOT'd without lights ( I was in a rush to use it!) and then fitted them later.

 

 

 

 

 

[fordperv]

They are a pair of lovely looking 2 wheelers

[castros_bro]

Wot lights? I do have an acetylene lamp which belonged to my Granddad but haven't found the MOT nor road regs  which cover it.

 

 

[PiperCub]

Always wanted a Yam IT for some reason, but the prices are too silly for my pocket. (Most are imports from the USA which doesn't help). 

 

 

Castros_Bro: Remember reading in Radco's (the late Frank Farrington) Vintage motorcycle workshop book that acetylene lamps aren't lighting as far the the MoT is concerned and are for 'Decorative purposes only' if I recall the phrase correctly. I don't know if this is still the case now as the book was written in the 80's I think but as anything that old won't need an MoT anyway I doubt it matters! 

[Cavcraft]

Years back we were told if a bike had indicators fitted they had to work. If you simply removed (all) the indicators they passed. Someone somewhere must have discovered a metric shitload of KH250 ones that I threw away.

[martc]

...and you are only allowed to use the vehicle during the day and not at times of restricted visibility.

 

With the weather we have at the moment you'll be spending plenty of time cowering under bridges waiting for the apocalyptic hail to pass.

 

Lets hope it doesn't start just before dusk, it will be a long cold wait until dawn gets out of her bed.

[Guest Hooli]

Wot lights? I do have an acetylene lamp which belonged to my Granddad but haven't found the MOT nor road regs  which cover it.

 

 

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That looks brilliant.

 

I'd fit the lamps, just for the entertainment of confusing plod at 4am half way up the M1.