1987 Renault GTA :: Gone to a new home

[PhilA]

Yes.

[Noel Tidybeard]

  On 03/08/2018 at 22:19, PhilA said:

I have picked a color* to experiment with.

 

Initial indications are good. The paint smells vile so that's usually a decent indication in my (admittedly limited) experience of the color* being halfway decent.

 

Phil

 

* i think you mean colour

[Zelandeth]

Most forgiving colour I've ever worked with, surprisingly was actually bright yellow. ARG Snapdragon yellow. Metro I had came in underseal up to knee height so had a fair bit to cover.

[Burnside]

Good luck with the painting.

 

I tried painting the roof of my Brothers Metallic Blue MK1 Fiat Punto with him in spray can's from a local car paint supplier a few years back. The prep and the Blue paint went on quite well.

 

Sadly the Lacquer coats were a total fail as we did this all outside in the open. So as the wind suddenly picked up the Lacquer ended up in the air and less on the roof which gave it a stripey finish. Still it's better than it was, but if you seen the rest of the paint it's the least of it's problems!

 

One day he get round to hopefully having it resprayed.

[PhilA]

  On 03/08/2018 at 23:42, Noel Tidybeard said:

* i think you mean colour

Nope. When in Rome, &c.

 

I shall provide a hint for you to ruminate over.

 

It's a color from a manufacturer from East of the Greenwich meridian that begins with an H.

 

Phil

[Sir Snipes]

  On 04/08/2018 at 01:41, PhilA said:

Nope. When in Rome, &c.

 

I shall provide a hint for you to ruminate over.

 

It's a color from a manufacturer from East of the Greenwich meridian that begins with an H.

 

Phil

Just show us FFS! Lol.

[Noel Tidybeard]

henley blue FTMFW

[PhilA]

It's not ready yet and I don't know how well it covered until it's flatted back.

[vulgalour]

 

 

 

Some guesses for eastern manufacturers beginning with H.  Blame Noel for me picking blue ones.

[PhilA]

Rain stops play today, so I'll put you out of your misery.

 

Before flatting and clear-coat.

 

 

Phil

[vulgalour]

Brave to go metallic, it's a nice colour.

[PhilA]

Bravery, stupidity? It contains fluorophlogopite mica! (It's a pearlescent).

 

Honda Electron Blue.

 

Phil

[Geep]

If it's base coat, you don't flat it at all. Spray base coat then within a certain time, apply clear coat. (paint spec should give time to cover by)

 

If you try and flat base coat or use any abrasive at all, no matter how fine, it will likely go greyish/brownish and look rubbish. Base coat applied to flatted primer, then wait and cover with clear coat just after. Some leave it longer and get away with it but needs applying soonish really. 

 

https://www.jawel.co.uk/jawel_pdf_data/painters_guide/painters_guide_basecoat_paint.pdf

 

From Jawel about base coat. 

[PhilA]

Unfortunately one of the cans decided to spit (changed the nozzle and it still did) so it's going to have to be wet flatted back- if it needs another coat so be it, but right now it's all chunky.

 

 

Phil

[vulgalour]

Your approach to silver being difficult to get a good finish with being to paint with even more difficult pearlescent paint is to be commended.  It's looking pretty good already, all the same.

[PhilA]

I own a Renault. We already know there's something wrong with me from that.

 

 

Granted, I had a read about paint and paint types beforehand and decided that blue had a modest chance of being slightly less crummy than silver to put on.

I didn't like the pale blue they had. Plus that was pearlescent and pale blue is just silver with a drop of blue in, so was likely not to cover well.

Phil

[PhilA]

So, the last application of blue went on a little stripey, coupled with speckled finish from the spitting can.

 

 

Wet flatted it back with 600 grit.

 

 

Not a bad finish, right there. No water on that surface, it was dried.

 

 

I hung it up on a box, it decided to stay put well enough to do so. Also found that spraying "forwards" with these cans yields halfway decent results.

Applied clear coat as the blue was still tacky.

 

It's now drying, we'll see what it looks like once the clear coat stops being cloudy wet.

 

Phil

[Geep]

That looks alright Phil. Not sure what type of paint dupli-color is but you can cut and polish clear coat with say 2000 grit wet and dry for a better finish. Helps remove any inclusions but be careful you don't go through the clear coat if you do. Looks good straight form the can though so no need to go mad. 

[PhilA]

Single pack acrylic

 

Everything of theirs I have attacked with abrasive paper has responded well, so I'll start with the 1500 tomorrow and see how it comes up.

[PhilA]

Been looking at compressors.

 

Think 25 gallon tank would be enough to keep up with a spray gun? 2.5hp motor.

 

Phil

[PhilA]

 

It's dried quite dull and hazy, which is my experience with this type of clear coat. Humidity probably factors in, it got all humid this afternoon, likely adding to the bloom.

 

I'll flat it back gently and see if I can liberate a shine.

 

Either way, it's got more paint on it than it ever had, and to add to that, this paint is not porous.

 

Phil

 

 

Edit: The paint finish on the cardboard box it was sitting on is most excellent. The overspray looks fine...

 

Go figure

 

 

Edit edit: Was having a bit of a discussion today on the associative color- I like the front grille in a different color, as too the rear spoiler and rear window fillets. They were satin black. I'm thinking with the blue that wouldn't work so well. I'm thinking a dark charcoal instead. Thoughts?

[vulgalour]

If you're feeling brave, you could risk another metallic and go for anthracite.  Flat charcoal might just look like faded black plastics.  Alternatively, go full Talbot and paint all your plastic trim satin white.  I wonder why cardboard always ends up looking great when you use it to mask off?  I've had amazingly nice finishes on cardboard straight out of the can while the panel I've been working on next to it has been all sorts of messed up.

[PhilA]

I'm guessing it's something with the surface being porous? You can't get the paint to pool because all the esters that normally have to evaporate off are absorbed immediately as leaving a thin cost of paint cleanly on the surface.

 

Also, metallic anthracite would work, it's an option. I think cream really needs a flat blue to go with.

 

Phil

[PhilA]

Began wet flatting the clear coat back by hand. 800, 1000, 2000, 2500.

 

 

The sun decided to come out, typically. Gave it a buff over by hand.

 

 

Decided to wedge it back onto the car.

 

 

It even beads water now!

 

 

I quite like the color. It has shown the necessity for a proper paint gun though.

 

 

Phil

[Geep]

  On 05/08/2018 at 22:37, PhilA said:

Been looking at compressors.

 

Think 25 gallon tank would be enough to keep up with a spray gun? 2.5hp motor.

 

Phil

 

Free air delivery is the key to keeping up rather than tank size. A large tank will allow you to run longer but you will have to wait at some point for it to refill if the FAD is not enough. The only need to keep up is if painting whole car or large areas as running out mid way can lose you the wet edge. Not really something to worry about in this instance.   In reality, it should be fine for doing what you're doing but do check the free air delivery then check gun requirements.  

[vulgalour]

That's a really nice blue and contrasts well with the bits of black trim.  Looks really good for a rattlecan job too, it's amazing what folks can do when they have a go.

[PhilA]

Yeah. I think I'm going to retain the satin black, it looks better than I thought.

 

Need to redo the spoiler, but it had to go back on to stop the water getting in!

 

The contrast of the indicators sets it off, they're not far off the complimentary color.

 

Phil

[PhilA]

Haven't made much progress (read: none) on the car recently, been a bit much going on.

Squealing belt determined to be caused by the harmonic balancer, the rubber of which appears to rapidly be disintegrating.

 

So that's another thing on the list. That'll make it undriveable, so fun times look to be ahead. PS leak coming from the rack. Ditto.

 

Joy.

[Sir Snipes]

Have the 'boots split again yet?

[PhilA]

No, the new "universal" boots appear to be holding up. Probably because I'm avoiding using full lock because the tripod is all clicks and clunks.

 

Phil