Brand new shite - wud u?

[garethj]

You're all rubbish at this depreciation lark.  I know someone who's just bought a Rolls Royce, it's 3 years old with 10,000 miles on the clock.  Finished in wedding car white which probably hasn't helped residuals, but it cost £225,000.  That's a lot of money, but brand new it was close to £500,000.

 

The first owner is probably running the company that my pension is invested in, time to do a Ken Dodd and stick it all under the mattress because it would be safer.

 

But too much talk like this is like being at a dinner party where everyone tells you how much more their house is worth, and I consider you lot my friends so I can't hack you all to a lifeless pulp with a machete.

[HH-R]

I know a fair few people who get a new Corsa every 3 years, pay the £150 a month or whatever it is and then just hand it back at the end of the term and get another brand spanker. £1800 a year without (in theory) worrying about repairs (tyres should last that long as long as you're not unlucky and get a puncture), MOTs or tax isn't too bad, it seems to work for them. No depreciation to worry about either. The low mileage allowance these deals usually come with would hammer me though.

[sierraman]

For me this thread is best concluded with that its great people buy new cars otherwise I'd have no old 'uns to buy. However it's not for me buying a new one, as I'm tight and can't see the value in it. I squander my spare money going out for a drink or on my family.

 

That said when Insignias are worth about a grand or so the 1.8 SRI would be worth a punt. A lot complain about the fuel economy but forget its almost the same size as a Senator/omega. Try getting 30mpg out of one of those...

[Tetleysmooth]

FTFY.

 

 

Meanwhile, I've just been to see a new Viva. I quite liked it.

They were visitors Billy.

The lady next door doesn't own a car - wise.

[warren t claim]

Of course. Of course it was. Ha ha ha ha! I should have bought one of those stupid Korean cars and slit my wrists instead! ROFL. How DARE I expect a modern car to be reliable! The pub experts never lie!!!!!

 

Yeah, those VAG alternatives, they're so brilliant. LOL LOL what a quality car (LOL).

 

They refused on six occasions to put faults right. Repeated letter writing and calls to the dealer and Citroen (or Citreon) UK, then to head office in France, fell on deaf ears.

So, they were not 'happy to fix them', were they? No.

 

You know, because they refused outright. HELPFUL! Cheers lads.

 

 

I fail to see how having problems with your Citroën has anything to do with VW.

[warren t claim]

Do these entry level Insignias still come with keep fit windows in the back?

[Cavcraft]

I fail to see how having problems with your Citroën has anything to do with VW.

 

 

I think he's referring to them as an alternative to the Citroen.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Just feel sorry for the poor sods who spunk out all the wonga brand new for summat like a big Bimmer, only for it to be worth almost half less than 12 months later

 

I don't. Part of the new car buying process HAS to involve the knowledge that it will lose thousands and thousands of pounds. My original point was that the 14k Insignia has ten grand less to fall than an equivalent 318i whilst doing a pretty similar job.

[Timewaster]

That said when Insignias are worth about a grand or so the 1.8 SRI would be worth a punt. A lot complain about the fuel economy but forget its almost the same size as a Senator/omega. Try getting 30mpg out of one of those...

No No No. The SRi is horrible. Rock hard seats, rock hard suspension and rubber band tyres make it a really tiresome thing to drive.

I've never tried a standard spec one.

[JohnK]

I hired a 1.8 SRi last October. Really under-powered car. It was a perfectly decent enough car to bumble around in, but I would have a different engine if I was going to buy one.

[sierraman]

1.4 turbot sounds good.

[Justin Case]

Have you actually ever painted anything?

I have and from personal experience, I can assure you, that watching paint dry is right up among the most exciting things there are to do on this planet,

the end results can be very interesting indeed, it would require some fundamental research to explain what the bloody hell just happned and the cost

to rectify it is usually life changing. Watching paint dry is truly living on the edge!

 

I also find watching paint dry quite exciting, especially waiting to see how different the colour on the wall is from the colour on the lid of the tin.

[Austin-Rover]

I did the new car thing in October. I 'ummd' and 'ahhd' over doing so for months prior to making the order but I eventually collected enough 'pros' over 'cons' that I went and ordered a Logan diesel.

 

Amongst my 'pros' are;

 

It is unlikely to leave me stranded any time this decade, it does 25mpg more than any petrol powered vehicle I currently have access to, I can put LOADS of parts in the back of it for the old crap I don't drive as often any more, the whole Dacia anti-fashion not-leeping-up-with-the-Joneses thing really appeals to me.

 

To be honest, the only other new car I would have considered would be an MG'3' - but I may as well take a loan out, then set fire to the notes than get one of those. I'd still be in something 'old' had Renault not started importing Dacias.

 

I know 99.999% of people don't give a second thought to getting a car on the never never - I still think to myself it's a bit naughty and someone will come along and tell me off! I think I surprised the salesman by saying I actually want to keep it when I've finished paying for it. I presume everyone these days 'rents' for three years and gives it back?

 

 

 

[C1am]

Full report here or in a new thread please, I'd love to know what you think of it.

[Noel Tidybeard]

no, i wouldn't in the least like a civic tourer 1.6/1.8 sr in either twighlight blue or passion red

not one bit

no

never

[strangeangel]

 Dacia

 

I've never paid more than £500 for a car, and nor will I ever. Mrs SA, however, doesn't share my philosophy (fancy that!) and wants to replace her '06 Panda sometime soon with something new or nearly new.

 

One of her workmates had a Logan as a courtesy car not long ago and she liked it, so Dacia could be an option. Please do keep us posted as to how you get on with it!

[Austin-Rover]

11,000 miles so far since October. Fit and finish is top notch (quality of materials possibly not on par with more mainstream stuff). Nothing rattles, squeaks or has fallen off. Nothing broken. Everything seems hard wearing and built to last. You can see where corners are cut in terms of design and finish, but these don't compramise the car. I can count on one hand the (minor) irritating niggles.

 

It is light (for a Modern) amd it goes well with the 1.5 DCi. I imagine the petrols wouldn't be lively when full though!

 

I am very pleased with it. It has character (hard to find in a car these days) and simplistic charm. Would I reccomed it? Yes. However, I would expect ,my reccomendations to be dismissed out of hand due to badge snobbery. More fool them.

[Junkman]

Just feel sorry for the poor sods who spunk out all the wonga brand new for summat like a big Bimmer, only for it to be worth almost half less than 12 months later

 

I did this three times for chod that was much more carefully designed for rapid depreciation, than big Bimmers are.

Yet there is neither need for you to feel sorry for me, nor am I a poor sod.

[Lacquer Peel]

http://www.lada.ru/lp/more_benefits/4x4/

[robinmasters]

I'm sure we've all considered buying OMG BRAN NU at some stage but been put off by the frankly mental prices of new cars

Nope. Never. All that depreciation, just to have something the same but newer makes no sense to me; a new insignia does exactly the same as a ten year old vectra, in almost exactly the same way.

 

It'd have to be a fairly special car to make me willing to lose nearly £3k a year on it.

[JohnK]

A-R - if you don't mind me asking, how much did that Dacia set you back?

 

My neighbour gets a new car every 3 years and chopped in his '60 plate Mondeo TDCi for a (then) brand new '63 Dacia Logan 1.5 DCi.

 

It's a base spec in black with wheel trims and it makes me think 'what's the point' every morning when I walk past it. I've had a sit in it and a good look around it though and it's not too bad I guess.

Yours however looks a lot more appealing in a proper colour with alloys.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

No No No. The SRi is horrible. Rock hard seats, rock hard suspension and rubber band tyres make it a really tiresome thing to drive.

I've never tried a standard spec one.

 

 

Yes to this. The seats are nice but the ride is too firm. The standard one with 16's and 65 profile rubber is the one to have. They still steer and handle well.

[Asimo]

http://www.lada.ru/lp/more_benefits/4x4/

 

 

http://www.markkey.co.uk/

[Taff]

I've mentioned this elsewhere but there are times/situations where brand new motoring is attractive.

 

While we like playing with our collective chod (stop sniggering), it's only fun when it's a hobby. I always hated having to fix the wifes car on a weekend, knowing that she needed it for Monday morning. That kind of a hard deadline meant that no matter how well prepared for the task in hand, something would snap/shear/get lost and leave the job unfinished and he not able to get to work. Plus it wasn't fun

 

The brand spankers Fiat 500 on finance came with zero tax, no MoTs, cheap insurance and a warranty. No more working on her car at the weekend and, added bonus, the baby Fiat has a pretty good RV as well, so it wasn't loosing to much money.

 

Of course, we have since split and she can only just afford it now I'm not there to chip in. Ironic that I have just spent all my spare money on another Fiat, eh?

[sierraman]

The Dacia appeals to me in the sense it's one of those cars you can picture battered as fuck in a village in France somewhere, just keeps going. Still I wouldn't buy a new one on the basis if fear of it breaking down. I see far more new cars sat at the side of the M1 than I do old ones.

[Justin Case]

Now that evry car on the market is cuddly, allows you to keep in touch with the more shallow of your friends without leaving the car and guarantees you a parking spot in front of the trendiest watering holes (according o the adverts) it is becoming more and more difficult to find a new car that meets the Autoshite criteria, ie serviceable but completely unlovable by anyone not resident in this parish

 

Good shout however on the Dacia, let's just hope that it doesn't become a cool anti-fashion statement

[Essex V6]

Also, the attitude of 'ALL NU CARZ R SHIT' and 'ANY1 WHO PAYZ MORE THAN £20 AND A BROKEN XBOX FOR A CAR IS AN IDIOT' attitude that sometimes surfaces around here gets on my tits.

 

To me, Autoshite isn't just about running some old nail thats at deaths door as cheaply as possible and then throwing it away but about enjoying older, unloved stuff that the general public just doesn't 'get'. Theres plenty of people here who invest not inconsiderable sums and a good amount of time in cars that the general public would consider utter shit and wonder why on earth they don't just by a new XXXX.  

Autoshite doesn't have to be twenty odd year old stuff but its just doing your motoring in a way thats different to the new car ever three years / PCP that mainstream people like. Whether that is buying cars at three years old and running them until they drop or a succession of life expired old crocks well its all good.

Excellent post Mr Lobster!

 

The hostility towards the guy with the three year old 1 series BMW is crazy - if thats what you want to drive then surely buying at 3 years old when its already dropped over £15K is the way to do it.

 

Theres plenty of new cars that I would have were it that I could afford it. When its time comes, my by now 11 year old daily will be replaced by something at probably 2-3 years old and the cycle starts again - I'll run it until I've had my moneys worth.

 

Finally, whilst I love old cars I don't get the 'soulless mass produced modern boxes' thing - yes new cars are mass produced and mainly not that interesting but then at the time the exact same would have applied to everything built 20, 30 or 40 years back. Marinas weren't carefully assembled by skilled artisans who made each one a unique specimen and filled with love and character. 

 

Anyway, rant over. Just my 2p.

[Essex V6]

Excellent post Mr Lobster!

[fraser.innes.3]

Jeez, what kind of mug spends £14,999 on a second-hand BMW 1 series diesel?

That would be me for my wife. After bringing up my 2 kids she deserves what she want. I personally was trying to push her towards a DB7.

[Taff]

That would be me for my wife. After bringing up my 2 kids she deserves what she want. I personally was trying to push her towards a DB7.

 

I quite like the 1-series, had two of them as company cars. far worse cars out there. especially if you have got a decent spec that someone else paid for