Private parking charges - Supreme Court decision changes the law

[fairkens]

I'm currently in dispute with aldi and parking eye over a £70 unenforceable "speculative invoice" for overstaying 20mins due to my disabled wife not being able to get round the store in the allotted time.

 

General consensus is, don't admit who the driver is and ignore

 

The parking eye v's beavis case is well documented and is currently going to the Supreme Court.

Did u read the OP love?

 

Beavis was pro bonio represented (in the Supreme Court at least)

[New POD]

The alternative to all this would be to require all suitable car parks to have a gated exit, which would require a fee if the time between passing the ANPR camera you pass on the way in, and seeing the anpr camera at the gate is greater than the free time allowed, or if a barcoded receipt from one of the retail establishments could not be flashed.

 

Basically get rid of all pay and display, and the employment of enforcers.

 

That way. No need for anyone to contact the DVLA or the registered keeper. Your car is effectively stuck unless someone pays the legitimate fee.

[strangeangel]

Is there any one on peebumweewillyploppybumpoo who is not a paid up, carpet chewing, frothing, tinfoil nutjob loonatron?   Or else a ballsaching jobsworthy I know my rights cardigan wearing stamp collector micropedant and taker of points?   

 

Did one of them shag your mum/cat/siginificant other/you? I only ask because you seem disproportionately angry about something that really isn't of any great importance or interest, especially to someone who never parks "like a cunt".

[pompei]

When I was a lowly law student hundreds of years ago, I used to get quite hacked off reading through a 30 page judgement, only to find that there were four others to go at if it was a House of Lords case. (It used to amuse me, however, when Lords 2,3,4 & 5 would simply state, "I concur")  Now, in a different life, I rather miss reading those largely well put together tracts.  

[Pete-M]

"except for viewers in Scotland"

Wait til you lot get cars.

[Junkman]

(It used to amuse me, however, when Lords 2,3,4 & 5 would simply state, "I concur")

 

Did they wear those daft looking wigs?

 

I walk over to Aldi. It's only 50 yards from my house.

And for the life of me, I fail to imagine anything that could possibly keep me in there for over two hours this side of a hostage situation.

That irregular tile floor usually drives me out after 4 minutes max.

[purplebargeken]

 

 

Solution: do not park like a cunt.  Then you pay nothing.  Park like a cunt, pay up.  Simples.

 

I find that this sums it up rather neatly. They really could have said that in the first instance and it would have saved a lot of time and paper

 

If I am not in and out of these poxy car parks within 20 minutes I may actually have died. 

[Richard]

If I go in one at all my day has gone wrong.

[Craig the Princess]

I find that this sums it up rather neatly. They really could have said that in the first instance and it would have saved a lot of time and paper

 

If I am not in and out of these poxy car parks within 20 minutes I may actually have died.

Sadly while many park like a cunt and try and use the system to get out of a legitimate charge it isn't always the case. British Parking Services put up signs on a private road next to a train station. They claim this was Sunday, Mrs the princess didn't see them on Monday morning (personally I don't believe these A4 paper sized signs were there unto after she parked but I digress). Until this point we didn't know it was a private road, no signs and the road just continues. This was when the could clamp your car, £230 they took from us as a release fee.

 

The whole parking charge sector needs reform to a coherent set of rules with an ombudsman to ensure fair play and crb checks on staff who access personal data. But Mrs measure the size of the foot on the sign sounds like a prick.

[purplebargeken]

Oh that is not good at all

 

I was just referring to the supermarket/McD parking shite though.

 

That is just plain nasty. Damn.

[BorniteIdentity]

Right and wrong.  They have NEVER been allowed to charge disproportionate amounts (it's not a fine, only the State can fine you).   They still aren't allowed to do that.  They are allowed to have a business that is based on charging people for parking like cunts.    85 quid is a reasonable amount to charge someone who parks like a cunt.

 

Solution: do not park like a cunt.  Then you pay nothing.  Park like a cunt, pay up.  Simples.

This should have been the opening post.

 

Would have saved me at least 5 yonks.

[Craig the Princess]

Oh that is not good at all

 

I was just referring to the supermarket/McD parking shite though.

 

That is just plain nasty. Damn.

Yes that is more clear cut, an a ticket of around £85 doesn't seem unreasonable to me (close to a speeding fine).

I do much prefer those car parks with pay stations on exit however.

[UltraWomble]

There is a car park  in Morecambe that is a PE covered car park - if you take a minute to gaffer tape over your number plates when going in / coming out then they dont* charge you.

Allegedly. 

[Andrew353w]

ANPR systems are used where I work to control and charge (where appropriate) passengers, "meeters & greeters" and staff on legitimate business. The system generally works well, as you have to pay at a pay station, some distance from the exit, before you drive out. The exit barrier doesn't accept payment of any kind (cards, shirt buttons, dead rats, cash etc.) and the barriers are arranged in such a way that if you're behind a driver who hasn't pre-paid his fee you're diverted to the next available empty exit point. It proves that decent parking arrangements, clearly explained and (usually) fully understood by everyone makes sense and are generally accepted as fair.

 

The above systems cost money, and I suspect the "wide hat brigade" don't want to make the initial investment and just want to make a "quick buck" (other currencies are available)

[scaryoldcortina]

It seems pretty clear to me that most PPC are about making as much money as possible, not controlling parking.

 

My local ASDA is a good example - it's got a big car park and it is within 100 yards of two other big car parks, both of which are council owned and free to park for however long you want to. Last year ASDA employed a PPC to put up cameras and signs and they started to "operate" the car park - no on the ground staff stopping idiots parking across the doors or checking entitlement to disabled spaces, just the cameras. Six months later they took them all down again, presumably because no-one parks there for more than two hours. Why would you?

[Louise2cv]

I'm prob gonna get banned from the other site; she back again offering similar advice:

 

"A good one to appeal on is the signage too. The BPA has very strict criteria on the size and prominence of signs."

 

 

I've asked her to clarify if she overstayed because she couldn't read the letters on the sign or if as per her first post she got carried away doing some work on her laptop in the coffee shop.

 

I agree the parking company should stick to the rules too but this woman is just like all the other people who refuse to take responsibility for their own mistakes. It drives me mad!!!

[Louise2cv]

Also I can't believe I'm the only person who isn't borderline obsessive about parking restrictions, I always check and double check "are there signs, what are the limits, am I in the lines, do I pay now or when I leave, does the carpark close at some point, have I got the info on the sign right"

 

Sounds long winded, but in reality this takes no time at all.

 

 

My gripe is about whingers who like the lady above, haven't been caught out by dodgy operators, missing info, or whatever. People (just like speeding ticket whingers) who chanced their luck and lost, who then want to stop playing the game they liked when they were winning and have a paddy and want to get the rules checked and double checked.

 

Of course I have got carried away and been late to the car a couple of times, luckily for me, I "got away with it" but if I had been caught, I'd have had to suck it up and pay, its my fault, nobody else's.

[scaryoldcortina]

^ No, it isn't just you. I'm also obsessive about ensuring that I'm parked legally, which is why I was so irritated at getting my first ticket ever.

[Louise2cv]

Which is exactly why the appeals system should be for people like you who genuinely have a case to bring rather than people who didn't think to check the time before ordering their second cup of coffee.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the right to reply and I don't for one second believe carpark companies never make a mistake, I just hate the stories that you often hear on the internet that usually boil down to an individual not paying attention.

 

 

"Your signs are the wrong shade of black" "the letters are 3mm too small" "it was going dark and my headlights don't shine up that high". Urgh.

[garbaldy]

True but why are you getting so riled about it, let her think she's right then get slapped with the fine anyway.

Some wimmen are never wrong even when they are.

[Louise2cv]

Because its easier than getting off my arse and hoovering

 

You are right, of course.

[Pete-M]

These parking firms do take the piss though. The ones who tried to fry me for visiting a drive through McDs had ANPR, so they must have known that the car park was about as empty as it could be yet they still tried to squeeze me for £80 for being there for 1h40 late at night.

 

There were probably 3990 empty spaces that night. My visit to Big Ron's Food Emporium was 10 min over their alleged limit, but my being there did not cause any demonstrable loss or harm to their car park or the local businesses - as I'd spent money at McDs I'd actually brought them profit, yet they tried to screw me for £80 for parking in an empty car park.

 

If I'd stayed 10 min over during Boxing Day or a Saturday afternoon then I'd happily pay up. Midnight on a Wednesday and I've not caused any harm, loss or inconvenience so I shouldn't be getting charged.

 

The signs there are shit, but you don't expect to be fined for parking in a restaurant car park when you're eating there....

[drum]

I have one question on this.

 

What is peebumwillypoo?

[Richard]

A very rude word.

[garbaldy]

It's a website where people who have been naughty gather round and tell each other how to get off with doing 132 in a golf.

[scaryoldcortina]

These parking firms do take the piss though. The ones who tried to fry me for visiting a drive through McDs had ANPR, so they must have known that the car park was about as empty as it could be yet they still tried to squeeze me for £80 for being there for 1h40 late at night.

 

There were probably 3990 empty spaces that night. My visit to Big Ron's Food Emporium was 10 min over their alleged limit, but my being there did not cause any demonstrable loss or harm to their car park or the local businesses - as I'd spent money at McDs I'd actually brought them profit, yet they tried to screw me for £80 for parking in an empty car park.

 

If I'd stayed 10 min over during Boxing Day or a Saturday afternoon then I'd happily pay up. Midnight on a Wednesday and I've not caused any harm, loss or inconvenience so I shouldn't be getting charged.

 

The signs there are shit, but you don't expect to be fined for parking in a restaurant car park when you're eating there....

 

Council contracted Civil enforcement officers aren't immune from this either - taking longer than 5 minutes to load in a bay that is in a quiet cul-de-sac and barely used at all because it isn't in a useful place for anyone except the shop I was loading from wasn't causing any harm either, but because their rules state that after 5 minutes observation they can ticket me.... no suggestion of using common sense, or being at all lenient so far either.

[Junkman]

Which is exactly why the appeals system should be for people like you who genuinely have a case to bring rather than people who didn't think to check the time before ordering their second cup of coffee.

 

This raises another point - I don't know of any other country where it can take over two hours to get two cups of coffee, which should be made a capital offense,

if it isn't one already.

[Guest Breadvan72]

I'm currently in dispute with aldi and parking eye over a £70 unenforceable "speculative invoice" for overstaying 20mins due to my disabled wife not being able to get round the store in the allotted time.

 

General consensus is, don't admit who the driver is and ignore the invoice...

 

After a while and a few pestering letters they give up and move onto the next one hoping that'll get paid.

 

The issue I have is that I was photographed going in and coming out, nothing of us sat in the car waiting for her meds to kick in then her struggle to get round the shop and back to the car.

 

Also, the sign is in a place that, as you drive into the car park, your looking left away from it, to avoid cars coming out.

 

I don't have much time for people like the woman mentioned who sounds like she knew the restrictions but went ahead!

 

The parking eye v's beavis case is well documented and is currently going to the Supreme Court.

 

 

WAKEY WAKEY!!!!  This thread is about the Supreme Court's decision in the Beavis case.  There is a clue in the title of the thread. The thread that you just posted in.  Yes, that thread.  Beavis ain't going to the Supreme Court.   It's been to the Supreme Court.   WAKEY WAKEY!!! Your World just changed.  OI!!! ARE YOU AWAKE THERE AT THE BACK?

 

PS:  WAKE UP!

[Guest Breadvan72]

Did one of them shag your mum/cat/siginificant other/you? I only ask because you seem disproportionately angry about something that really isn't of any great importance or interest, especially to someone who never parks "like a cunt".

 

 

You mistake derision for anger.   Tinfoil hattists make me laugh. 

[NorfolkNWeigh]

Serious question for the Breadmeister, will this mean potentially mean Parking Eye etc can now go back to the penalties that were binned in previous years and have a big cash collection bonanza for Christmas ?