Reg plate boffins required please...

[Cavcraft]

Been offered an elderly Austin (more on that if I actually buy the car) and the vendor is giving me the old 'original plate worth £XXX' nonsense.

 

The plate in question starts with HSV: now, I know that's worth sod all (and I'm not arsed about values) but something tells me that combo of letters were DVLA replacements for vehicles that'd been plate raped.

Am I correct in thinking that? Cheers in advance.

[richardmorris]

http://www.cvpg.co.uk/REG.pdf

 

 

A few pages down says....

 

Re-registration is the term for what happens when a vehicle receives a new registration mark - usually because it's original mark has been sold on,

or taken to a new vehicle by the previous owner.

Prior to 1 August 1983, re-registered vehicles received a mark with the current year letter. Of course this could lead to problems - such as an owner

being able to pass off a vehicle as newer than it actually is to increase it's sale price! So since then the vehicle's new mark depends on the date of

first registration.

Since 1963 - vehicle receives a new mark with the year identifier corresponding to the year identifier at the time of first registration, the area code

being that of the office which issues the re-registered mark

1931 to 1963 - vehicle receives a standard pre-year letter mark of three letters and up to three numbers, from blocks which have previously not

been issued. In this case the area code is meaningless.

Before 1931 - vehicle receives a mark of two letters and four numbers, from blocks which previously have not been issued. If the owner cannot

prove the date of first registration, a "Q" year letter is given on an otherwise normal registration.

Re-registration blocks issued to vehicles first registered between 1931 and 1963:

ASV1 - YSV999

[Cavcraft]

Brilliant, thought so, many thanks.

[mercrocker]

Most of these will state on the logbook "non-transferable" but it seems some have slipped through although that wont necessarily allow transfer to take place.  In any case, as you say, those initials are at the lower end of value....Anyway whatever Austin man says, it is not the original plate.   That link richardmorris put up is very useful, I couldn't find that site the other day!

[barefoot]

Bit of a thread hi-jack, but I was about to start a number plate question thread...

 

I'm about to treat myself to new plates for my T2

It was built in '79 and registered '80.

 

Is this a bit late for riveted on plastic numbers?

Would I be better off with pressed alloy?

 

Is Framptons my best bet?

 

Thanks in anticipation, folks.

[HMC]

IIRC Sv was unused Scottish Borders regs, applied after they stopped giving pre 63 re registered stuff age related numbers. These days they seem to have moved on to XUL and similar stock.

[mercrocker]

Pressed alloy would be OK, unless somebody with more of a perversity than myself can suggest otherwise....Have to say I was not terribly impressed with the Frampton font on my Perspex 80s plates I put on the T25.   Try Tippers in St.Austell - I will be using them next time.....http://www.tippersvintageplates.co.uk after my mate got much better results for his shovel-head Harley...

[HMC]

IMO those rivetted plates wouldn't look out of place on something from around 79-80; there's plenty t-v-w plate stuff out there on original plates like those. I've previously used framptons for a few sets of these and seem to be a very close replica of an original set.

[cms206]

Bit of a thread hi-jack, but I was about to start a number plate question thread...

 

I'm about to treat myself to new plates for my T2

It was built in '79 and registered '80.

 

Is this a bit late for riveted on plastic numbers?

Would I be better off with pressed alloy?

 

Is Framptons my best bet?

 

Thanks in anticipation, folks.

I was offered a pair of VW Transporters about 2006 which had them, one V and one W-reg; British Airways Renault S56s had them at least until the E-reg examples were delivered.

 

I reckon you'd get away with rivetted plates.

[Pillock]

So vendor is wrong on both the "worth money" bit, because Swansea dish those out like sweeties, and because it'll probably die with the car due to being nontransferable. Nice.

[oldford]

Rivetted plates, I know for a fact that Europcar had them upto B registration on their cars.

[mercrocker]

Its the transferable bit that needs to be verified in this instance.   Some of these re-issues must have been transferable because I keep seeing them on Rangies and rusty MPVs.   I think DVLA's intent was that they should not be transferable but inconsistencies at their end have enabled some to be eligible.  Whatever the case, the 'Orse tin will need an MOT for that to happen regardless of any road-use exemption....

[quicksilver]

Well some HSV marks obviously are transferable as only last week I spotted this example of just what Tayne alluded to. OK, officially it's a Vauxhall but we all know they're all shit so let's pretend it's still a Holden.

2008 Vauxhall VXR8 by quicksilver coaches, on Flickr

 

A lot of coach operators had SK, SU and SV registrations from the age-related series and they are transferable. I've always wondered how they managed that.

[New POD]

Whenever a seller mentions the value of a registration plate, (lets say £2K value) I say "Well, tell you what, you put it on retention in your name and knock £1000 off the price, and you can sell it and make another £1000. I don't want the plate.  

[PiperCub]

^^^ That's exactly what I'd do - then it's a case of 'Your move' for the vendor. They won't want the hassle of transfering it to a retention certificate (think this has to be renewed annually?), if they want it that desperately or they had buyers lined up to pay the mythical £££££ then they'd have already pulled it.

 

Plus all this 'It's worth £sillymoney' is a degree of bollox because it's only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it and you've got to find a buyer unless a dealer will have it off you - either way, it's hassle.

 

IIRC both SV & SU plates were issued to lots of pre-63 cars that had either had their original numbers transferred/sold or for the ones that had 'Lost' their identities as the owners missed the cut-off when DVLA (DVLC then) computerised all the old registration records from the local authories that used to take care of all that. Remember seeing lots of these plates on old cars at classic car shows in the 80's & 90's.

[Angrydicky]

Sod the plate, what kind of elderly Austin is it?

[Cavcraft]

So vendor is wrong on both the "worth money" bit, because Swansea dish those out like sweeties, and because it'll probably die with the car due to being nontransferable. Nice.

 

 

He was a nice enough lad and he'd probably been told by the last owner the plates were worth a bit. I did say they weren't original and had been re-issued by DVLA but his reply was 'they can't be mate they are the proper black and silver ones.'

I didn't argue back as it was pointless.

[Pillock]

 

 

I did say they weren't original and had been re-issued by DVLA but his reply was 'they can't be mate they are the proper black and silver ones.'

I didn't argue back as it was pointless.

Yeah, that sounds like arguing would have been time you never got back.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

http://www.cvpg.co.uk/REG.pdf

 

 

A few pages down says....

 

Re-registration is the term for what happens when a vehicle receives a new registration mark - usually because it's original mark has been sold on,

or taken to a new vehicle by the previous owner.

Prior to 1 August 1983, re-registered vehicles received a mark with the current year letter. Of course this could lead to problems - such as an owner

being able to pass off a vehicle as newer than it actually is to increase it's sale price! So since then the vehicle's new mark depends on the date of

first registration.

Since 1963 - vehicle receives a new mark with the year identifier corresponding to the year identifier at the time of first registration, the area code

being that of the office which issues the re-registered mark

1931 to 1963 - vehicle receives a standard pre-year letter mark of three letters and up to three numbers, from blocks which have previously not

been issued. In this case the area code is meaningless.

Before 1931 - vehicle receives a mark of two letters and four numbers, from blocks which previously have not been issued. If the owner cannot

prove the date of first registration, a "Q" year letter is given on an otherwise normal registration.

Re-registration blocks issued to vehicles first registered between 1931 and 1963:

ASV1 - YSV999

 

 

Depends. Many pre 1963 cars that were plate raped got A registrations in the 80's and 90's, i.e ALA123A.

 

I restored a 1960 Mini back in 1986 that had a VIN but no logbook or reg, and got given a VSV*** plate.

[New POD]

He was a nice enough lad and he'd probably been told by the last owner the plates were worth a bit. I did say they weren't original and had been re-issued by DVLA but his reply was 'they can't be mate they are the proper black and silver ones.'

I didn't argue back as it was pointless.

 

 

Yeah, just offer what you think the car is worth, without the plates, and walk away leaving the door open for him, when he's done his research.

[Pete-M]

HSV was one of those numbers given out in the 80s or 90s when people were buying pre 63 cars, flogging the plate, then flogging the age related ones DVLA kept issuing until they cottoned on.

 

If it doesn't say non-transferable then it's floggable. The replacement age related one will be non-transferable.