Panic panic the EU + Her Maj Gov are going to ban diesel engined vehicles

[STUNO]

             

 

 

                    DON'T  PANIC

                            YET

[STUNO]

YET  yet ----- stupid sounding word. Who invented that ?

[Partridge]

Yeah, good luck getting that one through, dickheads.

[UltraWomble]

 

Couldn't really give a monkey's about diesels getting banned from cities. To be honest, cars should have been banned from cities aeons ago. They don't seem to work there very well. As long as I can live in the middle of nowhere and still run old oil-burning tat, then I'll be happy. Ish.

I have no qualms about London adopting this attitude as I dont live there, but when I do go there once in a blue moon, I find their public transport infrastructure very good ( now that I have got my head round the whole Oyster card thing).

 

If Preston was to adapt something like this then it would be frankly shit because their public transport infrastructure is utter shite. Two park and ride car parks serving central and south Preston and these are full by 8.30am on a weekday, Another one in the North closed due to lack of use.

No trams, infrequent trains and the bus depot and train station are at opposite ends of the city.

[Luxxo Waftybarger]

Good riddance, diesel fumes are killing me. I have to walk through a small rural town to work everyday through traffic and it's already ruined my lungs. It's so ridiculous that polar bears are more important than school kids when it comes to taxing pollution.

[oldcars]

I have an idea. Why don't the council give us a recycling bucket for diesel fumes, i can add it to the 254600008412541 other fecking buckets i have in the garden.

[320touring]

If we are smart we can buy all the veg friendly dervs and get an eu subsidy for supporting farmers;)

[castros_bro]

Good idea about using veg oil as SVO or feed stock for bio diesel as this can be classed as 0% carbon but this case was more about NOx and particulates and there doesn’t seem to be any serious data on the these from long term veg use.  Here is a bit of info though

 

 

 

http://www.buffalobiodiesel.org/svo_emissions.pdf

[ERBS]

I don't think that NOx gasses by themselves are the problem, it's when they are combined with Hydrocarbons it makes smog.

 

Where do the hydrocarbons come from?  Petrol engines.

If your talking about NO2, Have a quick read!

Nitrogen dioxide is toxic by inhalation.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide

[Taff]

Banning stuff older than a certain age type shenanegins always seems heavy handed to me. As we know all too well 'natural selection' does its job and older stuff makes an ever diminishing proportion of the traffic. Seems to make more sense to incentivise manufacturers and new car buyers to select what is considered a more 'appropiate' vehicle rather than clobber people further down the vehicle ownership chain.

 

I mentioned it elsewhere but I'll go over it again.

 

Say a 12 year old diesel produces fumes, we can all agree it probably does. But that vehicle is already in existence, the finite natural resources used to manufacture that vehicle have already been consumed. 

So, we ban that particular diesel vehicle because it is now producing fumes, and use further, finite natural resources to replace it with another diesel vehicle which, while not producing as many fumes as it's predecessor, is still producing some fumes.

 

Hmmm...

[Jerzy Woking]

I mentioned it elsewhere but I'll go over it again.

 

Say a 12 year old diesel produces fumes, we can all agree it probably does. But that vehicle is already in existence, the finite natural resources used to manufacture that vehicle have already been consumed. 

So, we ban that particular diesel vehicle because it is now producing fumes, and use further, finite natural resources to replace it with another diesel vehicle which, while not producing as many fumes as it's predecessor, is still producing some fumes.

 

Hmmm...

Not many diesel motorbikes around, so why not ban petrol cars older than 2007 at the same time they ban bikes of the same age? Saying that, a bloke I know has an Enfield diesel bike-the engine is a Briggs and Stratton out of a cement mixer.

 

[UltraWomble]

I mentioned it elsewhere but I'll go over it again.

 

See group picture on page 1.

[Junkman]

Am I really the only one who is affected by diesel fumes?

They make me sick to the extent, that on busy Saturdays, when there is a lot of shopping traffic congestion in front of my house,

I can't go outside and walk down the pavement. I get convulsive cough attacks and have to puke.

I can't drive diesels. If I have to reverse and thus drive into my own exhaust fumes, I get convulsive cough attacks as well.

Filling up a diesel at a petrol station is emetic for me.

 

So for me, the bigger the panic and the sooner those things are banned from towns, the better.

[Squire_Dawson]

Diesels are filthy, stinking things. Note their proliferation in the private car market over the last 20 years. Do the Boche produce a petrol engined car these days? One could cry 'conspiracy!'

 

Fortunately Manchester is quiet later in the evening.

[Junkman]

It was a conspiracy clear as a whistle and the outcome was known from the onset.

Why do you think people now start having cancer in their 30s?

 

Being restricted to go outside only after dark does have a slight impact on life quality.

[cort16]

At least when you run veg it smells like chips

[Jerzy Woking]

Excuse the blurry photo, but this may give an indication of the airborne particulates in that there London.

 

The car park at our office is close to a main road running through the city. I cover my bike when there as do others. I get the pure white covers from a mate-they are a plastic/paper type breathable cover.

 

The cover on the right had been in use for a week or so. the one on the right about 6 weeks. See any difference? Nasty.

 

[Mr Lobster]

So we'll get diesel cars added to the LEZza zones which vans already can't use - thats about as far as any 'ban' will go. What will happen is that whatever government we get next has a perfect excuse to increase fuel duty on diesel and increase VED on everything diesel which realistically they would have done anyway.

 

Diesels are horrible anyway. Give me a nice petrol anyday!

[inconsistant]

I know there's a lot of diesel stuff about but in the grand scheme what will banning them actually do? Will it stop China and the rest of the "developing word" doing what they want and not giving a shit?

  

 

They're making stuff for us.

 

I have an idea. Why don't the council give us a recycling bucket for diesel fumes, i can add it to the 254600008412541 other fecking buckets i have in the garden.

It's your rubbish.

 

It's much easier to see ourselves as the victims than the perpetrators.

[CHRIS1980]

I have no qualms about London adopting this attitude as I dont live there, but when I do go there once in a blue moon, I find their public transport infrastructure very good ( now that I have got my head round the whole Oyster card thing).

 

If Preston was to adapt something like this then it would be frankly shit because their public transport infrastructure is utter shite. Two park and ride car parks serving central and south Preston and these are full by 8.30am on a weekday, Another one in the North closed due to lack of use.

No trams, infrequent trains and the bus depot and train station are at opposite ends of the city.

London transport? Very good? I don't where you got that from. Every time I go to London,something's either broken,or someone's on strike or cannot be arsed to do their job or someone's had enough and threw themselves in front of a train. Berlin,they have public transport sewn up. If it's not on time,it's early.they do maintenance work at night(when it's quiet). It's run at cost,not profit. So it's cheap. When everything is getting sold off to fat cat arseholes who want big slices of the money it's us that get bumraped for the privilege. Everyone on the tube in London looks miserable,duped into thinking that it's the centre of the F-ing universe and fantastic...the reality hits them in those quiet moments to themselves on the late running train/bus. I once thought the smart ones are the ones who worked in London and comuted in,but found out recently from some one that does it,it costs them over 7k a year.WTF.

[Jerzy Woking]

If I was to go with the great unwashed on the train (God forbid) it would cost me £4,160 a year PLUS the cost of a bus to the station. As I work odd hours, there is no bus to get me to the station if I leave early, or none to get me home if I have to work late. A taxi is about a tenner each way. Or I could take the car and park it at the station (all the off street parking was unnecessarily made restricted some years ago).

 

It's my choice of where I live (or rather its what I could still manage having to give my ex missus a shedload of money when she buggered off). Never worked out exactly how much it costs me to commute on a motorbike, but how do you put a price of the convenience? And in 30 years I've broken down twice, but both times on the way home from work.

[Cavcraft]

Pollution issues aside, I don't quite understand the hate for diesels. I know modern ones (DPF, DMF, etc) can be a pain in the arse, but half decent ones pull well, are good on fuel and generally cheap to run.

[Vin]

 It's so ridiculous that polar bears are more important than school kids when it comes to taxing pollution.

 

I like Polar Bears. In fact I prefer them to school kids. I expect you could at least have a decent conversation with a Polar Bear...

[MrDuke]

True. Also, Polar Bears don't generally grow up to be egocentric, massively over-consuming drains on the planet's resources. And ultimately, they were here first.

[Uncle Jimmy]

As far as I know diesels produce about twice the NOX petrol engines do so it's not going to solve the problem. Perhaps it's time for the petrol engine to receive the level of 'development' that diesels have over the past 20 yrs. Could petrol engines be feasible for trucks?

[CHRIS1980]

I mentioned it elsewhere but I'll go over it again.

 

Say a 12 year old diesel produces fumes, we can all agree it probably does. But that vehicle is already in existence, the finite natural resources used to manufacture that vehicle have already been consumed. 

So, we ban that particular diesel vehicle because it is now producing fumes, and use further, finite natural resources to replace it with another diesel vehicle which, while not producing as many fumes as it's predecessor, is still producing some fumes.

 

Hmmm...

I think it's more to try to boost someone's economy more than environmental interests. I had a good look yesterday at the scrapyards I visited,one had 2 cars that were made in the mid 80s. And the rest averaged 8-10 years old. It wasn't like that when I worked in one some 20 years ago. We were still trading parts for cars that were much older. What I'm trying to say is that a) nothing built in the las 15 years is built to last even Mercs. and no on can be bothered or has the money to repair their cars.

[barefoot]

London transport? Very good? I don't where you got that from. 

 

I get that from living in a place called Castle Donington with hourly buses that stop at 19:30.

[castros_bro]

Panic Mcpanic picknic  China and Nigeria have banned two stroke engines.... so that'll be the end of the fabulous sound of Deroit Diesel V8 on full song.

 

 

 

The Daily ToryGraph says too many scooters are bad for you

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10834679/Scooters-pollute-more-than-lorries.html

[cort16]

[320touring]

Have the sheep from the brothel escaped again?

 

In other news, I would go out tonight, but I havn't got a stitch to wear