Bwlch y Groes

[Peblig]

Groeslon = Gr-oh-us-lone. Two syllables. Groe-slone. Groes - One syllable. Emphasis different. Slightly more u sound to the oh part. Was there this morning. Go there most days. Lived there for years.

 

And more than 50 years experience of Welsh as my first language. But we're getting into credentialism and off the subject now. Which was Bwlch Y Groes or Allegros or something. Need more Gilbern.

[Louise2cv]

Actually, there was a Gilbern in Groeslon a couple of weeks ago, beautiful thing on its way down to Aberaeron. The owner was with it though so I couldn't pap it.

 

You'll have probably seen my shite including a series 1 aggro in the past then, unfortunately I have gone all sensible and de-shited my life

 

I hope I haven't offended. I think we'd probably be on the same page re pronunciation if we weren't complicating it by writing it down. Without blowing my own trumpet I have been told my pronunciation is pretty good. I'd like to think I do the language justice because I do value it, very much.

[Peblig]

No offence taken Louise. It was one or two of the other posters that repeated the usual cliched nonsense.

 

Passing the Penionyn I did take note of the Allegro, or the Astra, of course.

[mercrocker]

Anyone know how to say Allegro in Welsh? 

 

 

Nice pics, by the way Squire.  Hope you had a nice day out in it.

[Cavcraft]

I've definitely experienced that 'sudden change of language' in some places in Wales before.

[RoadworkUK]

I have, too, but it was in Clacton-On-Sea. I didn't understand a word of it.

[Rocket88]

What's Gilbern Invader in Welsh?

[dollywobbler]

In conclusion, strangers sometimes get a frosty reception. That happens anywhere. It's just that English folk don't speak a different language. So much is assumed, but Welsh people speak Welsh most of the time! They don't 'turn it on' if an English person arrives.

[bub2006]

Love the photos. I'm still trying to find the road name we went up last year. Really tight and up a steep cliff with drops each side. As for the Welsh, I don't understand it. I'm all for learning new languages but I need to master English first.

[Junkman]

I'm still trying to find the road name we went up last year. Really tight and up a steep cliff with drops each side.

 

A5.

[tooSavvy]

"I'm a Geordie - I know my place!"

 

*we once had the Lindisfarne Gospels... But those 1066 'weekenders' snaffled them down to the land of TOWIE

 

 

TS

[Squire_Dawson]

Sodding internet cut out on me before I finished posting. The best way to approach from a driving point of view is to come from the Dolgellau direction, whereas I tackled the other way from Bala lake. I did not come across another soul whilst up there and on the way down. It is quite a gradient and you would need a powerful car to climb at speed, if you were so inclined. On another main road I was reduced to 2nd gear on a moderate gradient and the engine ran out of puff, I suspect due to the effects of thinner air at high altitude.

 

[Squire_Dawson]

[Squire_Dawson]

Thanks for all comments, I tried to take some decent photos. Maybe I should've titled the thread 'Hellfire Pass' instead! I presume the 'Groes' refers to the cross at the top to mark the ancient pilgrim route.

[Louise2cv]

What a fine looking motor vehicle. As a child I was scared of Allegros; I found the shape really creepy. (I've always been weird you see) 

 

But now I think they are really quite smart. Its a shame its the done thing to poke fun at them, I think if you could look and put all the stories to one side they might get a much better write up. I know series 3 were meant to be the better car but they were much uglier than s1 and 2. 

[vulgalour]

Very fond memories of family holidays to Wales.  It's a lovely place, just very wet every time I go.  The photographs of the Allegro in the Welsh countryside are really nice and are giving me pleasant feelings of nostalgia.

[mat_the_cat]

Love the photos. I'm still trying to find the road name we went up last year. Really tight and up a steep cliff with drops each side.

 

Is this any help?

http://autoshite.com/topic/19586-shitefest-2015-5-7th-june

[bub2006]

Thanks but without driving it all I can pinpoint where the bit is!

[dollywobbler]

Whatever you want to call it, I once cooked the 2CVs brakes on the way down. I just about managed to slow down from over 60mph without completely running out of stoppers. Was a bit borderline!

[vaughant]

Not a lot of Welsh spoken in the south and more likely to hear a Home Counties accent where I'm living but go ever so slightly inland or up the valleys and it's commonplace to be heard as the mother tongue.

Must admit my interest ended at school level but it would be nice to at least understand SOME of it. The popty ping thing is annoying though along with the "it always rains" nonsense, try living in Manchester or Burnley then you really can say it rains everyday, because it does.

Some survey years ago came up with Swansea as britains wettest City and it stuck but I don't think it's even in the top ten now, their all in Englandshire or Scotlandshire.

There's good and bad parts of everywhere though and if I open my mouth in most parts of Wales I get called English as I perhaps speak a bit to PROPPPPAAA for some folk.

INNNIT BLUD, YOU GET ME????

[New POD]

Anyway, Beautiful Mountains, in any language.

[TRW]

Meibion Glyndŵr

 

R. S. Thomas

 

Etc

 

I came into thread for the hills and Allegro. Not for GSCE Welsh. Been there done that.

 

This place.......Etc

[bub2006]

Whatever you want to call it, I once cooked the 2CVs brakes on the way down. I just about managed to slow down from over 60mph without completely running out of stoppers. Was a bit borderline!

you know it too? Went up it at sf15 but have been up and down it with the Honda cub brigade and i still can't find it!

[dollywobbler]

Dinas Mawddwy (if I've spelt that right) is the start point, heading up towards Lake Vyrnwy.

[Cavcraft]

I cooked the brakes on my Iveco giving it large between Corwen and Dolgellau. I smelt the heat but just ignored it: when I got to Gwyndaf Evan's garage one of his mechanics laughed his bollocks off when he saw the glowing red brakes.

That Dinas Mawddwy was a bastard to get up if loaded but coming down was a right laugh.

[Arthur Foxhake]

I went to a very good three day party in the woods there a couple of months ago.

Towing a caravan with a pajero. Yip. Good times.

[bub2006]

Hellfire pass. That's the one if it goes down through all the trees that someone said the wrc went through

[Lankytim]

The top of Dinas Mawddwy (think it's pronounced Dennis Mawdry) has a little car park for suffering shite to recouperate. Great views of the stars on a clear night. Lovely and romantic in its own way.