Oil price slide not seen at petrol pumps

[dollywobbler]

Crap petrol is everywhere. My lawnmover got clogged up with icky shite that was once fuel this year. And ethanol is creeping in. That does worry we a bit.

[OwdChina]

There are products available that supposedly stabilize the bad shit in the fuel.

Not much good in my experience.

[Felly Magic]

What RON is American gnats piss fuel?

[OwdChina]

What RON is American gnats piss fuel?

87....89....91, Fairly sure

[OwdChina]

Crap petrol is everywhere. My lawnmover got clogged up with icky shite that was once fuel this year. And ethanol is creeping in. That does worry we a bit.

 

List of my stuff i've had to do carb re-build or clean out in the last 12 months because of the gasoline:

 

lawn mower

leaf blower

strimmer

chain saw

generator

Suzuki 1200 bandit

triumph trident 150v

 

It's a pain in the fuggin ass.

[Felly Magic]

Bloody hell, even our shite unleaded is 95, I sometimes slap some 98 in the Skud as well. Just imagine what kind of horsepower the Septics could get out of engines if they ran em on proper British blend petrol

[PhilA]

What RON is American gnats piss fuel?

It's all served at a baseline 87 (RON + MON)/2 average.

That is, err, 91 RON

 

Some places serve a vast array of blends, but here it's generally 87, 91 and 93 (91, 95 & 97 RON) which is 87 mixed at the pump with whatever gunge they can boost the octane figure with.

 

I've found that http://www.sta-bil360.com/ actually works to stop the fuel from breaking down. I've not had a generator not start after several months using it; seems that the "non-ethanol" fuels here last better than the E10 blends.

 

--Phil

[Uncle Jimmy]

How to get rid of the ethanol- that's what I would like to know. Could you add water? Would that mix with the ethanol and then drop to the bottom and you could tap it off from a 50 litre water bowser? An inventor who could come up with a DIY kit to do this would sell loads to us farties.

[PhilA]

How to get rid of the ethanol- that's what I would like to know. Could you add water? Would that mix with the ethanol and then drop to the bottom and you could tap it off from a 50 litre water bowser? An inventor who could come up with a DIY kit to do this would sell loads to us farties.

 

But.. it's the ethanol that's generally boosting the octane figure of the fuel. Take it out and you'd have trouble getting a regular engine to start on it.

 

That and the fuel itself seems to be horribly hygroscopic (collects and holds water) so that doesn't generally seem to work.

 

--Phil

[Uncle Jimmy]

The ethanol may be boosting the octane level but it makes everything run hotter and screws rubber, solder, alloys etc, at least above 10-15% concentrations. We haven't had much trouble here as we're still under 10%- I've heard in US, especially bikers have had a horrible time.

[OwdChina]

It's all served at a baseline 87 (RON + MON)/2 average.

That is, err, 91 RON

 

Some places serve a vast array of blends, but here it's generally 87, 91 and 93 (91, 95 & 97 RON) which is 87 mixed at the pump with whatever gunge they can boost the octane figure with.

 

I've found that http://www.sta-bil360.com/ actually works to stop the fuel from breaking down. I've not had a generator not start after several months using it; seems that the "non-ethanol" fuels here last better than the E10 blends.

 

--Phil

Ah...thanks Phil.....You have a better knowledge of this than I do.

[PhilA]

Ah...thanks Phil.....You have a better knowledge of this than I do.

 

 

 

Only because I've had to deal with it when it comes to shite.

 

--Phil

[Cavcraft]

It's not just ethanol that is used to boost the octane rating, or so I was told. I do remember someone very much 'in the know' telling me at the time that Opt*m*x attacked the plastic or rubber on the fuel pump of older cars, possibly something like Phil's picture.

 

 

I'm genuinely just guessing, but I'd imagine varying fuel quality will come from imports rather than home grown juice, as although it will be tested first the big players within UK manufacturing have their own set guidelines and tolerances. I'm sure that doesn't mean the odd batch doesn't make it out of the gate, but would have thought it was less likely. 

[OwdChina]

It's not just ethanol that is used to boost the octane rating, or so I was told. I do remember someone very much 'in the know' telling me at the time that Opt*m*x attacked the plastic or rubber on the fuel pump of older cars, possibly something like Phil's picture.

 

 

I'm genuinely just guessing, but I'd imagine varying fuel quality will come from imports rather than home grown juice, as although it will be tested first the big players within UK manufacturing have their own set guidelines and tolerances. I'm sure that doesn't mean the odd batch doesn't make it out of the gate, but would have thought it was less likely.

Yup. They're putting something in petrol. And it aint for better anything. I tend to think it's going to fuck-up the

older carb systems. Which it does do. Everybody needs an ethanol resistant re-build kit.

Hmmm...too drunk to think this through.....no......can't be. I wonder.

[Andrew353w]

Whatever the price of oil is doing, as long as the price of fuel keeps falling, I'm happy! We filled up at £1.09.9 for unleaded this morning; how long before it's sub £1 per litre? New year? It's a great Christmas present to all drivers and as everything has to be delivered in some sort of vehicle at some stage, prices generally ought to fall (or at least stabilise!)

 

But something tells me they won't!

[PiperCub]

It's not just ethanol that is used to boost the octane rating, or so I was told. I do remember someone very much 'in the know' telling me at the time that Opt*m*x attacked the plastic or rubber on the fuel pump of older cars, possibly something like Phil's picture.

 

 

I'm genuinely just guessing, but I'd imagine varying fuel quality will come from imports rather than home grown juice, as although it will be tested first the big players within UK manufacturing have their own set guidelines and tolerances. I'm sure that doesn't mean the odd batch doesn't make it out of the gate, but would have thought it was less likely. 

That's a bit worrying - I use that in my 205 & MX5, hopefully the fuel stabiliser I've used over this winter will help but it's something I'll need to keep an eye on in the future.

 

Anyone else find it rather ironic that one of the reasons they took the lead out of petrol was because it's harmful (to humans and catalytic converters) yet replaced it with things that are probably worse!

[chaseracer]

Whatever the price of oil is doing, as long as the price of fuel keeps falling, I'm happy! We filled up at £1.09.9 for unleaded this morning; how long before it's sub £1 per litre? New year? It's a great Christmas present to all drivers and as everything has to be delivered in some sort of vehicle at some stage, prices generally ought to fall (or at least stabilise!)

 

But something tells me they won't!

Could there be a General Election approaching...?  <_>

[willswitchengage]

Although the oil price has slumped 40% since June, to $68 a barrel today, the petrol price only fell by 6%.

The lame excuse: Profits shrunk, because 20% less petrol is being sold compared with 5 years ago.

 

It's worrying, if anything.

 

World oil production (OPEC and non OPEC) has risen linearly for the past ten years and this price dive is totally unexplained. The last dive was after the financial crisis when demand for energy worldwide nosedived. Now we have a recovery... and yet the price is collapsing? Oh, Europe and Japan are still in recession and China's exponential growth has ended. A price dive like this is only symptomatic of a global slowdown as consumption has mysteriously fallen somewhere. On the plus side it does pass billions from producing countries to consumers such as us.

 

Worrying point two is that fuel duty is probably the most 'efficient' form of tax as it raises over £30bn for our depleted coffers every year and is a direct taxation of road use (congestion, pollution, road damage; everything we want to avoid really). Is George Osborne offsetting this sharp decline with a duty increase (which he promised if the price of fuel fell to this level)? No. Oh, yeah... election. In a year or so when the price recovers we'll all start moaning again and the debt won't have had its windfall that could be afforded right now. GR9.

[Inspector Morose]

I really don't see the price rising any time in the immediate future. The OPEC countries are refusing to slow production and the good ol' US of A are ramping up shale to a level that could see them fairly self sufficient pretty soon. The only economies it's really hurting hard is Russia and Syria. Strange that these are two countries that have recently pissed off UAE and USA recently.

 

Political move maybe?

[willswitchengage]

The current drop in price is due to the OPEC not having agreed to throttle production despite there is currently an oil surplus.

This fact is entirely irrespective of what you've heard regarding the yanks, whose so-called economy is hit severely by the oil price crush.

 

The OPEC cartel has been diluted due to non-OPEC producers coming online and now has less than 50% of the market. They have lost their near monopoly and ability to manipulate prices and still return sufficient cash for themselves.

 

OPEC and non-OPEC production has remained identical throughout this price drop and is irrelevant. The price drop is due to a slump in demand, not a change in supply.

 

Any net producer will hurt in the downturn. Any net consumer will win.

 

I can't find a more up to date graph but this supply trend continues to today from today's paper which I left at work, albeit with the price fall:

 

[doobietoo]

almost certainly although both Canada and China are producing far more its OPEC that still controls the markets and they may well try to get the price low enough to make shale gas uneconomic and although this would hurt them short term in the longer term it makes sense....

[brickwall]

A number of OPEC countries are extremely inefficient and have a little only refining capacity, ie Venezuela and Nigeria. Their price was always artificially high and they need £109 per barrel just to break even. The USA will overtake Saudi to become the worlds largest producer and it the USA is also a huge market for oil. Opec countries tend to be non-diversified economies who rely purely on oil. This reduces their influence on the market a lot.

 

Nigeria has also aligned itself with the West, India and China