Car tax disc abolished after 93 years!

[garbaldy]

So even though they are saving printing the little discs and are taking tax twice on thousands of cars sold every month they have still made an 80million loss,

that's some business model

 

I like the bit at the bottom, this can't go on for safety and the countrys finances

Wtf has failing to tax your car for to do with safety, does it make it invisable to other road users or maybe it handles like shit without tax.

[cort1977]

Some great quotes in there:

 

"Karen Powell, press officer for the DVLA said: ‘We don’t know why cars older than 10 years old are the main culprits for tax evasion. The stats are what they are.’"

 

Yes Karen, it's an absolute fucking mystery why someone who can only afford an old car might dodge out of paying the tax on it.

 

"Tony Ridge, head of public relations for the Jaguar Enthusiasts’ Club said: ‘It’s a generalisation really. There’s a big difference between the type of person with a cherished classic and someone who just has an older car.’"

 

I think he's saying 'don't lump us Jaguar Enthusiasts in with the bloody proles on Autoshite...'

[MarvinsMom]

i know that there are 3 main Jaguar clubs, the enthusiasts club, the owners club and the drivers club.

 

one in particular are a very, very snooty bunch, while one are far more welcoming, especially as i'm rolling around in an aging X300, which is currently still in prime banger country.

 

thing is a cannot remember which one it was.....

[HH-R]

They really are fucking useless. The beloved DVLA, that is.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

i know that there are 3 main Jaguar clubs, the enthusiasts club, the owners club and the drivers club.

 

one in particular are a very, very snooty bunch, while one are far more welcoming, especially as i'm rolling around in an aging X300, which is currently still in prime banger country.

 

thing is a cannot remember which one it was.....

 

The Jaguar Drivers Club are an awful bunch. They're the shower that rope their stand off at the NEC so you don't touch their precious spiv chariots.

 

The JEC are good.

 

As for the current tax system: I think it's fine.

[MarvinsMom]

it must be the drivers club that are the tosspots i was thinking of.

 

thanks for that!

[PiperCub]

The JDC have been basically an arrogant bunch (used to be mostly E-type obsessed) for many years from what I've heard. The JEC Johnnies are far more likely to run more scruffy examples and don't mind getting their hands dirty. 

 

As for the tax fiasco - this "Evasion" they witter on about - how many of these so-called evaders are actually SORN'd vehicles as opposed to those using but not taxing their vehicles?

 

I ask because I have three cars and a bike, two of the cars have been SORN'd as I don't use them Dec to March, (the same goes with the bike but it's not worth SORN'ing it as it's only £37p/a). I'm not avoiding tax, they aren't on the bloody road so DVLA can FRO. Typical stupid statements from idiot civil servants in moneywasting government 'Agencies'. I have nothing but contempt for these clowns.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

One of the JDC directors was investigated a fews years back for 'fingers in the till' nonsense.

[MarvinsMom]

from what we got told, it was i think the JDC where if it wasn't either 6 months old or something worth serious coin like an XK120, then in their eyes you are scum.

 

my XJ6 is just over 20 years old and is in pretty good shape, imo.

 

hence if i was to join a club, then i would like to join one where the fact that my car is an old one would not be used against me?

 

what was it that Groucho Marx said? that he wouldn't be a member of any club that would have him as a member, perhaps that applies to me to?

[Junkman]

 

As for the current tax system: I think it's fine.

 

I beg to differ.

It's not fine as long as the DVLA is blowing my tax money by the 80 million pack

because it's too inept to do a piss up in a brewery.

[Richard]

I beg to differ.

It's not fine as long as the DVLA is blowing my tax money by the 80 million pack

because it's too inept to do a piss up in a brewery.

 

I'd have to agree there. They have made things massively more complicated and costly for car owners under the pretence of cutting red tape and saving money, and it's ended up costing more.

[MarvinsMom]

that's gubbermunts all over isn't it?

[Bobthebeard]

I beg to differ.

It's not fine as long as the DVLA is blowing my tax money by the 80 million pack

because it's too inept to do a piss up in a brewery.

My brother in law works in 'The Government' and has something to do with taxation and the treasury.

How he manages to actually get to work unaided is a mystery. A total buffoon. Really. No social skills, has massive OCD, four kids and is a cross between Mr Bean and Stan Laurel. The few of his work colleagues I have met are similar. Disfunctional weirdos TBH!

Only my opinion, but if he/they are making decisions am unsurprised.

[PiperCub]

^^ Your BiL sounds well qualified for the CS then........ That's been my experience of dealing with civil service types.

 

I beg to differ.

It's not fine as long as the DVLA is blowing my tax money by the 80 million pack

because it's too inept to do a piss up in a brewery.

 

To be fair, they would get lost on the way to the brewery.

[Bobthebeard]

^^ Your BiL sounds well qualified for the CS then........ That's been my experience of dealing with civil service types.

 

 

 

To be fair, they would get lost on the way to the brewery.

Quite so....

Needless to say, at age 43 (and useless) my BiL is on a salary in the region of £60,000 pa. Where does all the money go.... Etc..

When he eventually retires or is made redundant or whatever, his pension will be massive. I haz no pension. Should have eaten my Snickers and joined the CS!

Bah!

[Jim Bell]

If they stopped everyone's direct debits at the point a car is sold, they'd be even further in the red. I've chased refunds on DDs that have been claimed up to 4 months after change of keeper was confirmed.

Imagine how fucked they'd be if they were honest?!

[warren t claim]

Just put the tax on the fucking fuel and be done with the whole shambles.

[Craig the Princess]

Should definitely be on fuel, I wonder how much extra a litre it would be.

[Junkman]

I can't quite follow the logic why it should be on the fuel.

It should be scrapped. Period.

We are paying way too much tax even without this daft VED.

[Craig the Princess]

Tbh I'd rather have safe infrastructure than no fuel tax increases since '93 and crumbling motorways like the usa.

[MarvinsMom]

shame that we already have failing infrastructure, see the forth bridge-

 

and that is the tip of a very rusty iceberg co there are PLENTY of road bridges in this country that are on the brink of falling down.

[Craig the Princess]

That is the down side to that argument, true

[Jim Bell]

Rail bridges too. A surprising amount of infrastructure engineering/sewerage is Victorian generally.

Built to last but not indefinitely.

[rml2345]

Built to last but not without maintenance. Part of the impending cataclysmic fuck up is deferred maintenance on things that should have been sorted years ago. The Forth Bridges are a great example. The Rail bridge maintenance was reduced drastically under Railtrack to the point that bits were falling into peoples gardens. When Railtrack folded, it cost a fortune to bring it back up to a safe standard.

The Road bridge is showing the same signs and a programme of repairs intended to avoid what happened was deferred. Consequently, it's now bust.

Road fund licence was never intended to be just for roads but if they came up with a simple tax system then the government coud perhaps spend some of the savings on infrastructure before we end up cold, dark and hungry.

Or they could spend another £11million on a giant Furbie who wanders about teaching people to write their vehicle tax reminders on their foreheads...

[Junkman]

Rail bridges too. A surprising amount of infrastructure engineering/sewerage is Victorian generally.

Built to last but not indefinitely.

Has there been a public structure built after the Victorians?

Where has the tax money paid since 1902 gone?

 

Infrastructure it is certainly not.

 

Besides, 20% VAT is simply insane. There isn't another word for it.

If the shadow economy wouldn't be bigger than the "real" one, the UK wouldn't exist anymore.

 

Still, people think the VED has any significance.

It hasn't. None whatsoever.

Apart from financing some completely redundant jobs and their pensions.

 

Why does everyone in this country have Stockholm Syndrome?

[fordperv]

I'm sure a good number of those cars that are "evading tax" are by owners who havn't received a reminder and don't have a clue, who would have actually noticed their tax was lapsed if there was a little disc in the window

[forddeliveryboy]

So much tax goes into healthcare - which is crazy now there's access to clean water, decent food and state-funded housing. Someone high up should be asking why, before it bankrupts us/goes totally private. We'll never get it back, once gone - we should be looking at making the NHS viable and long-lasting.

 

Free at point of delivery health service has had two really bad side-effects - big Pharma has been aided into a position where it can get away with encouraging dependence on its products, rather than making people healthy and fit again, and secondly too many are taking health for granted and assuming things can be put right by docs as necessary. Once they've realised they're wrong, it's too late - they have ongoing impaired health and the country pays for it twice over.

 

As with the bridges, the lack of stitch in time approach means we're saddled with crippling costs for decades to come. Would help if we didn't have the Osborne approach, too - paying the Chinese and French through the nose to make thousands of years of radioactive waste for us to deal with is a proper slur on many very expensive educations in the Cabinet.

[Skizzer]

One of the JDC directors was investigated a fews years back for 'fingers in the till' nonsense.

 

I'm very glad to hear it.  That's what being a Jaguar Driver is all about.

 

(Except XJ-S drivers, who are international jewel thieves rather than petty embezzlers and tax dodgers, obviously.)

[Andrew353w]

Surely the abolition of the car windscreen tax disc only works if the Police have enough ANPR cars running about continiously checking everyone's car numbers as they drive about on normal patrols. Franklly I suspect most coppers have better things to do and this is likely to slip down their "to do" list more than somewhat. 

What's more, if you car is parked the only way it'll be checked is if a Police car actually drives up & down your road slowly enough to clock the number plate, which (in most London streets) is difficult enough to see as the car's been shoe-horned into a space 0.005 mico-metres bigger then the car itself.

The last time saw a Police car in my road it was black, made by Wolsley and had a bell. Oh, and it was driven by Jack Warner (well, not quite, but you know what I mean!)      

[HH-R]

I can't understand not having a piece of paper in the windscreen has had any effect really, is the number of curtain twitching busybodies that high? I bet the amount of tax evaders caught by the Police but not by ANPR in the past 20 years must have been miiniscule.