Pre-War car ID please

[Asimo]

No not  that war, the one before that.

 

Inspired by Micrashed's thread may I introduce my Great Grandma:

 

 

I know who and where and when and of course I want to know what she is driving. 

 

Check out the single headlamp, no front brakes and the horn.

 

Now, can the Autoshite database come up trumps again?

[Partridge]

De Dion?

[Cavcraft]

Renault?

[Partridge]

Renault?

Could be, that crossed my mind too.

[Albert Ross]

Not seen a Renault that early with an open grille. Normally had a steeply sloping engine lid.

[Tayne]

It's a mk3 Horsey Horseless.

[Vin]

That front grill looks very much like a Fiat 15...although they were mainly lorry/truck chassis...

[Wilko220]

Great photo. That horn looks like something you'd see played in a Salvation Army brass band.

 

Can't help though, soz.

[doug]

If you try here....   http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/forum/phpbb/phpBB2/index.php

 

I am sure someone will know, and also sure they would love to see the photo as well.

[Albert Ross]

The radiator shell does bear a resemblance to a 1914 Humber. Possibly also an Overland,  But I guess a lot of cars all needing an identity of sorts, they all sort of look the same. How things have changed, 100 years on!

[Tayne]

It's a Morgan.

The new Morgans still look like that.

[Tayne]

Seriously though, I think the radiator grille will be the identifier.

Fiat and Pierce Arrow vehicles seem the closest but don't give an exact match. 

 

http://www.carsplusplus.com/specs1913/fiat_zero.php

 

[Des]

Looks a bit like a Trojan I saw a while ago, wierd thing with the engine under the floor and chain drive, proper drift slag.

[ChinaTom]

Can't see a badge or motif anywhere which makes it tricky. The grille has a Darracq look about it. For some reason, the name Winco was my first thought, but this looks better than one of them.

[mercrocker]

My money is on it being European rather than British, looks LHD and rather less well equipped than most British cars of the time.   I thought Peugeot but cannot reconcile that radiator...Tayne's probably right about it being the chief ID point, although wheel hub arrangement and suspension also help.  Used to do a bit of this sort of thing at Beaulieu library and the Edwardian stuff was always the killer.....

[brickwall]

It has a very pronounced coal scuttle.Hmm.

[Micrashed]

Not seen a Renault that early with an open grille. Normally had a steeply sloping engine lid.

Like my grandfather here with his Renner by Micrashed

 

 

 

I know who and where and when and of course I want to know what she is driving. 

 

I dont know, but I do know your Gt Gran rocks up big time.

[STUNO]

Very difficult. The radiator does not look Fiat to me, there are differences. Fiat was not shy on self-promotion as in Tayne's photo, note also the badge above the radiator on the Fiat. Coachbuilding gets in the way too, as the car manufacturer did not necessarily build the body.

It is probably a few years old too as 1915 was a bit otherwise occupied.

[Asimo]

My money is on it being European rather than British, looks LHD .....

I hadn't noticed that it was LHD. There is a badge on that grille, but even with a magnifying glass I can't read it.

[Partridge]

Looks a bit like a Trojan I saw a while ago, wierd thing with the engine under the floor and chain drive, proper drift slag.

Back when they were creative...

[wuvvum]

I don't think it is LHD.  I just think it has a long steering column.  Given the narrowness of pre-WW1 car cockpits and the amount of seat showing to the left of Great_Grandma_Sorn Me, I think it's a right-hooker.  No clue what it is though.

[STUNO]

Thread hijack.

As I am very old I want to Identify my grandfathers transport in a photo.

 

 

Oh I just have and don't need a photo, it is a Horsey Four in beige, went by the name of Creamy and according to his diary was slow but comfortable on a trip.

[mercrocker]

Quite right, Wuvvum...Had I been more observant I might have noticed the bulb horn over there too!  

[brickwall]

Looks centre steer

[mercrocker]

Early prototype Land Rover

[STUNO]

Cracked it.

 

It is a Belsize from approx 1911

 

The proof.........and check google for other images

 

 

[brickwall]

Wow! Top man. I wouldn't of got that.

 

Stunning car in colour.

[dugong]

Yue Loong Feeling.

[Cavcraft]

It has a very pronounced coal scuttle.Hmm.

 

 

ATCNBE!

[Asimo]

Belsize!

 

Never heard of them before. Top marks Stuno.

Makes sense that it is a Manchester built motor as they lived there.