What makes you grin? Antidote to grumpy thread

[warren t claim]

Would you settle for James Blunt found kerbcrawling? Contemplate. Contemplate. Exhale.

 

Is that an offer? They're both simpering arseholes.

[michiel]

'failing to supply a specimen of breath' sounds like he's either an idiot (which he probably is) or dead...

[warren t claim]

The next BT ad he's in will feature him in Brightons' custody suite ringing his solicitor.

[M'coli]

'failing to supply a specimen of breath' sounds like he's either an idiot (which he probably is) or dead...

Nah, it means that he knows he's over the drink-drive limit, but not by how much - I don't know the legal implications of not providing one, but if it's not the first time then there may be some legal benefit to not blowing in the bag*.

 

Reminds me of this - even the Polis find it funny!

[autofive]

'failing to supply a specimen of breath' sounds like he's either an idiot (which he probably is) or dead...

Nah, it means that he knows he's over the drink-drive limit, but not by how much - I don't know the legal implications of not providing one, but if it's not the first time then there may be some legal benefit to not blowing in the bag*.

 

Reminds me of this - even the Polis find it funny!

 

not providing a speciman (or refusing to provide) gets an 18 month minimum ban, whereas first drink/drive offence (as long as its not in connection with other charges) usually gets 12 month ban. second offence gets a 2 year ban (minimum)

[eddyramrod]

Those bans are nowhere near long enough...

[dollywobbler]

Well, he can always use the defence that refusing to give a sample was a mistake, but to be fair, he was pissed.

[warren t claim]

I'm sorry to defend drink drivers but I'm going to.

 

There's a whole world of difference between drink driving and driving whilst drunk. Even if you're a BT advertising twat.

[dollywobbler]

I'm going to agree with Eddy. There's isn't. Alcohol impairs your driving. If he thinks he's drunk too much, then he shouldn't be driving. Simple as.

[warren t claim]

I'm going to agree with Eddy. There's isn't. Alcohol impairs your driving. If he thinks he's drunk too much, then he shouldn't be driving. Simple as.

And if he thinks he hasn't had too much to drink?

[autofive]

Those bans are nowhere near long enough...

 

and those bans can be reduced by attending a 'drink awareness program'

[dollywobbler]

Then he should give a sample. Why would he refuse? I'm not saying don't drink and drive, but I am saying don't drive if you've had more than you should.

[warren t claim]

Then he should give a sample. Why would he refuse? I'm not saying don't drink and drive, but I am saying don't drive if you've had more than you should.

 

Because we have draconian rules regarding driving with alcohol in your bloodstream.

[Cavcraft]

I'll be honest Warren even if there's the very slightest smidgin of doubt, you don't drive.

Soz to be a smug bastard but when I go out on a Saturday night and get shit faced I don't drive at all the following day, it's just not worth it.

Drink drivers (specifically those who drive knowing they're pissed) are in the most just lazy, arrogant bastards who will hopefully get what they deserve.

[warren t claim]

Look, lads, look in the sky! Yes, up there! Do you see it? It's pie.

As long as it's not Mrs Claims hairy pie I don't mind.

[autofive]

Then he should give a sample. Why would he refuse? I'm not saying don't drink and drive, but I am saying don't drive if you've had more than you should.

 

either he didnt know he could be charged with failing to provide or.....

 

he was more 4 times over the limit, and wanted to limit his ban to 18 months

[dollywobbler]

What's draconian?! Alcohol affects your driving whether you think it does or not. People know the bloody rules. Is it really that hard to either not drink or not drive? (actually, I accept that it is trickier around these parts, but still possible).

[warren t claim]

I'll be honest Warren even if there's the very slightest smidgin of doubt, you don't drive.

Soz to be a smug bastard but when I go out on a Saturday night and get shit faced I don't drive at all the following day, it's just not worth it.

Drink drivers (specifically those who drive knowing they're pissed) are in the most just lazy, arrogant bastards who will hopefully get what they deserve.

I'm not standing up for drink drivers but it seems strange that a teaspoonful can make the difference between innocence and 10 years of hiked insurance premiums.

 

I DON'T drive after I've been drinking btw.

[warren t claim]

What's draconian?! Alcohol affects your driving whether you think it does or not. People know the bloody rules. Is it really that hard to either not drink or not drive? (actually, I accept that it is trickier around these parts, but still possible).

It's difficult to decide whether you're 1mg over the limit or not. You don't have a built in breathalyser!

[dollywobbler]

Well, no, but you do know that having a 'few' pints is probably not a good idea.

[warren t claim]

Well, no, but you do know that having a 'few' pints is probably not a good idea.

Indeed, that's why most people don't.

 

So you agree that an arbitrary limit is a good idea?

[warren t claim]

Driving whilst tired is totally legal yet is much more dangerous.

[dollywobbler]

Driving whilst tired is totally legal yet is much more dangerous.

 

So is driving with children in the car, or anything with an Audi badge on it (um, to avoid insulting all the Audi owners on here, how about if it's just the one with spangly lights?) or when it's actually sunny and girls wear distracting outfits. Doesn't mean we should ignore the factor of alcohol.

 

Oh and don't forget that people do get locked up for driving when tired. Sadly often only when absolute carnage has occured... (Selby anyone?). Not totally legal.

 

I'm ending this one anyway. We're not going to agree. I've said my thoughts (and ignored several others!).

[warren t claim]

I've seen people totally screwed up with lack of sleep get behind the wheel of 44ton wagons and it's a lot more scary than someone who's had three pints.

[eddyramrod]

This is in serious danger of failing to live up to the thread title!

 

For the moment, I'll just say: there is NOTHING draconian about the UK penalties for drink-driving, they're little more than a slap on the wrist. Here speaketh one man, and if you want to disagree that's your right. My view might be slightly tainted by having seen a drunk driver kill a cyclist one Sunday afternoon many years ago.

 

It's simple enough: if you're driving, don't drink/if you're drinking, don't drive. Show me what's so hard to understand there.

 

Then wait till I'm Home Secretary, and watch those bans inflate....

[warren t claim]

Driving whilst tired is totally legal yet is much more dangerous.

 

So is driving with children in the car, or anything with an Audi badge on it (um, to avoid insulting all the Audi owners on here, how about if it's just the one with spangly lights?) or when it's actually sunny and girls wear distracting outfits. Doesn't mean we should ignore the factor of alcohol.

 

Oh and don't forget that people do get locked up for driving when tired. Sadly often only when absolute carnage has occured... (Selby anyone?). Not totally legal.

 

I'm ending this one anyway. We're not going to agree. I've said my thoughts (and ignored several others!).

 

the difference between the Selby disaster and a damaged no claims bonus was a couple of hundred quids worth of crash barrier. DW, I agree totally with what you're saying but I'm just trying to put things into perspective. When I was a motorclcle instructor I used to have to teach something called R.A.P.C.E..

 

Responsibility

Anticipation

Patience

Concentration

Experience

 

Driving whilst tired and after having a blazing row with your other half is a hell of a lot more lethal than being 1mg over the limit.

[autofive]

UKs drink drive limit needs to be reduced to fall in line with most of europe

 

 

i drink OR drive, the two are not compatible

 

otherwise this might happen.....

 

[George-Roper]

[warren t claim]

UKs drink drive limit needs to be reduced to fall in line with most of europe

 

 

i drink OR drive, the two are not compatible

 

otherwise this might happen.....

 

 

More tolerance is shown in mainland Europe than here in the UK.

[M'coli]

Perhaps so - but sleep deprivation is so much more difficult to detect or police. The alcohol limit has to be set somewhere, and somewhere that will allow the vast majority of people who aren't drinking to drive themselves home after, for example, a bowlful of Christmas trifle. Just as there will be people who will be perfectly capable to drive after 3 or 4 pints, there are those who even if they could drive wouldn't be safe after one bottle of alcopops (like a female friend of mine who can get rat-arsed on a bottle of alcopops - she really is that lightweight).

 

We can disagree on the fine detail of the matter, but the limit historically had to be set somewhere.

 

PS that spitfire advert is a belter, and the Withnail and I footage is good for showing the M25 prior to opening!