DSdriver Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 A small red fiat has been left with us and I was going to move it yesterday but after four turns of the key it hadn't burst into life like I was expecting. It has some sort of auto/semiauto gear selection. Is there some sort of masonic ritual to get it going or am I being a wus because I don't want to flatten the battery and lose the radio code?
chaseracer Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Couple of litres of 95RON. Match. Jobbed. HTH. Next! davidfowler2000, DSdriver, Paul Dupart and 3 others 6
chaseracer Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Stupid questions. Is it in P? Does it need the brake pedal pressing?
DSdriver Posted October 18, 2015 Author Posted October 18, 2015 Stupid questions. Is it in P? Does it need the brake pedal pressing? I have wondered about that since. Gear leaver is in forward right position whatever that means.
Mr_Bo11ox Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I bet DSD is well grateful for all this help* alf892, Lacquer Peel, Twiggy and 2 others 5
cobblers Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 You need your foot on the brake pedal to start it or change gear or it just beeps at you. Sometimes it beeps at you anyway. DSdriver 1
billyboy406v6 Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Move it with a fork lift ? Taff and Junkman 2
Felly Magic Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 It's italian, it's surrendered, so kill it with lots of fire, brimstone, and a nuclear device
twosmoke300 Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 They haven't left you the spare key have they ? It might not be coded michael1703 1
captain_70s Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Advice on not starting in the manual will be: "Please contact your local Fiat dealer". DSdriver, rml2345 and cms206 3
KruJoe Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Our little Seicento has played silly buggers a couple times when we tried a cold start. Spins over just fine, but won't even cough - like someone's pulled off the king lead.A bit of googling suggests the crank sensor is to blame - it gets grubby and wet, it's next to the crank pulley just inboard of the OSF wheel, and may be persuaded to work after a quick wipe off. I've not done owt with ours yet, coz swearing has worked, also CBA. DSdriver 1
DSdriver Posted October 19, 2015 Author Posted October 19, 2015 Is it a Dualogic thingy?Haven't a clue. Basically it is a recent purchase and has been left in one of my barn spaces until it will be needed in January. My son and his girlfiend/fiance/mistress/live-in-lover/delete-as-applicable bought it for her to use but found that if they waited until Jan she will be up for full no-claims so will be much cheaper. At the moment she is driving our Peugeot-of-last-resort as an add-on to our insurance.I thought it would be a good idea to run the engine for a while to top the battery up as that is an unknown quantity and the seller didn't supply a radio code. Unless a previous owner has written it in the Owners Manual that Tayne mentioned, Haven't had a chance to go and get that out yet.It has some sort of hi tech gearbox that you can use either as an automatic or as a semi auto. I haven't driven it, or even counted the number of pedals.
HH-R Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 These are a right pig unless the battery is absolutely tip top. Sounds just like mine was, crank crank crank but no go. Other than swearing at it, nothing seemed to help.
HH-R Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 BTW I don't think modern Fiats use a code like in the old days, I think unless they're transferred ve-hickle then the radio will be OK, CANBUS evilness. Mine certainly survived a few battery disconnections. DSdriver 1
capsuleboy Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 DS does this mean you have barn spaces to rent?If so I could be very intersted, dependant on the outcome of the up coming ACA classic sale. I have 3 of my fleet entered, mainly due to loosing my barn store.PM me if it might be possible.Stuart.
DSdriver Posted October 19, 2015 Author Posted October 19, 2015 DS does this mean you have barn spaces to rent?If so I could be very intersted, dependant on the outcome of the up coming ACA classic sale. I have 3 of my fleet entered, mainly due to loosing my barn store.PM me if it might be possible.Stuart. Its not my barn (I wish), I just rent a couple of spaces. There does seem to be a lot of gaps at the mo so I will pm you the details when I have dug them out after supper. Its mid Kent by the way.
Barry Cade Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 Make sure it isn't actually in gear- try and push it back and forward in "N", it wont turn over at all if this is the issue.If it is turning over, but just not firing, then its feck all to do with the gearbox.... usual culprits here- spark,fuel,compression.
DSdriver Posted October 24, 2015 Author Posted October 24, 2015 There should be a little box on the dash in front of the passenger seat.In it you'll find a wallet containing at least two books, one of which will have the word "manual" on the front.In that book, you'll find instructions on how to start the car.Sadly, this appears to not be a feature on this model (which is a 55 plate Panda by the way). I had another go today with foot on brake (only two pedals so that was easy to work out), tried gear lever in middle position, tried adding jump leads from running Safari. Nope. When I got home MrsDS told me that I needed to put my foot on the brake and do something with the key at stage 2. Instructions from son which she swears blind she had told me before. I never listen. Any idea what she is on about for when I try again on Monday?
HH-R Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 Had a 2005 Panda and a 2009, the 2009 did exactly this. I hated it so I just used to hold the starter on until it started, sometimes took nearly a minute and a flattened battery for it to splutter in to life. Not the most mechanically sympathetic approach but I would have never got to work otherwise. Is the engine management light on? The crank and cam sensors are a favourite on these, I think the crank sensor affects starting more than the cam, but the only code mine ever threw up was camshaft position sensor A. The connectors to the engine management unit coming adrift is common too. I'd advise them to get rid TBH, even though they're about as advanced as Fred Flintstone's car they're a nightmare of unfindable misfires, not starting, jerking, ECU faults, sensor and wiring faults.
HH-R Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 I've just looked in the handbook for my 2005 one (it was written off so I still have it) and it doesn't even mention the auto box, sorry. It says at the front that it describes all of the models of Panda but presumably there was a separate book for the auto!
DSdriver Posted October 24, 2015 Author Posted October 24, 2015 ...I'd advise them to get rid TBH, even though they're about as advanced as Fred Flintstone's car they're a nightmare of unfindable misfires, not starting, jerking, ECU faults, sensor and wiring faults. Erm, they only just bought it, and have only driven it from where it was bought to the barn. I think its a bit early to condemn it as being unreliable. Yes the engine management light is on, but so are all the others cos it aint started yet. Thanks for checking out the manual. Shame its only a manual manual. Hopefully son has got the offending article with all the paperwork. I will pick up a solar charger tomorrow and plug that in.
HH-R Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 Aye, I might be jumping to conclusions. Just bitter, bitter experience!
Junkman Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 I always thought not starting is the default for Fiats since the dawn of days and that the natural means of locomotion for Fiats is being pushed.At least going by the amount of pushage I did to many Fiats when I was still young. Not one of them was mine, mind.
DSdriver Posted October 31, 2015 Author Posted October 31, 2015 Apparently the key with the remote locking buttons has a fucked chip and wont start the car, using the other key starts the engine immediately.Only found this out after about twenty mins of cranking using jump leads from another car and half a tin of Easystart. HohumThanks for all the great ideas though. KruJoe 1
KruJoe Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Ours had another episode this week, out all morning no bother, jumped in after lunch, spinning over fine, no sign of a cough. Six hours later, sparked up first go. Bloody thing.New crank sensor now ordered.I stuck it on the ramps, wiped the damp crap off the sensor, wire-wheeled off the crusty crank pulley teeth and sprayed some WD about, so hopefully it behaves for now and the new sensor cures it.
DSdriver Posted October 31, 2015 Author Posted October 31, 2015 Yeah, never had that problem with the DS. Who in their right mind puts a chip in a key which defeats its reason for being?
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