A SURVEY - on your motivations and interests in 'Autoshite' cars

[forddeliveryboy]

That's how they then do everything after they are hired from those Universities into management positions.

No wonder everything is turning to shit.

If only this were not true.

 

Myself and a colleague are though interested in undertaking research concerning your motivations and views of classic /collector cars - especially those that are not yet perhaps more widely acknowledged as such

So why didn't you just ask these questions?

 

Fwiw, I simply use cars which are really good and which suit my needs and means, given my personal knowledge. Which means most are from the past and are tried and tested.

 

I see how we have passed a notional 'golden age' of the ICEv (cf GG, CAR magazine), its demise has been predicted by steadily falling qualities and over-complication over the last couple of decades. I expect to leapfrog from mid 90s technology built into decent cars directly into pure battery electric cars while hanging on to the odd ancient, iconic, well-engineered relics from the mid to late C20th which please me.

 

Put very simply, that could be Audi 80/Peugeot 405 diesel to Nissan Leaf, with a 2cv or diesel Mercedes retained for uses beyond the capabilities of an EV.

[chodweaver]

'Perceived value'...

A rather astute neighbour of mine offered his opinion on XMs on spying mine, which at the time had not yet become a driveway ornament 'they're great when everything works'

Later, when it had become a driveway ornament, he observed ' you could get good money for that leather interior'.

My response? 'I could break it and make money on it. But then, I wouldn't have an XM any more'

 

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[Talbot]

Thinking back, did you as a child ever want to own a Talbot Horizon?

 

Yes.  When my mother bought a 3-ish year old one, and at age 13 I thought it was amazeballs.  Was a shame that just under 5 years later I was involved in a massive motorway smash driving that same car.

 

I was so impressed* with it, I promptly had a string of 7 of the damn things.

 

I do think the comments here are far more reflective of Autoshite than any survey ever could be.  Yes, it's remarkably hard to write a survey that will suit everyone, but I did think the financial bias on that one was too strong.

 

 

Edit:  and I still want a Talbot Tagora.

[inconsistant]

I really wanted to contribute positively but I found it really difficult to fill in and gave up about 3/4 of the way. I just couldn't get my head around the scenarios that were suggested, they were so abstract that I couldn't imagine how I would respond so my answers were becoming meaningless. Eg: If I won a car up to £7k I'd get one worth £7K, but if I saved up to buy the same type of car I'd get a cheaper less good condition one, certainly nowhere near £7K. I couldn't imagine spending £7K on a car so I found it hard to connect with the scenarios.

 

On the whole, and intending to offer positive critical feedback here, it felt like a very business/economics driven study where money is a major determining factor, and decisions are made rationally. I'm not sure that fits around here, where we generally stick two fingers up at expectation, we're much more irrational/emotionally driven, to the point of making decisions because they're generally accepted by society as the wrong choice (as in, choosing to do something NOT because it is the most prudent, most acceptable or best for our long term health and wellbeing).  

 

Maybe research partnering with someone from a behavioural economics, humanities or sociology/psychology background who could inject some insight into how we behave rationally/emotionally as individuals and culturally in groups might help gain a fuller understanding of the complex culture of old cars that you're seeking to understand. Sensible rational decision making around classic cars creates those rows of MGBs, Minors, Stags, and old Fords with matching fleeces and project boards. And scrappage schemes.

[John F]

Anyway, how about those MILFs?

[UltraWomble]

I think Beko has kind of nailed what the Q's are driving at with regards actual value / perceived value and would you keep on repairing an old nail?

 

Anyway - I still want this Fiesta base please...

[AlabamaShrimp]

Really base mk1 have vinyl seats and not much else.

[UltraWomble]

Really base mk1 have vinyl seats and not much else.

 

I know

 

seat covers from argos.

back shelf from a scrapper

mirrors off a maxi

[AlabamaShrimp]

And it's got those shiny plastic things on the wheels like mine!

 

No side rubbing strip. Only ever seen one close up and that was years ago. Mines a pop plus so has luxury like a back wiper and cloth seats.

 

Anyway that survey, maybe next time do one on how exciting it is to find the lowest trim or something else equally as good.

[UltraWomble]

No heated rear window

2 speed fan

Rubber floor mats

Rubber floor bulb for washers

No ???? but I did fit one

[AlabamaShrimp]

Thread hijack.

 

I have

 

No heated rear screen

Two speed heater

Floor bulb washer

One wing mirror

No reverse light

No adjustment on seats

 

Does have

Rear wiper and wash

Carpet and cloth seats

Centre console with clock and radio, which doesn't work.

Two sun visors (though one only might be a mk2 thing)

Very thin side rubbing strip

 

Cant think of anything else. Oh it's beige!

 

Lots of crap round it as I buried it in the garage to stop it rusting.

 

When I got it it was very cheap now apparently they aren't.

[chaseracer]

That was a little strange.  I've completed Uni surveys in the past and it's on a par with those tbh.  The questions asked will line up with the rest of the thing they're writing, no doubt, but make virtually no sense to anyone taking the survey.  That just seems to be a University thing.

 

The questions actually seemed to be:

How much do you value a brand new base model car you've been given?

How much do you value a classic/collectible car you've been given?

How much would you sell either for if you had to?

How tolerant would you be of repairs to your brand new free car?

How tolerant would you be of repairs to your desirable classic/collectible free car?

How much compensation do you want when people don't keep up their end of the bargain?

 

It's much more to do with money and the value of goods than it is to do with old cars.  It felt more aimed at the classic car speculator that might find a base model city car an insult rather than a benefit.  It felt very much as though it was written by an outsider to the old car hobby/lifestyle than someone who actually understood their audience and that is were it fell down hardest.  Again, this isn't unusual for University type surveys, they very often feel like they're missing the point and are rather designed to tick a box than actually ask or answer any meaningful questions.

 

Back in the Real World^TM then, why not simply frame the questions so they say what they mean (and vice versa)?  Am I alone in feeling just a teensy little bit hacked off at having my time wasted on a load of apparently pointless toss?

 

My hourly rate is £30 - perhaps an invoice is in order... 

 

And breathe.

[chaseracer]

On the whole, and intending to offer positive critical feedback here, it felt like a very business/economics driven study where money is a major determining factor, and decisions are made rationally. I'm not sure that fits around here, where we generally stick two fingers up at expectation, we're much more irrational/emotionally driven, to the point of making decisions because they're generally accepted by society as the wrong choice (as in, choosing to do something NOT because it is the most prudent, most acceptable or best for our long term health and wellbeing).  

 

Maybe research partnering with someone from a behavioural economics, humanities or sociology/psychology background who could inject some insight into how we behave rationally/emotionally as individuals and culturally in groups might help gain a fuller understanding of the complex culture of old cars that you're seeking to understand. Sensible rational decision making around classic cars creates those rows of MGBs, Minors, Stags, and old Fords with matching fleeces and project boards. And scrappage schemes.

 

A perfect summary.

[chodweaver]

 

 

Thread hijack.

 

I have

 

Two speed heater

 

TWO speed heater!

 

 

 

YOU were LUCKY!

 

...4 hours before we went to bed... lick road clean w'tongue..

etc. etc.

 

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[DodgyBastard]

I usually just buy cars that I like the look of or if they are cheap or both.

[Bobthebeard]

I just usually buy cars...

[Junkman]

Back in the Real World^TM then, why not simply frame the questions so they say what they mean (and vice versa)?  Am I alone in feeling just a teensy little bit hacked off at having my time wasted on a load of apparently pointless toss?

 

My hourly rate is £30 - perhaps an invoice is in order... 

 

And breathe.

 

 

I had no idea they are talking about a new Fiesta. I thought it was selected as an example for anything heavily scene taxed thus non shite.

This was based on the fact that I neither know whether Ford actually still make a Fiesta, or how much such a Fiesta there could be leased for.

And it gets worse - I don't give a shit and thus won't check it on one of those terrible www.<current car manufacturer>.com websites,

which make my brain go all mushy mushy exactly like telly does, both of which evidently being designed by recent (i.e. post 1986) university graduates,

thus disturbingly dehumanised.

Also, are there honestly people alive nowadays that expect some form of compensation when their prize win delivery gets delayed a few weeks?

I mean, really?

If yes, I suggest to dust off the guillotine.

 

 

The other day, I read an article about the increasing number of students suffering from burnout syndrome.

Students! Suffering from burnout syndrome!

 

Pahahahaaaaaaaahaha!

 

When I was a student, burnout syndrome was when we had nothing left to smoke at a party.

 

Plus, you should have seen the avalanche of absolutely fantastic prime shite unleashing itself into the uni car park around noon time.

If one of them wasn't a hanging, half arsed parts car, it more than likely belonged to a prof.

Those soy boys nowadays don't even bother to do their licence until their career* demands it.

[UltraWomble]

Back in the Real World^TM then, why not simply frame the questions so they say what they mean (and vice versa)?  Am I alone in feeling just a teensy little bit hacked off at having my time wasted on a load of apparently pointless toss?

 

 

Because different demographics and different socioeconomic groups will answer the same questions differently.

I think because this is AutoShite we are all a bit skewed here when it comes to monetary value and what not.

[beko1987]

Because different demographics and different socioeconomic groups will answer the same questions differently.

I think because this is AutoShite we are all a bit realistic here when it comes to monetary value and what not.

Fixed that for you