van speed limits

[garbaldy]

Can you imagine the outrage if 2 tonne, cart sprung, fat tyred pick-ups like Amoroks, Rangers and Navaras etc were under the same restrictions? I bet my Tranny can stop just as quick and handles better.

I think the pickups do come under the same regs as vans, mine certainly has to be on commercial insurance policy.

I have driven both and I can tell you the pickup does have better brakes, on the handling front let's just say they are bloody good until you leave the ground in one. The take of is OK its the landing they don't seem to like.

[cros]

 

Driver was watching his mirrors for a gap and caught it a bit quickers than expected. Driver was about six foot six and wide........the police bought him back to our yard the back of a metro. Should of got a ticket for being over weight really.

 

Like the sound of that- DVSA outside the school gates with a set of bathroom scales, slap a prohibition on all the donks and cut congestion at a stroke.

[Asimo]

Can average speed (SPECS) cameras tell the difference between vans and cars?.

 

They read the registration number and they must be able to access the DVLA data to send the ticket so they have access to vehicle type and class and weight info.

[Hendry]

They read the registration number and they must be able to access the DVLA data to send the ticket so they have access to vehicle type and class and weight info.

Yeah but if you are travelling at less than the 70mph limit that the SPECS are set to catch you if you exceed then surely its not going to need too access DVLA registered keeper info to send a ticket and thus check weight and taxation class etc

[willswitchengage]

Think they are 10mph lower on national limits except motorways, 50/60, 60/70. Our Corsa van falls into this class

 

The speed awareness course told me that 'car derived vans' share the same speed limits as cars - the Astravan was his example. Van derived vans are 50mph in a national speed limit area iirc... not sure what elsewhere.

[wuvvum]

I'm hoping that average speed cameras can't tell that you're pulling a trailer - I was doing a steady 70 along the camera'd section of the A14 recently.

[willswitchengage]

Yeah but if you are travelling at less than the 70mph limit that the SPECS are set to catch you if you exceed then surely its not going to need too access DVLA registered keeper info to send a ticket and thus check weight and taxation class etc

 

At the speed awareness course, again, there was an HGV driver who said he was caught by a weight activated camera - which nabbed him doing over 40 in a NSL zone

[Inspector Morose]

Yup, the speed camera outside the Belfry is weight activated. Two on my course we're nabbed by it.

 

One thing I learned (never too old) on the course is the true definition of a dual carriageway, that is, a road whose directions of travel are separated by a central reservation. It doesn't matter if there is only one lane in each direction or three, they are still classed as a dual carriageway (of course not if it's been classified as a motorway but that still is technically a special classification of a dual carriageway)

[Richard]

They seem to be claiming the cameras can cope with different vehicle types http://a9road.info/safety-statistics/average-speed-camera-myths/

 

The main causes of accidents on the A9 are mostly dodgy overtaking or drivers zoning out because it it's such a long road with nothing much going on. At least the average speed cameras won't make these problems a hundred times worse or anything.

[Pete-M]

What's it say about mini buses? Is a Tourneo a Van?

[Pete-M]

Also, I drove a Di Banana Transit to Cz and despite it being nailed all the way there it never beat 82 mph.

 

With the trailer it wouldn't do 62. It would however do 61 all day.

[Richard]

What's it say about mini buses? Is a Tourneo a Van?

 

Minibuses have the same limits as vans. https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

[Pete-M]

Whoops.

[catsinthewelder]

Our Tourneo is a car on the V5, I checked today after using it in a bus lane. Ooops

[Richard]

How many seats does a Tourneo have? I think up to 9 seats counts as a car.

[catsinthewelder]

It's nine including the driver, I'm sure the rule used to be seven though.

[Alan_Green]

• There is a long and contradictory thread on a Doblo forum about this (speed limits of van-based-cars vs car-based-vans).  Here it is   http://www.fiatforum.com/doblo/95882-doblo-speeding-warning-important.html  but this post summarises the position best I think:
• This 60mph speed limit only applies to commercial vehicles.

  It does not apply to a private car, be it an MPV or any other type of 

  private vehicle. The V5C gives the details of the vehicle type.

  A manufacturer's van derived car as long as it is registered as a private vehicle

  can drive at 70mph on the motorway and on dual carriageways with a central barrier or reservation and 60mph on unlimited single carriageway roads

[catsinthewelder]

Could you argue that Doblo's, Kangoo's and SWB Transits are car derived vans then?

[Alan_Green]

Could you argue that Doblo's, Kangoo's and SWB Transits are car derived vans then?

Can go either way. Depends on what the V5 says. 

[Ghosty]

Astras will be car derived vans then I suppose, hence them being a problem. Google shows people seem to like doing VXR conversions on them like RS Turbo powered Escort vans.

Makes me wonder why there's no Focus estate derived van, actually.

 

 

Could you argue that Doblo's, Kangoo's and SWB Transits are car derived vans then?

 

Government says no:

 

 

Car-derived vans are designed to weigh no more than 2 tonnes when loaded and are based on car designs (eg Ford Fiesta, Vauxhall Corsa), or the vehicle is built from a platform which has been designed to be built as a car or a van.

As a general rule, from the outside, these vehicles will look like the size of a car, but on the inside the vehicle will look like and function as a van, because there will be:

• no rear seats, rear seat belts or mountings
• a payload area with floor panel in the rear of the vehicle
• no side windows in the rear of the vehicle or if present, side windows will be opaque and fixed (with no means of opening or closing)

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles

 

Basically, to get a SWB Transit classed as car derived van, it seems you'd have to argue that the Transit was derived from the Tourneo and not the other way round, but in any case that's irrelevant as it's too big compared to typical cars, as a rule of thumb. 

 

Or, the Transit would need 2 rows of seats, rear and side windows, be under 2040kg unladen, and have a certain ratio of seating space/load space, in order to be classed as dual purpose.

 

Interesting re: Kangoo etc though - did some research and the windows and seats version of the Kangoo has type approval as a normal car - so a Kangoo van and anything else of the sort is probably car-derived van - probably exactly why the car versions exist.

[sheffcortinacentre]

so would mine be a car derived pickup?

[Ghosty]

P100 I assume? Too old for type approval but clearly Sierra/Cortina based. Not a crew cab so it's not eligible for dual purpose, ergo it's commercial. 

I think you'd have to convince the DVLA it was based on a Sierra/Cortina, I'm not really sure.

[Richard]

Surely an Astra van is more than 2000kg GVW, some Astra cars are well over that unladen.

[Ghosty]

Just found an Astravan reg on Google Images and put it into DVLA - revenue weight is 1920kg.

Parkers lists the payload as ~ 650kg.

[sheffcortinacentre]

no its a 54 plt falcon ute , reg.d new here factory lpg (no petrol system at all)

 

says make VERTE (no model)

body type pickup

tax class light goods vehicle

cc 4000

fuel type gas bi fuel ( but surely bi fuel meens two fuels?)

seats 2

wheelplan 2 axle rigid body

vehicle catagoryN1

type approval sva

 

nothing in weights or co2 emissions

 

tax is £220 per year.