Secure shite

[Uncle Jimmy]

Apologies if I'm resurrecting a well worn condom of a topic; the recent and unfortunate stolen mini thread prompts me to ask the collective for (sensible) and low cost thoughts on shite security.

[beko1987]

Someone on here proved a disclock is quite secure a while back

[primeradoner]

I drive around in the biggest heap of crap that is currently in my yard (currently very shabby pogweaselled K11 micra that stinks of dog ) I park it anywhere, never lock it and surprise surprise nobody steals it. My advice is therefore is  drive a car that a thief would be ashamed to be seen in.

[Guest bangerfan101]

Ha love it fin.

My fiesta smells like a cats shit in the mud covered Riggers that get chucked on the back seat everyday.

I don't lock my car ever either

[Hendry]

Surely aftermarket thatcham cat 1 alarm/immobiliser is cheap enough now?

 

I can see how a disclock is a good visual deterrent but surely so is stickers on the windows informing an alarm/immobiliser is fitted, and a flashing red LED? and if some pikey does try and half inch your motor you have a chance of hearing your alarm go off, unlike with a disclock.

[Dave_Q]

There was a thread about reasonably priced trackers, I'll try and find it and bump it.

[cpjitservices]

I tend to not lock the Mondeo when sat on the drive etc. I am in theory of if someone wants to nick it / or something from within it, id rather not have a load of damage I then need to fix like a smashed window or damaged door barrels. Jut take what you want and fuck off, 

 

of course they could try to nick it, not sure how easy it would be to get past the immobilizer without the fob.

[fordperv]

You could start with the easiest ones to disable it by taking the rotor arm out when you park it up or remove the fuel pump relay if it has an electric fuel pump, a hidden switch on the power feed maybe

[wuvvum]

Someone (I think it was on here) suggested buying a cheap iPhone, hardwiring a charger in so it's always on, then hiding it up somewhere behind the dash.  If your car is nicked, you can then simply use the "find my iPhone" app to track it down.

[beko1987]

My green zx had a switch wired up to kill the glow plugs. Previous owner worked on London so would park up and leave it all week, so that disarmed it.

 

I just never locked it and for reasons mentioned above it was fine, same with the xantia, too old and "nah bruv", even though it would probably be more of a reliable getaway car than modern stuff...

 

But on an xud, that's a way to do it. It worked too, I caught it once and it wouldn't start the next time, that was a tense 15 minutes until I figured that out...

 

I think the gooner has some pretty hardcore anti theft devices built in, it's called modern French wiring! Try and hot wire that and see how far you get...

[wuvvum]

Didn't someone manage to start a Laguna 2 using a laptop plugged into the OBD2 port?

[Guest Hooli]

Didn't someone manage to start a Laguna 2 using a laptop plugged into the OBD2 port?

 

Well they don't often start on the button...

Can't see why that wouldn't work tbh as there is no ignition switch as such

[Hendry]

Apparently Fords with the keyless system and "Power start button" are easy to do similar with. But then I'm not surprised because all you need is the key fob close to the car to start it and you can drive off as far as you want without the key fob present, it does keep flashing up on the dash "key not in vehicle" and bonging itself stupid, so starting them via a laptop or cloning the signal or something would probably easily steal it. Heard of it happening to a few Focus ST/RS models.

[mercrocker]

I tend to not lock the Mondeo when sat on the drive etc. I am in theory of if someone wants to nick it / or something from within it, id rather not have a load of damage I then need to fix like a smashed window or damaged door barrels. Jut take what you want and fuck off, 

 

 

 

I follow this theory, too.   Didn't stop some dumb Luton fuckers smashing a rear quarterlight on my unlocked Granada, though.   Just to nick a fucking £15 head unit.

[AlabamaShrimp]

To me this all depends on what hat car you've got. I'm always leaving the Frontera unlocked as the passenger side doesn't always work on the central locking but who would want to take that lump and it's parts are worth sod all.

 

On the other hand the mk2 Fiesta that isn't in the garage has a disclock and I've been known to take the leads off as they are starting to be worth* stupid money now.

[Wack]

If somebody wants it badly enough they'll take it, a couple of examples

 

Trying to steal a bike from a moving car

 

 

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/videos/watch/watch-incredible-moment-a-brazen-thief-tries-to-steal-a-bike-off-the-back-of-a-moving-car?utm_content=manual&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=cyclingweekly

 

Gang steal a R1 in the middle of that London

 

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2017/march/thieves-steal-yamaha-r1-broad-daylight/

[JayW]

I may be old fashioned, but I'm under the impression most motors after '96 are relatively un-nickable due to the introduction of the basic transponder immobiliser.

 

As for older stuff, if I'm keeping it, I usually fit a foolproof immobiliser to the ignition trigger wire costing less than 4 quid and usually taking around half an hour.

 

From maplin / eBay buy a standard 6.3mm mono microphone jack plug and a matching chassis-mount socket. Drill a hole near the ignition, Mount the socket, wire the solenoid trigger through the 2 poles of the socket and redirect the wire out of the normal loom.

 

Now your ignition won't trigger as the socket is open circuit.

 

Open up your matching microphone plug, bridge it's poles, add a keyring.

 

Stick key in ignition, and plug in socket, engine will start.

 

The added bonus is that even if someone nicks your keys, they're unlikely to know what's going on with it.

[strangeangel]

Didn't someone manage to start a Laguna 2 using a laptop plugged into the OBD2 port?

 

Seems plausible, but why would you?

[Pillock]

If I found some keys with a headphone plug on, the first thing I'd be doing is looking for a socket to plug it into. Why else would it be there?

 

Yes immobilisers stop the car being started, but that's not un-nickable. If you can get the wheels pointing in the right direction and the handbrake off, then a tow rope will have it away. If there's access, a Hiab will sort it. All depends how valuable the car is, and sadly with stuff like Minis fetching decent coin it's worth someone risking being noticed in the 2 minutes it'll take.

 

And if it's really valuable, then a knife or something gun-shaped in your face at 2am with someone towering over your bed will normally reveal some keys pretty sharpish. All goes back to how desperately someone wants your car.

 

For chod-grade stuff, then I came up with a decent immobiliser for my mate's Nova. Wired the starter through the rear wash/wipe switch so it would only start if the washer was held down. Who's going to try and start a car with the rear washer held? He's sold it since so I don't mind mentioning it

[Yoss]

My Triumph can only be stolen by someone over 40. It has a manual choke. It will only run on full choke for a few seconds before it goes all chuggy and floods and stalls. So you have to push it away a little. But not too far or it also stalls. But when you pull away you need more choke or else it stalls. You see the pattern? Driving it for the first few minutes involves constant adjustment of choke that only people of a certain age are familiar with.

[AlabamaShrimp]

I've had quite a few comments about the manual choke before, seems an alien concept to some people.

[Hendry]

Ive never understood choke on old cars before, the last car i remember seeing with it was my dads 1986 'D' plate Maestro City, I remember the lever and also remember the light on the dash that illuminated when the choke was engaged but aside from that I have no idea why they were needed, what the point of them was, how they operated, how to work them, etc. Because Ive never needed to because Ive never owned or driven anything old enough to be fitted with one!

[bub2006]

Basically richens the mixture by choking the air inlet to assist with cold starting.

[lisbon_road]

Wow.  Some people must have never had the delight of adjusting points as well.

[Yoss]

Ive never understood choke on old cars before, the last car i remember seeing with it was my dads 1986 'D' plate Maestro City, I remember the lever and also remember the light on the dash that illuminated when the choke was engaged but aside from that I have no idea why they were needed, what the point of them was, how they operated, how to work them, etc. Because Ive never needed to because Ive never owned or driven anything old enough to be fitted with one!

 

My car's safe from you then! Your car has a choke too, it's all just worked out by the ecu.