Road Fund Licence For Older Cars

[UmBongo]

Rhetorical question alert!

 

Will any political party ever consider a change in these outmoded tax laws?

 

I own a car that is nearly thirty years old.

 

I drive it maybe once or twice a week, and for this I have the great pleasure of paying £230 per annum.

 

I would love to buy more shite but it's the tax that prevents me going ahead.

 

Now, I wouldn't mind so much if I used the car on a daily basis, but I don't.

 

My brother suggested that a higher tax on fuel instead of an actual RFL charge would be a more rounded way of charging for vehicle use.

 

Or what about a pay as you drive scheme which was mooted several years ago?

 

Answers, on a postcard, please to: BBC Television Centre, Wood Lane, London W12 8QT.

 

 

 

 

[forddeliveryboy]

Or ring Tuesday Call on 01 580 4411.

[panhard65]

Hopefully the rolling 40 year tax exemption will stay so not too long to wait. There again with the current direct debit system it isn't so bad keeping them taxed as it isn't a large lump sum to find. £20 a month isn't the end of the world. Maybe the Tory's will mess about with road tax again to hammer all the cheap to tax diesels and go back to 25 year exemption that they introduced in the first place.

[dieselnutjob]

which labour will reverse out again in 5 years time

 

I personally think that 30 year is the right number as it is in line with most of Europe.

 

The conservative win pretty much guarantees that my 604 will get historic tax as it is 40 next year 

[nigel bickle]

I'll wager it goes up big time next Budget. Cameron promised out most normal tax increases, so the ol' disc must be in line for a hammering.

 

Even better, with a large percentage now on monthly DD, the increase is immediate, not next renewal..

 

Happy days....

[MarvinsMom]

unlikely i think that old cars will get anything off of the tax, unless you drive some nasty cheap tumbledryer that was made some where abroad and gets shipped half way round the world. as these don't kill polar bears or nuns or kittens then the tax on these will still be free.

 

old shite that is either in good nick and is used very little and kept in a good state of tune these they will tax to fuck, because the kill polar bears, nuns and kittens, with OMGCO2's and that.

 

plus of course the back handers that car makers will be giving our hopeless politicians. old shite doesnt give out donations/incentives/bribes.

[Twiggy]

The answer to your question is a loud NO, unless the government can find another way of extracting as much money from motorists as cheaply as the present system does.

Your brother is quite correct: the fairest (and cheapest) way would be to increase the price of fuel, so that automatically, every motorist pays according to how much he uses the road. Unfortunately, the government is not really interested in that fair way of doing it. The government is far more concerned with raising enough money to pay for education, health, social welfare, contributions to the E.U., pensions, road maintenance, the armed forces, and all the rest of the services that we now accept as our "right" - and they do not come free. Since we have no choice in the matter we have to pay whatever the government demands be it vehicle excise licence, insurance premium tax, a high level of fuel duty....

[MarvinsMom]

they will increase the tax on everything, but not for any of the reasons above.

 

the only thing that lot are interested in is cutting tax for their rich friends, multinational scumbag corporations who may (mostly may not) feel the need to pay tax, and for those poor billionaires who just plain cannot afford it.

 

this is what the rest of us poor bastard plebs will be paying for, nothing else.

 

unless you can afford a good accountant (or actually are one) then you are i'm afraid to say, royally fucked. it will be an expensive 5 years that you will never see the benefits of.

[dieselnutjob]

I can't believe that people are thinking that the conservatives will tax more than labour would have.  How can people complain about "tory cuts" and "austerity", which I would agree is more likely under the conservatives, and then say that they will tax more.  That's just illogical.

[MarvinsMom]

the facists tory's will cut taxes for their rich friends, while putting up indirect tax such as vat, petrol, road tax etc. for everyone else (ie the plebs) who cannot afford to, or don't have enough money to be able to hide it in jersey or the cayman island (other tax havens are available).

 

they always have, and always will look after their own buddies from school and chaps in the city,(ie the VERY, VERY rich) who they also went to school with.

 

were, or who else will be getting them a job after the above mentioned mp's have had enough fiddling their expenses, or been caught with their pants down (other scandals are possible)

[UltraWomble]

In a keynote general election campaign speech, the Prime Minister will commit his party to radical legislation outlawing any increases in income tax, national insurance or VAT rates for the next five years

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/573607/No-tax-rise-Tories-David-Cameron-new-law-protect-voters-income

 

 

BELM

[MarvinsMom]

???

[plasticvandan]

Pushing for tax exemption etc will just result in restricted use legislation if it was done.

[UltraWomble]

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BELM

Originally used by schoolkids in the 1970's, to express your opinion that the person you are speaking to is not telling the truth.

The word "belm" is pronounced by inserting ones tongue between the lower front teeth and lower front lip and pronouncing the word "belm". The "lm" aspect of the word can be "held" for many seconds for great effect; EG: Belllllllllllmmmm". The pronunciation can vary in tone depending on how "spazy" one wants to make the respondent think of the power of the "belm". EG: One could choose to "beeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllmmm" at the respodent via the above proper method. 

For added effect to a belm it is normal to rub ones hand up and down along the enlarged front lip area or to slap it in case of greater insult to be conveyed. 

 

[sofarsogood]

UmBongo, in response to you're original question I was shown this in the UKIP manifesto " UKIP will exempt vehicles over 25 years old from Vehicle Exise Duty"

Bit late now though. As plasticvandan said tax exemption may lead to further restrictions on usage.

[MarvinsMom]

politicians promise the world when its election time, and then afterwards forget completely about whatever has been said.

 

plus i seem to remember that last time round the tories promised not to put vat up, and then immediately put up vat.

 

all politicians are bear faced liars, some more than others.

 

want to know if said dick head prospective mp is lying, then his (or her) lips will be moving...

[mat_the_cat]

Even better, with a large percentage now on monthly DD, the increase is immediate, not next renewal..

 

Not sure they'd be able to do this, as don't you sign up to pay X amount a month for a period of Y months? I would certainly hope not...

[richardmorris]

I've no problems with car duty, but to be fair and equitable it really needs to added to petrol duty. That way the more you use the more you pay.

Politicians won't do this as it looks like a huge increase in costs.

 

I had to fill up the 2cv yesterday, and petrol has gone up 4p a litre since the last time- and that was only the 25th April!

[Bobthebeard]

politicians promise the world when its election time, and then afterwards forget completely about whatever has been said.

 

plus i seem to remember that last time round the tories promised not to put vat up, and then immediately put up vat.

 

all politicians are bear faced liars, some more than others.

 

want to know if said dick head prospective mp is lying, then his (or her) lips will be moving...

 

Remember this? Lol

[robinmasters]

I can't see a single argument against increasing duty on fuel. If you drive a ten-litre V27 mussel car you get taxed more; if you drive a 74-wheel artic, you pay more. If you go to the shops in a Micra one a month, you pay next to nothing.

 

Not only does it tax those who damage the air and/or roads more, it might get some of the freight back where it should be, on trains.

 

There is already a mechanism for collecting this, and with the increased automation in collecting vehicle excise duty there's no longer the argument that it will makes loads of civil servants unemployed.

 

NB. Don't go thinking I'm some sort of tree-hugging hippy; my car does 22mpg.

[Angrydicky]

Putting loads of tax on fuel would absolutely destroy the road haulage industry. Taxi drivers and bus firms would really struggle as well.

 

I'd like to see big taxes on air travel and shipping, those are both huge polluters and my contribution to the planet (apart from never buying a new car) is that I've only been on one plane in my life, and very little I buy is imported.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

'mussel car'

[MarvinsMom]

the road haulage association and the NUF are vocal and tireless supporters of the nazi tory party so putting loads on derv and petrol won't wash.

 

however the private motorist is a much softer target. so a series of bum rapes over car tax will be on the cards as by their own admission the amount of tax raised on that have been falling over the last few years, ever since gordon the moron, and then gediot the cunt both fucked it up reformed and improved the system so its all on the OMGCO2S which the car makers tell 'em about, which as we all know those figures are all a work of pure fantasy to start with and nothing like what can be achieved in the real world....

[scdan4]

 

Not only does it tax those who damage the air and/or roads more, it might get some of the freight back where it should be, on trains.

 

 

 

There just isn't the capacity. If you doubled rail freight, it would reduce road freight by not quite 5%. 

 

And how does everything make it to, and from the sidings to where it actually needs to be.

 

Putting loads of tax on fuel would absolutely destroy the road haulage industry. Taxi drivers and bus firms would really struggle as well.

 

It would add about 12ppl to be cost neutral. Who do you think would pay these costs? 

 

Would the already knife edge haulage and personal personnel industries pay it out of their own pockets to be nice, or would the cost of everything (and everything you buy is delivered by truck or van at some point) go up?

 

 

Prepare for cost increases though. Pay per month is the first step here. It's not HOW MUCH per year, but ONLY X per month. Watch the annual cost soar.

 

Hopefully they'll leave the older chod alone. There is just not enough of it to actaully make much money from. If you have a new car, especially a diesel, (like, well, most of the driving population currently) prepare for a raping. Hence the shift from twelvety billion mpg planet savers to dirty bear killers in the press.... Look at europes (thinking Eire and NL here) road tax rates to see how bad it could become. Thousands a year. Watch this space. 

[Mr_Bo11ox]

What is needed is an online petition demanding the reinstatement of rolling tax exemption, if only someone would get one going

[HillmanImp]

If everyone who had started a 'classic car road fund licence' petition had actually signed the same one it would have been heard before government by now. 

[MarvinsMom]

which the gubbbermunt would then just ignore anyway.

 

"we are the gubbbermunt and we know best, plebs...." i believe would be the response

[robinmasters]

There just isn't the capacity. If you doubled rail freight, it would reduce road freight by not quite 5%.

 

And how does everything make it to, and from the sidings to where it actually needs to be.

When I'm in charge, the railways will be re-nationalised, and the capacity massively increased (creating loads of jobs in the process). The stuff will get to the shops in electrical vans, run on electricity generated from wind, tides, and magic.

 

It would add about 12ppl to be cost neutral. Who do you think would pay these costs?

 

Would the already knife edge haulage and personal personnel industries pay it out of their own pockets to be nice, or would the cost of everything (and everything you buy is delivered by truck or van at some point) go up?

 

 

Prepare for cost increases though. Pay per month is the first step here. It's not HOW MUCH per year, but ONLY X per month. Watch the annual cost soar.

Either way 'we' pay, but if we're paying via increased prices on stuff that is delivered to shops I suspect Autoshiters won't have a particularly high tax burden compared to the average person.

[MarvinsMom]

speak for you're self, the jaguar can manage 22mpg, prehaps even 23mpg......

 

i love it but she's a thirsty old beastie, and i get to pay £230 per year for tax then a whole shit load more tax each and every time i go to the garage.....

[Taff]

which the gubbbermunt would then just ignore anyway.

 

"we are the gubbbermunt and we know best, plebs...." i believe would be the response

 

plenty of other forums for gobbing off about politicians, give it a rest on here, eh?