Someone tell me every possible cause of wheel wobble......

[Guest]

BECAUSE I WANT THE JUDDERING TO STOP! ARGH.

 

Took the C*****n to Drury Lane today and had the wheels properly balanced. They were miles out.

 

Took it down the M60 and it's the same. Still. Still juddering over 70 mph. The steering wheel visibly judders like fuck. I would have taken it back but I had other things to do.

 

Other than defying logic, what else will it \ could it be? Please please please help me work out what the problem is, because I'm not far off tearing it to pieces and replacing everything.

 

Oh yeah, and 'getting rid of it' isn't an option as of the moment, for reasons I cannot be arsed going into.

[garethj]

Wheels out of true (can you spin them on the car and put a stick on the rim to see if it goes in and out or up and down?)

Tyres out of round (as above, spin the wheel and look for bulges or oval shape)

Wheel bearings

Bushes (some cars are really prone to even slight wear in suspension bushes messing up the suspension)

Driveshafts bent

Rear suspension bushes, although any wheel, tyre or suspension problem you can usually feel through the whole car rather than just the steering wheel

[Guest]

Wheels out of true (can you spin them on the car and put a stick on the rim to see if it goes in and out or up and down?)

Tyres out of round (as above, spin the wheel and look for bulges or oval shape)

Wheel bearings

Bushes (some cars are really prone to even slight wear in suspension bushes messing up the suspension)

Driveshafts bent

Rear suspension bushes, although any wheel, tyre or suspension problem you can usually feel through the whole car rather than just the steering wheel

It does specialise in destroying the component written in bold. Hmm. Anyway, next week it's going back.

[M'coli]

Swap the front wheels for the back and see if it moves the problem around.

[garethj]

It does specialise in destroying the component written in bold. Hmm. Anyway, next week it's going back.

Yeah, but if the wheel is shaking itself to buggery, it's going to put a lot of strain on the bearing

 

Isn't there a "new Citroen" forum where someone else has seen this?

[pandamonium]

Tyres. I had a wheel on the bluebird that looked fine, but vibrated terribly. It was slightly different to the rest, but I couldn't see any defects.

Chucked it in the boot as the spare in the end.

[Cavcraft]

Have you tried switching front wheels for back ones one at a time Jon?

[pogweasel]

Have you tried torching the fuquer then pushing the remains into the canal, Jon?

EFA.

[Des]

I had some nasty steering wobble at 70 a while back, cured it short term by accelerating to 80, when I checked, it was a great big misshapen bulge on the tread of a rear wheel.

[Pete-M]

It's mainly suspension bushes and tyres that cause wheel wobble.

 

If the tyre bay managed to get the balance readings to zero, and the wheel didn't appear to be oval, then it's unlikely to be the wheels. It could, however, be a dodgy tyre. I'm pretty sure they've all been changed haven't they? It'd be most unlikely for two sets of tyres to both be shagged and causing wheel wobble. I have seen a few tyre carcass failures which have meant the tread ballooning up in the middle at 50ish mph, but normally only on properly crap tyres.

 

Have you tried swapping the wheels front to rear? If the wobble didn't stop, or at least move, then it's not the wheels.

 

CV joints are ok? Engine / gearbox mountings are ok?

 

Next thing to do is jack the car up and give the wheels a good wiggle, any play of more than 2mm or so tends to be too much on new cars.

 

Is it knackering tyres? Outside or inside edges wearing quickly? Does the steering pull in either direction? How many wheel bearings has it gone through? Is it insured for fire?

[trigger]

I'd try swapping the front to the rears as well as that's a no cost option that can work, I had a similar problem on my ST24 and that cured it.

 

It is also possible that the tyres are mishaped causing that problem., I could be a buckled alloy but if the wheels have been balanced then that would have came up then.

[simmo]

The obvious has been already mentioned few times. If interchanging the road wheels doesn't cure or at least change the problem I would try applying the brakes when the judder is occuring and see if this affects anything if it goes immediatly your looking in the area of bearings or discs.

 

I would also try jacking up one side at a time sticking it on a stand and getting an assistant to run it up to speed and just see if one side judders.

Not sure if the car is FWD or not but worth checking the driveshafts (bent or out of balance) also worth checking engine mounts if the enging has dropped a bit this sometimes adversly affect things

[mouseflakes]

My old Renault 10 had an annoying wooblyness that felt like out of balance wheels (came in at around 70, went away again if you sped up) - but it wasn't cured by balancing. Turned out to be a tired bush on the inner end of one of the steering arms. It didn't look bad at all, but a new one fixed the wobble.

[warren t claim]

My 205 has a similar problem but I hope it's just the knackered CV joint. If that doesn't work then I might just drop some beta blockers into the tank as a last resort.

[red5]

What happens if you brake when it's juddering? Does it still judder? Stop? Ease slightly? Get worse?

[shite_meister]

1-Swap wheels front to back. Before you waste any further mental energy at least do this. Has the car been stood for any period of time? have you replaced all tyres since you owned the car? how long have you had this problem? How old is the car?

 

2-If still no better find a better mechanic to give it the once over.

 

3-If no joy locate (as mentioned on another post of yours) about getting someone to do on-car balancing to track wheel wobble.

 

Causes of wheel wobble:

 

Out of balance, damaged or deformed tyres or wheels.

 

Worn bushes i.e steering rack bushes/wishbone bushes/other suspension bushes depending on the set-up shitron employed on your motor.

 

Worn shitty wheel bearing AND/OR worn hub, if an old bearing wore the hub/knuckle too much then the new bearing won't sit 'true'.

 

Damaged Driveshaft/C.V joint (unlikely C.V I would've thought)

 

DTV disc variation thickness, I'd imagine that this would show up when braking more but if you had a high-spot on a disc it might be possible for it to cause a wobble as the high spot of the disc came into contact with the pad.

[M'coli]

There is a drastic cure: sell the Citroen and buy a car whose wheels don't wobble.

 

To be fair, if it has an appetite for wheel bearings then they're under-spec'd for the job they're being expected to do.

[whitevanman]

I say, burn the witch...

 

 

OIII !!! leave the bloody witches alone

[Minimad5]

I think he was taking the car back today , to the tracking / wheel balancing place.

Lets hope that sorts it.

If not then it looks like a long night out at "DA UNIT"

 

Jon, the Pizza's on you

[Station]

Get the steering wheel straight, and get a tape measure and measure the centre of the back wheel to the centre of the front wheel on both sides. I seriously think something's bent when you hit something on the M6.

The wheels aren't aligned if it's still doing it after swapping the wheels over.

[retrogeezer]

One of my tyres had a load of water in once, that was fun.

[mouseflakes]

Get the steering wheel straight, and get a tape measure and measure the centre of the back wheel to the centre of the front wheel on both sides. I seriously think something's bent when you hit something on the M6.

The wheels aren't aligned if it's still doing it after swapping the wheels over.

I'm really worried now - just checked this on my Renault 16 and there was about 2 inches difference one side to the other.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

^^^ I see what you did there!

[scooters]

Get the steering wheel straight, and get a tape measure and measure the centre of the back wheel to the centre of the front wheel on both sides. I seriously think something's bent when you hit something on the M6.

The wheels aren't aligned if it's still doing it after swapping the wheels over.

I'm really worried now - just checked this on my Renault 16 and there was about 2 inches difference one side to the other.

 

tres drole!