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My 924 had 1 rear seat belt fitted too, think mine may have been inertia though it was never used so I can't be sure. The outer lower anchor mounts where the sills/inner sills go crusty, you can see the back of it when you pull the vent out of the 'B' pillar. I went to see a 1989 944 16v last August, the whole area was bodge, underseal and tape... Was ok though as had 12 months MOT.

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Well, it's february and it just hasn't stopped bloody raining. The passenger footwell is permawet so I thought I'd have a look and see why. The battery compartment is above it and it's very common "they all do that, sir" for the battery compartment tray to rust through in 924s as water from the screen just runs down into this area (there's no scuttle panel on 924s, just a big gap between the windscreen and the bonnet) and then it struggles to drain out, preferring to sit there and make out with the metal. Things can get really fun because the main fuseboxes are fixed to the top of the passenger footwell. I was lucky because my leak took the scenic route around the fuseboxes into the footwell. Again, normal people check this sort of thing before buying one, not 6 months after.  So I took the battery out to have a look. Being new to car maintenance and mechanically stupid I struggled to get it out because I was using the tiniest rachet spanner handle imaginable from my Sainsburys £5 socket set. It's one up from what you might find in a slightly upmarket Christmas Cracker.


While it was out I saw the problem, a small lack of bodywork just under the corner of the battery, about the size of a 1p coin. The battery tray is clearly some sort of epic funnel because the amount of water it lets into the car compared to the size of hole is pretty remarkable.


Can you see it yet?




Can you see it yet?




There it is, in the middle next to the rust and wob:




And this is it looking up from the inside:




Having noted the problem, I put a bit of gaffer tape over it and put the battery back in using tools borrowed from the neighbours and was impressed by just how quickly is it possible to do something when you've got the right tools for the job. Shortly after this I bought these in Halfords, which came with their infinite warranty, and I have to say that they're been really good so far.




They have general shiters approval going by this thread:


And a Lifetime Guarantee too:



Unwanted dampness has been a problem with the 924 over the last few months. Remember the condensed dials from 2 months ago?

I started to notice more and more condensation inside the car. On the windscreen, sunroof and rear hatch.








That rear hatch is a big bit of glass and it was running down off the hatch and making the boot wet from one side to the other. Not just damp, but absolutely wringing wet.






I don't use the car much, so it usually stands for at least a week between journeys, and it was taking so much effort to wipe everything down before using it and then once on the move trying to keep the windows demised that there was obviously something not right. I started looking for a reason, with owners club members suggesting usual problems like rear light gaskets or the rear hatch seal which was suspect no 1 because of the wet boot. I ordered a new rear hatch seal but in the meantime I found on one memorable journey I pulled away in a slightly too sporty fashion and got drenched by a load of water pouring from the interior sunroof trim panel straight down my neck. I had a shiteureka! moment. The sunroof. The bloody sunroof. I thought I was safe from sunroof leaks by not having a notoriously leaky factory fit sunroof, but the retro fitted Webasotard leaks monumentally.




There's a thread about it here:




The problem is pretty much that the glass is flush with the roof but has a 3-5mm gap around and when rainwater collects in that gap it seems through the glass/rubber seal and collects in the beige plastic trim ring.






Beige plastic trim:




Too much rain and it then either leaks or pours into the car depending on whether the car is moving and I'm sitting underneath it. It doesn't find it's way out via the drainiage channels, because being a retro fit 80s sunroof there aren't any drainage channels, but I don't find that out until next month.


It was at about this point that I learned to properly hate sunroofs. I wasn't really sure what to do about this problem, so in my usual haphazard and optimistic way I decided to note it, leave it, and see if it got any worse.


It did.




I had to take action:






See you next month tomorrow! 

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Gaffer tape solves all life's problems.


Leaky seals? Gaffer tape!

Loose trim? Gaffer tape!

Structural rust? Gaffer tape!

Hole in the engine block? Gaffer tape!


Nah, kidding with that last one. You'll need some JB Weld. ;)



I'm trying to get my supervisor at work to buy a 924. He keeps saying he's needs money for a house deposit but what he really needs is an elderly Porsche of questionable heritage...

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Ooh, what's that? It looks aeronautical. I got a replacement clock last year for a tenner so definitely available cheap.

Let me know if you still need and ill ask around, there's plenty of 924s being broken for bits.


It's my LT35 van (not Porsche engined!) The original dials are made by VDO, so I was trying to find some that looked similar. Ended up getting those which had been fitted to a Golf at some stage in its life, so interesting to see where they came from originally!

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MARCH  2014


My Bloody sunroof. Still leaking, so I thought I'd have a 'quick' look at it to see if I could adjust the glass to sit tighter on the seal, so partially dismantled it to have a closer look and now the bastard won't shut. 4 hours later it's stuck open a good couple of inches, just as it started pouring with rain. And I've now got to pay someone to come and fix it too. Horizontal holes in cars are a stupid idea.


Where water collects and seeps through the seal:




Time to take things apart:




Dismantled sunroof, interior:




Dismantled sunroof, exterior:




Beige retro fit internal guttering:




'and now the bastard won't shut':





Just for the heck of it I went for a drive in the rain with the sunroof stuck open, and got some nice moody drizzle photos showing the muddy ghost of sill decals past. You can prob. see on the drivers side wing where I had a go with a toffee wheel to remove the decal adhesive. It took ages, I'd say an hour or two just to do that bit, so I gave up. Toffee wheelz R 4 loozrz.













I bought a car cover. it flaps about in the rain and wind and is no doubt ruining my paintwork:







March is the Ace Cafe 924 Owners Club meet, their first meet of the year, and I've never been to an owners club meet, although as I type this I just remembered that I used to regularly go to Aberdeen Mini Owners Club meets in the early 90's, and even went to a AMOC weekend away camping to Alford motor museum too, so that's rubbish, I definitely have done owners club stuff before. Anyway I wanted to go along to meet some of the folk in real life who have so far been invaluable in their help, advice and encouragement. And to have a monumental fry up.




I waited until I saw the weather on the morning in question before deciding whether to go or not, because of sunroof stuck open. I'd put the replacement hatch seal on which I'd bought because I thought the old one might have been the cause of the leak. The glass hatch popped up a mile or so from home, so I shut it and carried on. Just as I was approaching the M25 it popped up again, so realising the additional pressure from the seal was doing it I decided to pull it off and continue without it, enjoying the stink of exhaust fumes and a rattling glass hatch.

I hoofed it at just below the nation speed limit taking account of local road and traffic conditions around the M25 and down the M40 and then just as I got there and parked up in full owners club vehicular alignment I suffered an embarrassing and fairly significant coolant loss. Oh the shame of it. Pissed myself in front of all these strangers. And because the car was angled up towards the rear it ran forwards and into the car park.




To be fair, most thought it was somewhere between amusing and hilarious, and the number of folk who wanted to help out and find the problem was really impressive. Here's some more pix of the Ace Cafe 924OC Meet:




Nice early 924 with lots of original trim and 70's chrome:




Chubby cousin:




More tasteful pascha action:




Yeah they're galvanised m8 they don't rust:




Mine might have pissed coolant everywhere but yours is made from drinking straws and half a traffic cone:




Want an Autoshite dealership sticker for that m8?



It turned out the coolant had overflowed from the overflow pipe coming from the neck of the coolant bottle. At least I am reassured  that the overflow pipe works as expected. The coolant temp gauge isn't working so I couldn't be sure it hadn't overheated but as when GarethJ had it the fan kicks in fine so I didn't reckon than was the problem. I did a bit of looking up and finding out and it was suggested that a new coolant cap of the right pressure might solve the problem. I don't quite understand why but it worked, and the new coolant cap is nice and shiny too, all for under a tenner. I think it's the only shiny thing on my car:




The upwardly thrusting bottom of the range people of 1985 definitely did not like shiny. They liked matt black.

On the way home the passenger side screen trim (matt black) lifted up from the bottom on the M25 so I stopped at A3 junction to push it back on. It had been a bit lose since I've had the car, but it usually just pushed back onto the rubber seal. After about 2 mins it flew off over the roof of the car.




I think if I'd known these are NLA I'd probably have pulled it off and put it inside the car or gaffer taped it down.  I have clearly underestimated the role of gaffer tape in owning and running an old car. Note to self, always carry gaffer tape in the car from now on. Gaffer tape bought.


Pretty much everything that has happened or that I have done to this car has made it look worse than before. It looked alright when I got it last Sept from Gareth but now it looks like a shite heap. The removed sill stickers, bare metal from jetwashed flaked respray, jammed sunroof and now departing trim are making it look very tatty and uncared for, which couldn't be further from the truth, because it's getting lots of time and attention, it's just rejecting it. Shame because it's running fine, it just seems to be trim and fittings that are causing problems. Oh well, I hope April is going to be a better* month.


*it is, but I don't find that out until next month tomorrow



See you next month tomorrow...

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Is the cap the correct one? When I got mine it blew the coolant out when stopped after a run, I replaced the cap with a generic motor factors one but it was just the same. Bought a 2nd hand Porsche one, problem over, All were same pressure rating, appeared the same physically. I couldn't tell the difference but the car could!

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Jeez, the water leak looks horrific!  Not sure if it's got worse or I didn't really suffer because I was driving it for two hours a day with the heater on so the water didn't collect.  I certainly don't remember it misting up.  Driving with the heater at your feet and the sunroof open a crack is lovely, the warm air blasts over your toes and then passes over your body like a mild massage.  Although when you've got no choice as the roof won't close the experience is probably very different.


I had the tailgate pop open a couple of times and diagnosed it as the lock wasn't pulling all the way closed.  I couple of seconds squirting Plusgas into the holes where the locking pins fit cured it.

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V fine stuff, but have I missed a gag?  Why are all the 2015 updates captioned 2014?



Apart from an initial enthusiastic flurry it's clear that I've been a bit rubbish at keeping this tale of 924 ownership updated.

That's all about to change though, as I will now embark on bringing it up to date a month per post. So hold onto your hats for 18 months in 18 posts in 18 days. Probably.


^^^ This. Fortunately I've been taking plenty of photos along the way as reminders which has made it a bit easier.


I'm also not replying to all comments and suggestions because most of the problems I'm going on about here are sorted now. But I do appreciate everyone's concern and suggestions based around gaffer tape.

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APRIL 2014


The sunroof is still jammed open, and to be honest I'm falling out of love with the car. It's really frustrating because I can't work out where to get specific help to fix it. There's lots of generic help, much of it based around gaffer tape, cling film or welding, and various members of the 924OC are giving well intentioned advice that is relevant to the factory fit sunroof but not to mine.

I found a fairly local sunroof specialist but he's either a)very disorganised, b)not interested in the job or c)incredibly busy. He's got lots of good reviews on tinterwebs so I'm going for c). Actual answer later.

What I really need is a 'Shite Sunroof Specialist' who will actually get back to me with a definite date and time that he will come over, rather than a vague intention spanning a month or two to do something about my problem at some point fairly soon when he's in the area probably. Not a Shite Sunroof Specialist obviously, because that's pretty much what I've turned out to be. I mean a 'Specialist in Shite Sunroofs'. 


To be honest, I'm ready to give up on the car. I'm so fed up with the constant rain and the stuck open sunroof and the knowing that the wet interior is doing the car no good at all long term. It's no fun driving around in what amounts to a powered wet towel and not being able to enjoy it without getting a soaking at every junction or tight corner.


Fast forward 2-3 weeks and a couple of missed 'Specialist in Shite Sunroofs' appointments where he said he's probably get a chance to have a look at it and I'd left the keys with the neighbours on the off chance that I got a call at work to say he's be there in 5 minutes.

A funny thing then happened... I dropped the sunroof bloke a text on the Sunday asking if it was likely that he was going to be able to help out with this at all at any point soon and he phoned me back on the Monday lunchtime to tell me the sunroof was fixed, and that it was a screw that had jammed the mechanism. He oiled up the mechanism and it was working a treat, apparently. Our neighbour said that he seemed to know exactly what he was doing but was a bit chaotic and all over the place. His van was a mess. Several months later I'm still waiting for an invoice from him. The answer was: a)very disorganised.






Now I've just got to sort out everything else and this 924 will be perfect! I started by looking at the condition of the rear hatch pins and locks, because I felt it would be really nice to get to the point where the glass hatch stays shut, opens only when necessary and doesn't leak exhaust fumes into the car to the extent that Mrs and the Wee Fella feel ill even just popping down the road.










The consensus from those that know about these things was that the pins were a bit too rounded and needed replacing and the locks looked 'interesting'.




In other April news the car cover I bought is so shit that it's torn and split at the seams already after only a few weeks. I'm not going to bother with a replacement, I'll just get a refund and accept that a £16 full car cover isn't going to be a quality item. I got a refund after sending photos, and they said to keep the cover. Bonus!






29yr old Porsche 924 went in for it's MOT. Braced myself for the worst.

It passed MOT with no advisories. Quite a lot of love for the car returns.




Drive it Day. No takers for a Southern shiters meet up so I decided to join up with a Porsche 924 Owners Club drive.




Met Roo (who has the lovely early green one photographed last month yesterday) at Clackets Lane and we headed down to Ashford to meet a couple of others round the back of the drive through McDonalds.





We headed through some lovely bits of Kent to Manston to have a look at the Spitfire and Hurricane Memorial Museum, a definite must see if anyone is in the area. And free too.












Then on to Dover Transport Museum where they had a 1940s themed weekend. I did an Autoshitist spottage of AngryDicky in one of his Austins.




Another brilliant museum, and well worth a look. They've got loads of fascinating stuff there from Coaches to old adverts. And a Lego fox. I put most of my pix in my chod bothering thread here:



















And finally we stoped off at the Battle of Britain Memorial on the cliffs between Dover and Folkstone.




It's an impressive thing, a huge propeller set in earthworks in the cliff top, with a view across the channel to France. The white bit that isn't a 924 is one of the propeller blades. The grey bit is that France.








The 924 performed excellently, with it's fresh MOT, it's sunroof that closes and my collection of mix tapes from the 80s and 90s that I made up. 




An excellent day of driving, April was a good month. See you next month tomorrow...

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In the pic of the tailgate latches the bottom looks to be held open. Slacken the cables as much as you can so they still release, dowse the latches in WD40 or whatever and make sure the latches are central on the pins, it's all adjustable inside the boot.

Or do like the owner of the 944 I went to see had, take the gas struts off and rely on the tailgate weight to hold it shut!

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You're right Spike, as we will find out soon. Also didn't help that one of the pins was misaligned so when one side opened the other side of the hatch twisted slightly. This meant that it opened when I didn't want it to, but wouldn't open properly when I did. All sorted now... but we don't know that yet.

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^^^ This. Fortunately I've been taking plenty of photos along the way as reminders which has made it a bit easier.


I'm also not replying to all comments and suggestions because most of the problems I'm going on about here are sorted now. But I do appreciate everyone's concern and suggestions based around gaffer tape.


I believe m'learned friend is presenting a retrospective of his ownership experience-rather than an 'as happens' update scenario.



Derrr.  Note to self: RTFM.  Derr.

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MAY 2014


Quick summary: sunroof fixed, love for 924 returning, and some enjoyable drives with it. Time to start sorting out some issues.


First on the list is the Coolant temp gauge, which doesn't work. I'd like it to work, because I'm going to venture up to the midlands later in May to joint lots of like minded 924 owners at an annual meet up and I'd like to know what the engine is up to along the way.


The gauge looks like this with the ignition off (obviously):




And like this with the ignition on/engine running:




Diagnosed as a faulty temp sender, a call to Max at Frazerpart established that, bizarrely the cheapest place to get one is the local Porsche Dealership or Official Porsche Centre (OPC) as they like to be called.

This sounds odd and has taken a bit of getting used to, but it's genuinely the case that a lot of spare parts are cheaper from an OPC than on ebay. 

So I took a Saturday morning trip to Guildford Porsche to get my Temp sender and to generally lower the tone a bit:






I then got my handy mechanic to fit the sender and also replace the leads that go on the spark plugs because they were wrong and the middle two didn't sit on the plugs firmly so when the engine warmed up they got lose and every now and then caused a misfire. He also found the battery drain, which it turned out was caused by an electrical thing that I can't remember what it was. He also replaced the clock with a working one that I got for a tenner, so I now have time. He also adjusted the clutch, because the biting point was very low, a bit lower than the top of the carpet. So altogether some epic spannering all round with lots of niggles fixed. I know getting someone to do it for you isn't the same as sorting it yourself but bollocks to it.

Temp gauge works:




And reassuringly everything is doing what it should... quarter mark for normal running, moving up to half mark before the fan kicks in to bring it down to quarter.


Temp sender, possibly:





I got hold of an unwanted First Aid box from work and decided it would make a good boot tool kit and gaffer tape holder, so I put some velcro pads on it and it fitted a treat:






I decided then that I'd turn my attention to tidying up the car ready for it's run to the 924 annual meeting. I bought a little pot of touch up paint and an cheap rattle can of white primer. I did a quick poor quality touch up of as many unsightly paint chips as I could find, and then turned my attention to the unsightly rust on the bottom corners of the front wings where they meet the front valance. I have to stress that this was an exercise in superficiality and increasing the whiteness of the car rather than any sort of long term attempt to deal with the rust. I'm doing that next year (2015):




I also wanted to cover the bare metal that was exposed by jet washing the sill decals/respray off. Again, purely short term & cosmetic, going over it with primer just to make it white:










From a distance and with a magnolia in front of the car, I'd say it was an improvement:






So, on to my big trip. I first headed to Gaydon to call in on the 2014 Slot Car Festival, and bumped into the fine gent, Autoshitist and PO, GarethJ, who was flogging his excellent wobbly slot cars. Didn't get photos of him or his cars but did get these of a couple of scenic tracks on display:






Made it up to the get together at Donington Race Track, and spent the rest of the day admiring 924s, as you might reasonably expect:






Ooh, only 4 away from my reg no:




Karl's racing 924 (the bloke mentioned ages ago):




2014 was the 35th anniversary of the introduction of the 924 turbo, so there was a big push to try to get as many 924 turbos to the event as possible. The aim was to get 35 in the same place but I think in the end there were about 25. Still a remarkable achievement given that there are only abut 50-60 know to be in roadworthy condition in the UK. Some bloke calling himself 'Danblez' turned up in his too. Seemed like a nice bloke for an Autoshitist, etc.














924 turbo line up:






Had a good fun weekend, met 2 Autoshitists at non Autoshite events, the 924 got me up there and back without a hint of a problem, covering about 400 miles and doing 35mpg. What more could I want?



See you next month tomorrow!


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