slidey sidey ways times, the joy of e46 ASC button

[Tamworthbay]

Very frosty round my way this morning so thought I would see what the 3 series is like without elastic trickery helping out. The answer is hilariously bad. My capri doesn't slide as easily as this thing. Even the slightest touch of the loud pedal resulted in me doing a juha kankinen impression. The works car park was a place of great joy! I know the electronics tame it but still surprised just how bad it was. My last two dailies (mgb gt and mx5) were nowhere near as easy to provoke. Looks like I will be walking when it snows.

[fordperv]

Omgdriftweapon

[oldcars]

Class. Reliant is great fun in the snow. I may* have drifted out of the street this morning. 10inch kingpin tyres are for winners.

[garbaldy]

Yes they are gid fun, the new ones are not though as you can't do full donuts because the traction cuts back in mid way round,

My pickup is leathal in the wet as well and it will do donuts

[Junkman]

The best steed for slideways motoring I ever had, was a C-Rekord Caravan 1900S with Summer radials up front and Winter crossplies on the back.

[NorfolkNWeigh]

I'd go so far as to say modern traction controls that don't fully turn off are dangerous. On my e280 dizzler with the ESP switched off* it will let it slide just enough that the drift God driver ( me obvs) is about to collect it up in a super smooth manoeuvre and power slide out of the corner, when it goes "Ah! Got in Himmel, ze stupid Tommy is about to have ein acksizent, I vill cut zee power suddenly zen tighten his seatbelt. Put ze drivers seat backrest upright and put on ze flicker flacken hazardz.

The sudden lurch to the straight ahead is not pretty or conducive to impressing orange skinned Milfs in Range Rovers.

 

Give me a traction control that can be turned off, or as my youngest explained it to her mum ,whilst out in her S-Type when she was 5;" Mummy,when it snows press that button by the gear-lever to make the orange light come on , then we can play Waltzing Teapots on roundabouts ,like Daddy does."

Needless to say many,many bollockings were received- deservedly so, I suppose.

 

(Apologies to our resident Austrians- my German comes from 1970's Battle comics)

[fordperv]

^ I've just nearly choked at the young un getting you in the crap, waltzing teapots on roundabouts, bloody brilliant,

 

The only traction control aids I know are my right and left foot and that's good enough for me.

[Tamworthbay]

^ I've just nearly choked at the young un getting you in the crap, waltzing teapots on roundabouts, bloody brilliant,

The only traction control aids I know are my right and left foot and that's good enough for me.

I do find it scary that bmw made a car that most people would kill themselves in without the asc on. I have an unhealthy obsession with making rwd drive cars point the wrong way so think it's an absolute hoot, but most people aren't of that mind and many seem to only have two positions on the throttle, on and off. I presume the car would still drive with an asc fault so anyone of he lead foot variety would very rapidly find themselves attached to a lamppost. But I know for a fact there is no way it will get off our road in the snow, the hill isn't really steep but it won't make it I bet. Mind you, I am normally the only one who gets off anyway.

[fordperv]

The problem I find with modern rwd with traction control, their rear tyres are too wide to drive decent in the snow, mrs fp experienced this last year in her works merc in the real bad snow, it had lawn roller size rear tyres as soon as she made any progress pulling away the wheels slipped and the traction cut the power so she didn't proceed, she switched the traction off and it drove marginally better and she piloted it back, she has pedalled my sierra and my Capri in the snow without getting stuck so I know it's not her driving, she takes the keys to the tourneo instead now she hates the merc

[Tamworthbay]

Despite being top of the range someone has very sensibly fitted mine with 15" rims shod in 195s. Far cheaper to replace and more comfy as well as being better in the snow than rubber bands.

[scaryoldcortina]

I did some OMG sideways action today too. I was moving cars around and decided to shift my Mk2 cortina because I knew it would start (because Zetec). Out of its space, and down the yard it went, as I turned it into the lane (frozen solid) it decided to not go forward. I prodded the go pedal. The back moved - straight round in a perfect 180 to face the other way.

 

6 months standing = sticky front brakes.

[320touring]

e46 can be fun with the esc off- fairly easy to get out on crap tyres, but enough info to let you keep it going..

 

spent a morning sliding one about cones on a skid training day at Knockhill.

 

cannae be any more step ooty than an e30

[chaseracer]

cannae be any more step ooty than an e30

 

Aye, they were fun*.  I was once a passenger in a yuppie-red 318i that decided to do a spontaneous three-sixty past Wandsworth Common at half-one of a damp late-80s morning.  The driver was a passenger too, on that occasion...

[MarvinsMom]

the jaguar i have is positively lethal in snow and icy conditions.

 

fortunately the traction control and LSD mean that it is more likely just to grind to a halt before doing stupid tail out nonsense.

 

last time that happened it was on a gently rising street in the middle of the housing estate near work, though me not moving didn't stop some half wit running right but behind me  the hazard lights and even the reversing lamps coming on didn't help the dopey tart driving work out that i had not stopped for fun but was in fact stuck.....

 

and no amount of her hooting on the horn on her car was going to change that!

[320touring]

Aye, they were fun*. I was once a passenger in a yuppie-red 318i that decided to do a spontaneous three-sixty past Wandsworth Common at half-one of a damp late-80s morning. The driver was a passenger too, on that occasion...

They're food fun in the snow even with am open diff. that said fit an LSD and it becomes almost competent..

[fatharris]

I'm dreading the impending snowfall with Herman, being RWD, powerful, and an auto.

 

Will probably insure the MG for a week and use it when it happens.

 

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[Tamworthbay]

The auto just completes the fun! I was even playing with the steptronic this morning.

[gordonbennet]

Daughter had a 320d compact some good few years ago, i'd just given the thing a service and was returning home, normal wet roundabout TC apparently working, full effin broadside arse send straight out, drove back gingerly and double checked the new tyres she'd had fitted to the rear, some Sumitomo shit, slung those put Vred Ultracs on, grip resumed.

[Vince70]

I think it's down to tyres as although mine can lose its rear it does need to be provoked to manage that plus it's quite predictable when it's going to let go and it's running on horrible Pirreli P6000s so not the best tyre in the world for grip by a long shot but it's never going to be an Impreza or Quattro.

 

But I've the older generation compact and I think the rear suspension on those is even older and dates from the E30 so it might behave differently as it's never been fitted with any traction control and once the tyres are worn out I'm going for a decent set of all season tyres with a bit of grip..

 

But your most probably driving yours a lot more than me plus a slush box and a big six pot can't help and mine basically just rolls down a hill to the train station in the morning so It's not getting much use and doesn't see roundabouts or to many salty roads if I can help it.

 

It's worth watching some of those YouTube videos where you see the difference a tyre makes to an old BMW.

 

[gordonbennet]

^^ i bet the poor sod trying to get some kip in the bloody lorry was impressed by the unexhaust on that bimmer

[overrun]

Yes they are gid fun, the new ones are not though as you can't do full donuts because the traction cuts back in mid way round,

My pickup is leathal in the wet as well and it will do donuts

 

Keep that button pressed down for longer!

[xtriple]

550lb/ft and slippery roads with ZERO traction control equals lots of action of a most undignified manner! Oh, and it's got very good tyres (Avon CR something I think) with lots of tread.