Peugeot Diesels of the 90s

[Cavcraft]

As I think has been already alluded to, 500 miles a week in a non-turbo XUD engined car will be a nightmare. 406HDi a good call, comfortable, decent on fuel and nice to drive. Failing that, the poluar* choice would be a Vectra CDTi 120. 6 speed box, cruise control, decent economy, very comfortable and (braces for the hate) reliable too.  

[jon.k]

Yes, I should have added to my post above that 406 was the most comfy of the lot. Fold down the armrests and go reppin’!

[reb]

If your main consideration is fuel economy, the XUD is now hideously outclassed. They are also very variable, as the injection pump timing has to be absolutely cock-on to get the best out of them, and many are not perfect any more as no-one ever does the (quite tedious) process of timing the pump after changing a cambelt. And I say that as a fan of the XUD.

 

HDi is immediately more fuel economic, and even those aren't even that brilliant when compared to a VAG TDI engine from the similar era. IIRC Laquer Peel was getting something like 70mpg from an octavia PD... that sort of economy is simply impossible from an XUD, and I've never heard of an HDi getting even close to that.

 

Even the little TUD engined cars are hard work to get hypermiles out of. If you drive it hard (which you have to to get it to move) then even the 1.4TUD engine can get as low as 45MPG.

 

You've either got to go for a mechanical injection car that has very little bulk to pull around, like a BX or a 309 1.9 XUD, which will get 50+mpg if not hammered, or a TDi or PD engine in something a little heavier, and look for 60+mpg. If fuel economy really is your goal here, there's only one sensible choice.

When it's working my 205 1.8d gets a really consistent 50mpg, it'd probably get more if I didn't drive with my right foot welded to the floor 80% of the time. We didn't do anything to the pump timing when we did the cambelt, I should probably look into that since it's looking like the 14 month old water pump may be about to shit itself already so will likely have the belt off again soon.

Regarding VAG TDI shite, my VE pumped Golf was absolutely brilliant for fuel economy. I once got 60mpg out of it driving it around town all night for work, more is definitely possible on a run. It's a shame the cars they're wrapped in are somewhat uninspiring.

 

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[sierraman]

Make sure the gearbox in any six speed Vectra is ok, they really don’t like spending extended periods of time sat in 6th, the bearings overheat, usually 6th goes followed by 2nd. Plus same as a diesel Mondeo check for usual DMF and injector issues which both these cars are very prone to.

[Lacquer Peel]

 

 

If your main consideration is fuel economy, the XUD is now hideously outclassed. They are also very variable, as the injection pump timing has to be absolutely cock-on to get the best out of them, and many are not perfect any more as no-one ever does the (quite tedious) process of timing the pump after changing a cambelt. And I say that as a fan of the XUD.

 

HDi is immediately more fuel economic, and even those aren't even that brilliant when compared to a VAG TDI engine from the similar era. IIRC Laquer Peel was getting something like 70mpg from an octavia PD... that sort of economy is simply impossible from an XUD, and I've never heard of an HDi getting even close to that.

Indirect injection diesels are not very fuel efficient, I'm always skeptical when people make big claims of them.

 

It was 74MPG in a Fabia 1.9 PD.

 

Even my VE engined Passat shows a reading well into the 60s if driven carefully, and it did go into the 70s on a long, slow hypermiling trip.

 

The readout is not totally accurate but it gives you an idea, brim to brim fuel ups are 2-5 MPG off.

 

These VAG cars aren't dynamic class leaders but the engines are great, possibly unbeaten in their class for a blend of reliability and fuel efficiency (pre-DPF etc).

[They_all_do_that_sir]

If it has to be French then 406hdi

 

Otherwise I hate to say it but anything VAG with the 1.9PD lump

 

Mrs has the 1.4tdi PD in her roomster and the best you'll get from it is 51mpg.....small engine heavy car

 

However when we looked we struggled to find an octavia that wasn't an ex taxi or a golf / jetta that hadn't been used for "scene" activities.

 

 

 

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Second that....mates father in law has a cab company and the 1.8 tdci’s in the mondeos and galaxy’s he rips out when they go wrongnand fits the mega old 1.8td from the escorts into them as apparently they are quite similar in layout...!? (I’m not a ford man)

I’m no ford expert but with the cover off the 1.8 tdci looks identical to the old Sierra donkey. Think they have a variable vane turbo and common rail injection but the block and head is about the same

[They_all_do_that_sir]

I’m no ford expert but with the cover off the 1.8 tdci looks identical to the old Sierra donkey. Think they have a variable vane turbo and common rail injection but the block and head is about the same

I was led to believe its the same basic engine as well.....

 

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[sierraman]

Not sure how fitting the 1.8TD out of an Escort and fitting it to a Mk4 Mondeo would work. I’m calling bollocks on that, the old 1.8TD isn’t common rail for starters.

[Snipes]

TBH whenever anyone I know has changed their car (to try and reduce running costs, usually chasing MPGs) it's always backfired horribly and they've wished they hadn't bothered.

[BorniteIdentity]

TBH whenever anyone I know has changed their car (to try and reduce running costs, usually chasing MPGs) it's always backfired horribly and they've wished they hadn't bothered.

 

You don't know of a single person who, when changing cars, opted for a more economical one - and then didn't save a penny?   You must have the unluckiest friends ever.

 

I understand not spending pounds to save pennies - but when it's time to change, and you do big miles, looking at a more economical way of motoring is prudent - no??  

 

I am thinking of a £500 Yaris atm.  The little 1.0 VVTi's are pretty good - and they can do 60 from what I can gather.  That's mpg and mph!

[sierraman]

You’ve got to ask yourself is it worth spending 100 miles a day in a Yaris to save a fiver or whatever. Small engines like that won’t be that economical on the motorway.

[davehedgehog31]

You’ve got to ask yourself is it worth spending 100 miles a day in a Yaris to save a fiver or whatever. Small engines like that won’t be that economical on the motorway.

I can only speak for my Citroen C1, but it's certainly very good fuel wise on a motorway run. Gearing is pretty tall, I don't have a rev counter but believe 2900rpm at 70mph is the figure. It certainly feels less strained than my old K11 Micra at that kind of cruising speed. 1.0 3 pot is of Toyota origin, don't know that it ever appeared in the Yaris.

 

I do need to drive the 405 one day of the work week though, just for a change. The C1 is pretty noisy in comparison and gets buffeted about a bit, but is by no means uncomfortable or unsuitable for a long motorway journey. 

[BorniteIdentity]

You’ve got to ask yourself is it worth spending 100 miles a day in a Yaris to save a fiver or whatever. Small engines like that won’t be that economical on the motorway.

Almost. You have to ask yourself is it worth spending 100 miles in a small car to save £1200 a year.

[95 quid Peugeot]

Yes, I should have added to my post above that 406 was the most comfy of the lot. Fold down the armrests and go reppin’!

406 all the way, i use ours as a hack as i work away ..it's 140 miles to work, so with accommodation to work 4 days a week up here and a 140 miler back on a friday its about 350-400 a week,

Comfy, 49.6mpg over last 6k miles  (110 HDI) 

[sierraman]

Really though? Is this worked out on actual MPG or the theoretical MPG it should give? I’m not sure it’s quite as clear cut as that,

[Richard]

About 50mpg seems right for a 110HDi, that's what my Xantia did.

[bramz7]

Yeah that's what the C5 did. And the 605 XUD11 I had. And the 406 XUD11. 50-52MPG wasn't difficult.

 

My 323i is averaging about 20 around town at the moment and it's stinging a bit. Three quarters of a tank in nearly 190 miles....ow.

[SierraMikeHotel]

Real-world, mixed-use work in a BX 1.7 turbo XUD gave a pretty consistent 50mpg. I wouldn't use a BX as a hack any more (and prices are rising fast), but I have no problem believing similar MPG figures from its slightly younger relatives.

[95 quid Peugeot]

Really though? Is this worked out on actual MPG or the theoretical MPG it should give? I’m not sure it’s quite as clear cut as that,

Thats on tank to tank refills brimmed each time

[sierraman]

If it works for you fair enough but I’m not sure my back, arse and ears are up to buzzing along 100 miles a day in one.

[dougiefourspeed]

Another vote for 406/Xantia HDi here. Although I would imagine you'll more likely find a 406 in reasonable order than a Citroen these days since they seem to be more common.

[sierraman]

On this subject I’ve seen a tidy 406 90bhp estate nearby, £600, looks in good nick as well.

[Snipes]

Did you boys know a petrol 1.6 C5 (2005) is pushing nearly 4000rpm at 70 mph? Ask me how I know.

[Wingz123]

Did you boys know a petrol 1.6 C5 (2005) is pushing nearly 4000rpm at 70 mph? Ask me how I know.

Nice and quiet then

[scdan4]

Feel the need to mention if you are just plodding along then you’ll have north of 50mpg in an early d5 Volvo. And that has to be one of the comfier options.

 

Spent a long time chasing 406,s last year. Estates are generally very tired now imo. Some peachy saloons for no money out there though. Will be a nicer drive than a Volvo, and just about as comfy.

[Honey Badger]

L series FTW.

 

Early rover 45 with the 2.0 L series will convey you frugally and in some comfort. £490 with 9 months ticket. Why not have something nice instead of making the commute more stressful.

 

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[stonedagain]

A VW Polo TDI is worth considering, I’ve had my 02 plater for 2 years now and it’s bloody brilliant, very very frugal and a nice drive for a small car even for a great oaf like me, all in all a very well made and cheap to run little car....

Mrs Stoned has owned hers for the last six years, cracking little car!

[M'coli]

I'm getting between 56 and 62 mpg out of a TUD5 Peugeot 106 at the moment, doing 200 miles a week - last year it was 400/week.

They're not awful to drive, but they're not a modern car either. I find it roomy enough for me (I'm not tall but I am bulky) and comfortable, I used to be able to do Wetherby to Bristol in one go depending on my bladder.

...and before someone goes, "the pedals are too close together..." you get used to it - I used to drive it no bother in safety footwear.

I suppose it depends on either your vanity or your hair shirt, but they're ok.

[Bucketeer]

I flipping love the 106 1.4D that I have on loan from KruJoe at the moment.

I did 950 miles up to Scotland and back a fortnight ago via every hill and mountain along the way. Loaded up to the nuts it still pumped out a conservative 73-ish mpg.

People will tell you the little PSA diesels are too slow but fuck 'em, they're wrong.