AS Communal MK4&5 Mondeo Thread

[warren t claim]

13 hours ago, junkyarddog said:

I've decided to modify my mk4!!

2.0 badge on the drivers side now too!!!

🤣

Be even better if I stuck it on straight!

🙄

I badly wanted badges like this to fit on my 09 plate 2.0 Ghia estate.

 

[sierraman]

So... cluster arrived back... and the problem is still there. I’m genuinely at a loss with this. No codes are coming up, I think it’s dead. I’m not putting any more cash into it so it’s getting fragged. Ffs!

[Fraz]

On 3/7/2021 at 1:37 AM, Barry Cade said:

Mine did the same , and it was the caliper, hoses were fine. Had to do the discs and pads too as it warped the disc and cooked the pads.  Caliper seemed fine, slides were free, piston went back no probs but it started to bind after  mile or so. Odd. Just sorted the rear for the same reason, but that was just stuck pads. 

Aye.

 

I stripped the brakes assuming it was hoses because it appeared intermittent however one was stiff to push back. The other was solid and took being removed and put in a vice to push back. 
 

This is a temp fix and I have a pair of new genuine ATE calipers winging their way to me to be fitted. 

 

Rears will be stripped, cleaned and bled through with new fluid to just seeing as I’m in and about the brakes anyway. 

[Fraz]

10 hours ago, sierraman said:

So... cluster arrived back... and the problem is still there. I’m genuinely at a loss with this. No codes are coming up, I think it’s dead. I’m not putting any more cash into it so it’s getting fragged. Ffs!

What software are you using for codes? 
 

Have you got Forscan? 
 

What did the dash repair company say about the clocks? 
 

Have you tried finding wiring diagrams to trace the fault of they’re saying the clocks bench test ok? 

[sierraman]

ECU Testing said the cluster was found to be faulty and they had repaired it. Puzzlingly there were no codes. I suspect it’s an issue with the CANBUS line behind the dash or as likely to GEM module.

[Fraz]

2 hours ago, sierraman said:

ECU Testing said the cluster was found to be faulty and they had repaired it. Puzzlingly there were no codes. I suspect it’s an issue with the CANBUS line behind the dash or as likely to GEM module.

Can you not just fire it back to them saying it’s not repaired?

I did suspect the canbus may be not providing information but there should be a way of testing that 

[sierraman]

The issue is the car doesn’t really owe me anything by this point, I’m reluctant to go down the route of chasing electrical problems down. In all likelihood it’s probably the GEM module or the CANBUS cable down the back of the dash. Investigating that is neither going to be cheap nor successful. Plus to top it all I’ve noticed the turbo is starting to become a bit noisy at cold. Put it simply it’s had it’s chips, I’m quite hard nosed where cars are concerned so like Kenny Rogers said ‘You gotta know when to Hold ‘em and know when to to Fold ‘em’. 

In the interim I need a car for work so I’m popping later to look at a cheap Focus to put me on for the meantime. 

[Fraz]

Fair enough. 

 

Ive been quite successful with strange wiring faults and the associated repairs recently which is why I asked.

 

good luck in the new steed!

[warren t claim]

Surely a used cluster from the scrappy can't be more than £25?

[sierraman]

36 minutes ago, warren t claim said:

Surely a used cluster from the scrappy can't be more than £25?

You can’t fit a used cluster without programming it, it’s had the existing cluster rebuilt. I’ve spoke to an auto electrician guy today who is highly recommended, he’s booked up for 10 days but I’m in no rush. Going to just bite the bullet and get whatever needs doing to the electrics to get it working again. My gut instinct is that it’s an issue with the CANBUS wiring or the GEM module. He seemed fairly confident he’d get to the bottom of it. Who knows!!!

[Out Run]

21 minutes ago, sierraman said:

You can’t fit a used cluster without programming it, it’s had the existing cluster rebuilt. I’ve spoke to an auto electrician guy today who is highly recommended, he’s booked up for 10 days but I’m in no rush. Going to just bite the bullet and get whatever needs doing to the electrics to get it working again. My gut instinct is that it’s an issue with the CANBUS wiring or the GEM module. He seemed fairly confident he’d get to the bottom of it. Who knows!!!

What programming does it need?

I know when for instance, people upgrade to a Convers+ unit - mileage aside- it's just plug and play.

I would expect the other style cluster, to be more of the same.

[sierraman]

30 minutes ago, Out Run said:

What programming does it need?

I know when for instance, people upgrade to a Convers+ unit - mileage aside- it's just plug and play.

I would expect the other style cluster, to be more of the same.

I get different answers all the time on it. Mileage isn’t an issue as it’s a 12 year old car, whether it’s done 100,000 or 1,000,000 miles is academic by this point. Hopefully the sparky will get to the bottom. I’m fine with engines and all that but sometimes for a strange issue I’ve come to realise it’s worth the cost potentially of a specialist to accurately diagnose a problem than bitting and batting randomly replacing components 

[Out Run]

1 hour ago, sierraman said:

I get different answers all the time on it. Mileage isn’t an issue as it’s a 12 year old car, whether it’s done 100,000 or 1,000,000 miles is academic by this point. Hopefully the sparky will get to the bottom. I’m fine with engines and all that but sometimes for a strange issue I’ve come to realise it’s worth the cost potentially of a specialist to accurately diagnose a problem than bitting and batting randomly replacing components 

Fair enough.

Any old Mondeo's dash clocks should plug straight in, no bother.

[sierraman]

Might have made progress with this. Finally got my shit together and the ELM connector arrived, various fault codes coming up and loads for the BCM, so it’s possibly either the module is fucked or hopefully a bad connection. In the meantime leaving the ELM in with the switch pointing down seems to eradicate all the symptoms. Worst case I’ll just drive about with that plugged in and I can see how fast I’m going. No codes recorded for the instrument cluster, which is odd because I’ve the same faults and ECU Testing were Adam Ant that it was the cluster that was faulty...

[Fraz]

How bizarre. Although potentially just a wiring fault and fixable! 

[sierraman]

So as we speak I’m driving it with the ELM plugged in and it on with the toggle switched down and it’s working fine. What the fuck is that about?

[Fraz]

That is quite bizarre.

 

Taking a punt it appears the elm module is solving whatever error is in either the high or low canbus system.

 

What faults does forscan actually list? 

[sierraman]

Various DTC about airbag, ABS and the hvac and loads about the BCM module, I’m thinking maybe they’re on the same port on the BCM, maybe there’s corrosion on the pins. 

[Fraz]

Any no communication errors?

 

Be interesting to see what the auto spark says. Without wiring diagrams it’ll be hard to diagnose. 
 

If you did, you could pick one fault to try and diagnose and I’d bet it’d sort the  lot out. 
 

I had a Jeep Patriot with similar, lots of weird faults and quirky things happening. Lots of codes but one with a circuit fault. Traced a broken corroded wire in the middle of a loom and boom. All gone 

[Fraz]

Ecto1 received some new callipers today. Yay

its nice to work on a car which doesn’t fight you with rust.

[sierraman]

Sorted the issue out. It was the trailer CANBUS interface module. Unplugged it and it’s working ok again. Discovered this purely by chance as a mate had the same issue. 

[Fraz]

Crazy but glad it’s a free fix.

 

Curious what faults the dash repair mob identified and fixed tho

[sierraman]

14 minutes ago, Fraz said:

Crazy but glad it’s a free fix.

 

Curious what faults the dash repair mob identified and fixed tho

None I suspect. I’m guessing this is why the dash worked when the ELM427 was switched across to the bottom setting that covers the ancillary circuits. One to watch perhaps if you’ve a modern fitted with a towbar 

[Faker]

Mondeo is letting in buckets of water. Boot carpet and rear footwell are saturated... 

[sierraman]

1 hour ago, Faker said:

Mondeo is letting in buckets of water. Boot carpet and rear footwell are saturated... 

I had that, it was the water sitting in the sills round the tailgate then coming in round the seal. Bit of silicone sorted it out. Mondeo factory standard water leak.

[sierraman]

Just rolled over 100k today. Treat it to a run up the M18 to clear the DPF and a 300ml dose of CT60. Treat ‘em mean keep ‘em keen. 

[Split_Pin]

My Neice-in law is looking to move her MK4 1.8 TDCi on. KC57NUW for reference.

She said she was offered £540 by WBAC  last year which seemed a bit cheap however I didn't realise until I checked that  the MOT expired in November. 

Other than it is blue, I know very little about it. She will be over tomorrow with my wife's other friends for a visit to the garden for my sons birthday so I'll ask more then.

I was half thinking, if it was really cheap, e.g £250 and it still goes OK, to buy it and stick it in for a test.......

[sierraman]

125k is the wet belt time. Big job, definitely doable just loads of bits to take off. That said if it’s an old beater just run it till the belt goes.

[warren t claim]

On 4/10/2021 at 9:48 PM, sierraman said:

125k is the wet belt time. Big job, definitely doable just loads of bits to take off. That said if it’s an old beater just run it till the belt goes.

A point to ponder is the wet belt on Millie didn't shit itself until about 430,000 miles. It there a Ford designated wet belt replacement interval? I can't imagine anyone bothering with a belt swap when for no more aggro they could've fitted her with a chain? Could the original belt have really lasted 430,000 miles???

[sierraman]

9 hours ago, warren t claim said:

A point to ponder is the wet belt on Millie didn't shit itself until about 430,000 miles. It there a Ford designated wet belt replacement interval? I can't imagine anyone bothering with a belt swap when for no more aggro they could've fitted her with a chain? Could the original belt have really lasted 430,000 miles???

Some will do 400k on it, some will do 80k. I don’t know the exact science behind it but some say lack of servicing reduces belt life and using engine flush is a no-no, for some reason this damages the belt. For what it’s worth, if you’ve got the top belt off, another few hours work to take the associated back plates off and the pulleys, ac pump etc it’s worth fitting a new lower belt cassette.