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[Vantman]

I have just unearthed these Magirus Deutz press photo's that were shot at Brands Hatch circuit and Chilham square,both in Kent. This would be circa 1965/6 when I worked for Blundells of Canterbury the original importer.

 

[willswitchengage]

https://youtu.be/RD_cMPvcoRg?t=24s

 

Earporn at 24 seconds

[Grundig]

Does anyone still use those electric retarders they used to have on coaches?

 

 

[legasoil96]

Few of my fathers tatty truck collection

Unic is undergoing travail avant le retour across ze channel. Its got a 6 cylinder Fiat engine

 

Fg's still going strong - ish

 

[legasoil96]

This FE he used as a scrap lorry during the nineties with a dropside and hiab. Plans are to put a beavertail on the back soon.

[Jim Bell]

Just some randoms harvested from Facebook.

[Coprolalia]

This FE he used as a scrap lorry during the nineties with a dropside and hiab. Plans are to put a beavertail on the back soon.

 

Good to see the FE is still going strong.

[willswitchengage]

One of my colleagues made a rather crude joke the other day that the recent terrorist attacks in Berlin and Nice were copycats of Harry Clarke the Glasgow bin-lorry driver. However he does have a point - a lorry can be just as dangerous whether your foot is on the floor intentionally or through passing out. Would these new safety aids such as active braking systems have prevented or mitigated against these disasters? I don't know if they've hit production yet but all the major manufacturers have promoted them.

 

 

Incidentally this is a quite heartwarming news story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38443446

[Richard]

One of my colleagues made a rather crude joke the other day that the recent terrorist attacks in Berlin and Nice were copycats of Harry Clarke the Glasgow bin-lorry driver.

 

I think he's probably right.

[Split_Pin]

Of any of you use Facebook there's actually a fair few cracking lorry pages. Makes having the app worthwhile.

 

Abandoned Lorries Past and Present

Trev's Truck pics Malta -Gozo (99% confirmed ex-UK chod)

Haulage Yards Past and Present (chap on there has kindly provided a picture of a lorry from the Haulage Firm I worked at of which there is otherwise nil information online)

[Jim Bell]

Of any of you use Facebook there's actually a fair few cracking lorry pages. Makes having the app worthwhile.

 

Abandoned Lorries Past and Present

Trev's Truck pics Malta -Gozo (99% confirmed ex-UK chod)

Haulage Yards Past and Present (chap on there has kindly provided a picture of a lorry from the Haulage Firm I worked at of which there is otherwise nil information online)

Lorries of old London is also good on FB.

[gordonbennet]

AEBS (autobraking) feature can be disabled on the ones we have so far, has to be, imagine the swathes of wreckage if random lorries brake for no reason at all when we're all mincing along on packed snow and black ice.

Blokes on the lorry forum report some lorries slamming on the brakes at motorway overbridges, one of my colleagues his heap stopped dead when it 'saw' the last set of middle of road bollards just before Olney market place.

A world of difference between controlled stopping in test conditions and the real world when not only traffic parked vehicles random people and animals and weather affect things but when several Brit winters worth of salt have been through the system.

 

The best defence against scum likely to hijack an innocent lorry driver is for the innocent to be allowed to arm themselves, instead of the present system where just criminals are the only ones with weapons, well apart that is from the old bill, if you can find one when you need one.

Similarly at one time you had to be a lorry driver to drive a lorry, gearboxes especially took some mastering and you needed some muscle to turn a non power steering wagon, now to suit the current skills requirement titled lowest common denominator, any bloody fool can now drive one so any piece of scum can hijack one, select D press the loud pedal and steer it to their greater glory.

[cros]

AEBS (autobraking) feature can be disabled on the ones we have so far, has to be, imagine the swathes of wreckage if random lorries brake for no reason at all when we're all mincing along on packed snow and black ice.

Blokes on the lorry forum report some lorries slamming on the brakes at motorway overbridges, one of my colleagues his heap stopped dead when it 'saw' the last set of middle of road bollards just before Olney market place.

I had a similar occurrence in Olney when the Dodge 'Commando' tipper I was driving 'saw' a scantily clad bird crossing the road. More recently, an Austin nativity scene as the Loadstar gives birth. It was a difficult delivery, one of the sills got a good scraping.

[gordonbennet]

Never found Olney that good for the perving of, but St Neots was wondrous when the real A45 used to pass straight through the centre, was an excellent town to be stuck in as you negotiated your way slowly past the market place and over the bridge, not scantily clad but well presented as the lovely ladies were in times gone by, so they tell me.

 

^^ that there lorry is the sort we should be using still, no low life going to be jumping in that selecting D and pressing the loud pedal to red hot poker up the arse (hopefully) paradise.

[cros]

I'll raise Mr GB's St Neots with a diversion through Cambridge market place on a hot Saturday afternoon towing something that needs extreme caution. Not advisable these days with those bollards popping up out the road.

[willswitchengage]

Interesting article about the demise of Dennis http://autonews.uk.com/whatever-happened-to-dennis-fire-engines/

[Cavcraft]

That 'Abandoned lorries past and present' page should come with a content warning, it's bloody addictive! 

[Jon]

Here's another quite interesting Facebook group: Old Gear of New Zealand. Covers tractors, plant and trucks, so quite varied and much of it pretty cool.

 

Here's a couple of favourites:

 

 

MAN 8x8, for spreading fertiliser on farms.

 

 

 

Never seen a colour photo of this Car Haulaways Leyland. 

 

There's plenty more Kiwi ingenuity here: https://www.facebook.com/pg/OldGearOfNewZealand/photos/

[v8 scania]

I passed both tests in manual lorries, but the training firm I used have I believe gone fully auto now. Took both tests in Peterborough.

 

Many years of riding shotgun with experienced 'old hands' have left me firmly in the camp of making the most of the engine/exhaust brakand gearbox for slowing down. The two stage jake brake in our ERF, was just the bollox - plan ahead properly and you'd go for miles without touching the foot brake, flipping marvellous.  I was always told with low loaders to imagine you were driving with no chains or straps on the load - stood me in good stead so far.

 

Mine's a 16 speed manual but she is gonna have to go soon.... or maybe just be retired from the front line, after 8 years it owes us sod all and generally has been a damn good truck (480bhp Daf 95 XF).

I passed both tests in manual lorries, but the training firm I used have I believe gone fully auto now. Took both tests in Peterborough.

 

Many years of riding shotgun with experienced 'old hands' have left me firmly in the camp of making the most of the engine/exhaust brake and gearbox for slowing down. The two stage jake brake in our ERF, was just the bollox - plan ahead properly and you'd go for miles without touching the foot brake, flipping marvellous.  I was always told with low loaders to imagine you were driving with no chains or straps on the load - stood me in good stead so far.

 

Mine's a 16 speed manual but she is gonna have to go soon.... or maybe just be retired from the front line, after 8 years it owes us sod all and generally has been a damn good truck (480bhp Daf 95 XF).

I took my class 1 in a scania 3 pedal opticruise and wait for it in a wagon and drag I couldn't believe how different that and an artic was to drive my son took his in a manual class 1 abd thinks there better ive only driven autos in the 2 years ive passed but the firm ive been put in let me out in a volvo fh 480 globetrotter with a 3 over 3 box and I thought it was brilliant

[Guest Hooli]

Here's another quite interesting Facebook group: Old Gear of New Zealand. Covers tractors, plant and trucks, so quite varied and much of it pretty cool.

 

Here's a couple of favourites:

 

 

MAN 8x8, for spreading fertiliser on farms.

 

 

 

Never seen a colour photo of this Car Haulaways Leyland. 

 

There's plenty more Kiwi ingenuity here: https://www.facebook.com/pg/OldGearOfNewZealand/photos/

 

I want that 8x8, it's cool.

[mercrocker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's plenty more Kiwi ingenuity here: https://www.facebook.com/pg/OldGearOfNewZealand/photos/

 

 

Cheers Jon   That lot is going to keep me up tonight.....!

[Jim Bell]

Who ordered the sugar?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[gordonbennet]

Beautiful body on that Albion sugar wagon.

 

Guy Invincible or Warrior above, anyone know what the difference was between the two, oh and which one that is...ta very much.

[bigstraight6]

Beautiful body on that Albion sugar wagon.

 

Guy Invincible or Warrior above, anyone know what the difference was between the two, oh and which one that is...ta very much.

That one is an Invincible, I think the Warrior replaced the Invincible. Great looking lorries those old Guys....

[simmo]

One of my colleagues made a rather crude joke the other day that the recent terrorist attacks in Berlin and Nice were copycats of Harry Clarke the Glasgow bin-lorry driver. However he does have a point - a lorry can be just as dangerous whether your foot is on the floor intentionally or through passing out. Would these new safety aids such as active braking systems have prevented or mitigated against these disasters? I don't know if they've hit production yet but all the major manufacturers have promoted them.

 

 

Incidentally this is a quite heartwarming news story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38443446

 

Got a bit of a conspicuously theory on the bin truck based on some work experiences.  Bin trucks come from the manufacturers designed to pack a legal load, if you can get an extra tonne or two on it means less trips to the tip and earlier finish and off to your second job.  Best way to achieve this is to increase the hydraulic pressure this is done by increasing the engine speed on the packing cycle which is relative easy,  When the trucks were manual Seddons (Jack Allen and Norba  bodies) and SD Revopacks it was a problem with the damage to the bodies but not that dangerous.  The next generation were Dennis Phoenix 2Ms with a Cummins engine and auto transmission, these were interlocked in that you couldn't start to pack with vehicle in gear but if you hit the pack button (by operator at the back of the vehicle) then put it in gear by the driver it would go into gear.  As an aside there was a picture in the local rag of a Dennis Phoneix two thirds into a furniture shop.  incidentally the worst time for them fiddling with trucks was the fortnight before Christmas, for some reason.

[mercrocker]

That one is an Invincible, I think the Warrior replaced the Invincible. Great looking lorries those old Guys....

 

I seem to recall they were current together - the Invincible being in a higher weight range (Warrior up to 20T and Invincible upwards including 8 leggers).     

 

They certainly had terrific styling.... 

 

Those Albion Sugar eight leggers were usually Fodens - one was on the show circuit about 30 years ago (604 GXV) and I seem to remember the bulk body being converted to stealthy living accomodation.

[rml2345]

I seem to recall they were current together - the Invincible being in a higher weight range (Warrior up to 20T and Invincible upwards including 8 leggers).

That's what I thought as the Big J replaced them both after Jaguar bought the company.

[willswitchengage]

Got a bit of a conspicuously theory on the bin truck based on some work experiences.  Bin trucks come from the manufacturers designed to pack a legal load, if you can get an extra tonne or two on it means less trips to the tip and earlier finish and off to your second job.  Best way to achieve this is to increase the hydraulic pressure this is done by increasing the engine speed on the packing cycle which is relative easy,  When the trucks were manual Seddons (Jack Allen and Norba  bodies) and SD Revopacks it was a problem with the damage to the bodies but not that dangerous.  The next generation were Dennis Phoenix 2Ms with a Cummins engine and auto transmission, these were interlocked in that you couldn't start to pack with vehicle in gear but if you hit the pack button (by operator at the back of the vehicle) then put it in gear by the driver it would go into gear.  As an aside there was a picture in the local rag of a Dennis Phoneix two thirds into a furniture shop.  incidentally the worst time for them fiddling with trucks was the fortnight before Christmas, for some reason.

 

I think it was a DAF 75 which he crashed but that would have still had the Allison auto I imagine. Don't they have onboard weighing gear that starts lighting up alarms if it goes over its registered weight?

[scruff]

****warning modernz content****

 

Do any of the truckers among us drive a Volvo??

 

I am shopping for a newer unit at the mo and pretty convinced by an FH... cracking prep+warranty package on offer on the 'approved' used stock and even shopping at what is admittedly the lower price end of what they deal with, the Volvo salesmen seem the most sound. Went to look at a 13 plate yesterday and it was a bit rough TBH, had tipping gear and obviously been used for some hauling some pretty corrosive stuff. The cab was also covered in dents, though fair play, it was mintola inside. The FH seems like a damn nice place to spend the working day, am I wrong? Hope not, my arse is gonna be the one in the seat.

 

Some other observations - the Daf auto really is as bumshat as you have all led me to believe, a shame as I quite like the XF, pretty workmanlike and our garage run em so theres always spares on the shelf. There's a few manuals still about but the boss wants an auto for the 1 day a year he might drive it which is fair enough, he writes the cheque after all.

 

MANs are well cheap, put off by horror stories of the 440 engine tho, and the 480s seem to be mythical beasts which when they appear for sale are either absolutely banjaxed or have over a million clicks, which is a bit much. Shame you can't buy one with a Cummins!!! 

 

Surprised how cheap Mercs felt considering how much they hold their value

 

Scania just didn't do anything for me... salesmen seemed keen to flog me a big fuck off V8 for £60k+ but not much else. Ovlov dealers are closer anyway.

 

The hunt continues, though I am flat out with exhibition work in the old Daf for at least the next month so no rush.

[5speedracer]

According to lads on Trucknet a new Iveco 460 can b had for 3yr lease at £299 mth, no deposit. No brainer !

 

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