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[blguy1975]

Hi Everbody,

Sign This Today if You want Classic Car Tax for any Car over 25 (like all mine)

 

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/2622

 

Thanks

[Fat_Pirate]

Why bother? There's zero chance the government will implement any cut in tax for the foreseeable future.

[Wilko220]

As nice as it would, there is also a danger here. In some other countries, I understand that free road tax has come at the cost of usage restrictions for classic cars. Others on here may know more about this than me...

[dollywobbler]

Sadly, I've changed my tone on this one. I think I did sign it, but the reality is that there are much bigger issues around than this at the moment, and it's probably better to keep the head below the parapet at the moment.

[blguy1975]

Why bother? There's zero chance the government will implement any cut in tax for the foreseeable future.

 

If Everbody Took that attitude ,Hitler would rule the World

[Shep Shepherd]

I've signed the petition, although for many reasons I don't think the exemption will be re-introduced any time soon. A pity, as The Volvo is 25 years old in three years' time.

[tonedepear]

Why bother? There's zero chance the government will implement any cut in tax for the foreseeable future.

 

If Everbody Took that attitude ,Hitler would rule the World

 

Dunno about that, he's been dead a fair while.

[R9UKE]

An '87 Renault 25 V6 with free road tax. That would be pretty epic.

[dollywobbler]

Why bother? There's zero chance the government will implement any cut in tax for the foreseeable future.

 

If Everbody Took that attitude ,Hitler would rule the World

 

Good grief. Someone's in a hurry to invoke Godwin's Law! Honestly. We're talking a few thousand people wanting free road tax for their cars, not the bleedin' holocaust.

 

I don't see why I should have free road tax. I drive a fair bit on the roads. Seems fair.

 

I didn't sign this petition by the way, I signed the one which already exists and which has over 14,000 signatures. That one's been going a while and if only 14k people have signed it, you have to admit that really, most classic car owners don't give a shit!

[Cavcraft]

I can see why the petition was started but unfortunately Dave is too busy throwing people out of work at the moment to concentrate on giving anything away.

[cobblers]

Good grief. Someone's in a hurry to invoke Godwin's Law! Honestly. We're talking a few thousand people wanting free road tax for their cars, not the bleedin' holocaust.

 

 

That's where it starts man! One minute people are being charged £130 a year for the privilege to drive old motors round on any of the public highways, and the next BAM! Genocide. Have you never read 1984?

 

Any step that segregates "classic" cars from normal cars any further is a step towards having them banned from the roads apart from to drive to "classic car shows" on weekends, in daylight hours, at a max of 40mph. Lets, face it, they are less safe than modern motors. Not that this is any kind of problem, but it's not stopped hundreds of other perfectly safe things being banned because there is a marginally safer alternative.

[Felly Magic]

When it was first introduced, there were quite a lot of Tories in positions of power that ran classics (Alan Clark who owned a DS cabrio, Geoffrey Howe etc), so it was in their own interest to have free road tax. Now I don't think there are any cabinet ministers who run old motors.

[John F]

I'd quite like free toad tax on my Maserati and my Calibra in a few years' time, yes.

 

But on the other hand I speak fluent German so would probably do quite well under a upcoming resurgence of the Nazis. I might even be issued a Horch Kfz 15 with V8 engine, 4-wheel drive and separate low-range gearbox (although I suppose the straight-cut gears in the crash box might take a bit of getting used to).

 

BUT that would be pre-1973 anyway so I really don't have anything to gain by signing the petition.

[scooters]

Mandleson is a Nazi - his scrappage sceme did for loads of kwality chod!!!

 

many an article in the classic press at the moment valuing our hobby at at least 4.5 bn quid not including cash deals or ebay auctions - add those and you'll be looking at nearly 5 bn quid- classic industry employs 25,000 odd folk as well. Minister of Trasport has said there are no plans to limit our use of old cars at all.

 

Compared to the UK car population - the number of cars on the road built before 1990 is a pretty small ratio - pre 1981 even more.

 

IMHO any new classic legislation re tax/mot etc needs to be bounbd up in a bill which also protects our rights to use them - gawd helpus if we end up with the French system!!!

 

I now believe that pre 1972 cars should not be subject to THE SAME MOT as modern ones - faliure rates are very low for these anyway but the test applied should be a 1990 one

[gtd2000]

Mandleson is a Nazi - his scrappage sceme did for loads of kwality chod!!!

 

Somewhat ironic considering his father is Jewish and he is an ex-recruit of the Young Communist League (...allegedly).

[Felly Magic]

By the way do you know loads of larger classics are running around on a loophole that gives them MOT exemption? Registering them as 'exhibition units' givers them this. I know of a few preserved buses running around that haven't seen MOT's for years.

[Guest]

SNORE.

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

I now believe that pre 1972 cars should not be subject to THE SAME MOT as modern ones - faliure rates are very low for these anyway but the test applied should be a 1990 one

 

Aren't they already, pretty much? Mine only gets a visual emissions test, doesn't fail for having no wing mirrors etc

[e287yba]

I now believe that pre 1972 cars should not be subject to THE SAME MOT as modern ones - faliure rates are very low for these anyway but the test applied should be a 1990 one

 

Aren't they already, pretty much? Mine only gets a visual emissions test, doesn't fail for having no wing mirrors etc

 

Yes.

 

 

 

To elaborate, they are - in broad terms - tested to the standards of the time. Take exhaust emission limits or the presence of rear fog lamps as two examples.

 

And don't bank on the FBHVC being of much use now. They have had their uses in the past, such as independent testing of Lead-replacement additives for Unleaded, but recently they have come over all EU and there is a real risk we would end up with the French (or is it German?) model where "Historic Vehicles" apay no excise duty but their use is severely limited (in both France and Germany, the "Historic Vehicles" are limited to driving in the local area where they are registered in general terms - I am sure one of us can put the meat on these bones ). It's on http://www.ace.org.uk or somewhere similar, and very well covered on PistonHeads.

 

I think that keeping heads below the "free road tax for classic cars" parapet is a good plan at the moment...

[danthecapriman]

Im not signing, just because im sick to hell of doing it every time one of these petitions comes round and then it just gets rubbished by the powers that be. I think it should be free for over 25yrs old but realistically in this economic climate it aint gonna happen, there much bigger issues to be dealt with than what is basically a tax break. Not only that but with the current mot exemption crap going on I think keeping quite and paying up the same as everyone else is the best plan for now, getting free tax and no mot would start alienating us old car lot and possibly opening the doors to restrictive use etc etc, not something I want to see happen.

The FBHVC, as far as I can see are useless for the most part anyway. They dont care about the sort of cars we use and definatly dont or wont stand up for our interests. They are only interested in the rich old snob with his red (chrome bumper only) MG that is made of brand new parts, payed for with a fat cheque book or the wealthy owners of rare exotic tin. I dont think they are likely to care about me and my rusty old fords, that apparantly arent old enough/rare enough or whatever!

[Volksy]

As i think M.Bolleux pointed out the last time one of these was posted on here, there is collectively probably enough signatures on this matter to get the government to look at it, they are, unfortunately spread over and equal number of petitions to signatures.

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

Maybe it'd get the necessary attention if we took a tip from the US and clipped it to a more popular petition.

 

Eg: Restore 30 year rolling tax exception to HELP THE TROOPS BY BRINGING BACK HANGING AND BANNING IMMIGRATION BY LEAVING EUROPE (928,281 signatures)

[cobblers]

Maybe it'd get the necessary attention if we took a tip from the US and clipped it to a more popular petition.

 

Eg: Restore 30 year rolling tax exception to HELP THE TROOPS BY BRINGING BACK HANGING AND BANNING IMMIGRATION BY LEAVING EUROPE (928,281 signatures)

 

Lol. Depressingly true, They'd name it something like the BEAUTIFY act. BEAUTIFY standing for something like Ban East African Underground Trade In Fake Yugos

[chaseracer]

Now I don't think there are any cabinet ministers who have any facility for independent thought.

EFA...