Citroen Dispatch new shape, any good ?

[Frogchod]

I might be in a position to get my self a new* van for work soon.

This http://www.leboncoin.fr/utilitaires/776374510.htm?ca=4_s

"looks" good to me but I know nothing about these modern ones, will it last as well as my current 1999, 355000km, totaly reliable Jumpy ?

 

 

[Barry Cade]

In a word. No. What you have already will outlast that yellow collection of problems waiting to surface.

[Lacquer Peel]

A courier company I worked for a while ago had one. It was much less reliable than their Renault Kangoos, but much nicer to drive.

[UltraWomble]

Its the same mechanicals as the C8 underneath that skin with the handbrake on the wrong side.

 

The C8 has been fine.

[Alan_Green]

• That yellow Dispatch is a 90cv, meaning it is a 1.6 HDi, right? The 1.6 HDi is prone to turbo failures (even if serviced properly, as I found to my cost on a Berlingo serviced every 10,000 miles) so I would avoid. http://www.universal-turbos.com/hdi-engine.pdf 

• Thinking about it all of these 1.6 HDi Dispatches/Experts/Scudos/Jumpys/Pro-Aces must be doomed as they are much heavier than Berlingos and have 20,000 mile service intervals!

People kept telling me to find a good old shape 2.0 HDi so I gave in and bought this red one last week.  But the new shape 2.0 HDi has the same DW10 engine I think, so shouldn't that also be OK? Perhaps someone on here can advise.   

[wuvvum]

I hired a 1.6 HDI a year or so ago to pick up a bike I'd bought.  It was thunderously shit.  Utterly, utterly gutless, and the fact that I had to cane the living shit out of it just to keep up with the traffic meant it used more fuel than the 2.8 JTD Ducato I had at the time.  Plus it felt cheaply built.

[PiperCub]

Hired one as well not long ago oddly enough also to pick up a bike and agree with wuvvum, it was awful to drive & thirsty. Have no experience otherwise of this van/engine but can well believe the engine problems quoted above if you have to beat the hell out of it just to make the thing go at a reasonable pace.

[gordonbennet]

Its interesting how many of the old model ended up as Eurotaxis, bloody good motor the old one go on for years.

 

That 1.6 engine is a world of grief unless its been mega serviced at least once or twice between recommended intervals all its life, even then you don't know if the bastard injector seals have been leaking and the oil is filling up with carbon destined to block the oilways and filters up.

[messerschmitt owner]

another one for sticking with the 2.0hdi in the old style Dispatch - 206,000 miles and going strong.

[dieselnutjob]

old one is the same as our 806 HDI which has 235,000 miles on. almost everything still seems to work and no rust despite my wife denting every single panel on it

[Alan_Green]

• Everyone agrees the old shape 2.0 HDi is capable of high mileages. So does that mean the new shape Dispatch 2.0 HDi is just as good as it has the same DW10 engine?

Does anyone have experience of the Nicholson-McClaren LPG Dispatches (UK)? Came close to buying twice and have got on well with LPGs in the past. 

[Frogchod]

^ what he said.

Would the new shape 2.0 Hdi be any good ?

 

Might just go for a late low mile Mk1 anyway. I like mine despite the gutless DW8, guess I've got used to going sloooooow.

Always always always gets me to where I need to be though....

[bigfella2]

There are loads of variations of the dw10 engine. So even though new and old models of dispatch use the dw10 it is a completely different engine. The engine in the new dispatch is fundamentally a mondeo engine. Stick with the old style dispatch.

[Barry Cade]

I see a lot of them, gearboxes are shit,gear cables are shit,DMF's are shit,balljoints are shit. Clutches are shit, and dropping the subframe to change the box, the captive bolts are shit...etc etc.

 

one of the other lads has just fitted the 3rd turbo in as many weeks to a Berlingo 1.6 hdi. taxi of course. what to do? who knows,short of a new engine. its been flushed and flushed and flushed,sump off, new piperage, in pipe filters out, but still not enough oil flow to the turbo. Stupid engine, and I'm absolutely paraniod about the lump in my V40 now.

 

The other Berlingo they have has just had a new clutch,DMF, timing belt kit has now just shat it's DPF and is also showing signs of turbo failure. Both have done less than 100k. I MOT'd one of their Octavia's last week, 268,000 miles. never had any issues. It passed and didn't even feel saggy.

[gordonbennet]

My lad was talking to his mate who owns a nice not so little indy workshops about this 1.6HDi pile of shit and its turbo problems, apparently there's now some sort of independent oil supply system that can/should be fitted with the recon turbo (avoiding the engine oil completely or maybe secondary pump) to keep the new turbo happy for more than 5 minutes.

 

You heard anything about this Barry?

 

If it's kosher its fuckin unbelievable.  

 

What a joke...they make this utter shit engine which people buy in their fuckin millions ( in PSA Fords Volvos)...''oh its so good on fuel i'm getting 94.6 mpg according to the OBC and it only needs servicing every 20k miles''...what the twats don't realise is that by its 4th service, conveniently out of warranty for most, its fucked...yet the same twats reckon with Korean and Jap cars the 5/7 year in some cases unlimited mileage warranties are a gimmick, is it me or have people been brainwashed to the point that they're blithering idiots/sheep....there's a reason Toyota have never gone down this extended servicing route..nor are or were their transmissions sealed for life...it doesn't bloody work.

 

If they thought for 5 minutes and realised this 20k service interval is pure marketing in order to please the rental/leasing industry (and gullible new car buyers), and ignored the handbook completely, servicing the car properly instead they'd likely find the thing would last years...even if its getting carbon in the oil if the oil aint in there long the chances are it'll be fine....WTF is wrong with people.

 

In the previous generations of turbo engines, where the sensible owner got the thing serviced regularly, a bit of mechanical sympathy via warm up cool down regimes...and crucially the injectors were outside like spark plugs...you didn't hear of turbos shitting themselves every 5 minutes, they usually lasted the life of the vehicle.