Kia Protest

[gtd2000]

Surely these things have a 7 year warranty or were they sold before that came out?

[AnthonyG]

Another mate, bought one of the last Escorts, NEW. Pepper Red 16V hatch. He noticed a few "Quality Control" issues, and began to note them down.. there were over 100 "niggles" to sort, and the Dealerr told him to bollocks. He wrote to Ford. Who in turn wrote to Detroit on his behalf. They invited him, at their expense, to Detroit. He was asked if he would like to be responsible for the Quality Control Department at Jaguar. He accepted graciously. They never did fix the Escort though..... they swapped it for a much nicer vehicle instead.

 

I can't believe that - I can accept he got a new car, and treated nice, but he's not going to be offered a job like that unless he happened to be an experienced quality control expert with previous relevent experience. If he is, than thats believeable, but a moaning bloke off the street? No way.

Its Dearborn, not Detroit by the way .

 

P.S Kia bloke is a knob. Maybe he should get a job so he can buy a new car, instead of lurking about Tunbridge Wells or Hull or wherever Kia are based.

[Albert Ross]

Well it's all America. Yes, he worked in Coventry inspecting Jaguar parts.....

[OwdChina]

Hmmm......Former F1 driver Jackie Stewart used to be the quality/cosmetics inspector for Ford. The "that doesn't work properly, that doesn't look right, thats a poor design.......take it away and do it again" man.

But we digress...........

[gtd2000]

Perhaps I should get my mum to camp out with her KIA Picanto that suffered crankshaft pulley bolt failure (known factory design problem) which KIA expects her to pay the labour costs to replace.

 

They've had the car for 6 or 7 weeks and it's still not fixed!!!

 

This problem was covered briefly in this thread: http://autoshite.commlm/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12371

[gtd2000]

Ah now the plot thickens....

 

By the way chaps. Did you know that Kia sold their Magentis "brand new" at the beggining of this year for 6K? Bet you didn't. They also sold 70 Magentis cars to a well know car rental company down south for 4K with a guaranteed buy back after 18 months or so of £1,500! Blatent de valuation of the mark. Which explains why so many non Kia car dealers don't want them and also why Kia dealers themselves don't want the car. Not even for free!!!

 

Hi and thanks for the info. Just to update all! Big conversations with Kia HQ today. Waiting for a reply tomorrow. If no reply then down to Weybridge on Wednesday first thing to start rattling cages. Getting local press and radio involved too. Sparks are gonna fly folks.....................

 

Update..........

Went to Kia HQ. Stood outside with my banner protesting. However to no avail. I guy called Hamish came out to talk to me. He introduced himself as the After Sales Director. He wanted his "highly trained" technician to drive the car to accertain the problems i've been having with the knocking. So i let him. Big mistake. He told me there was nothing wrong with the suspension. Unfortunately, he didn't drive the car at low speeds over a bumpy road and i was sent packing with a letter explaining the technicians findings and Kia washing their hands of the car and it's problems. So back to the drawing board.

My thanks to you Roly. I will be getting in touch with my local Kia dealer and I will let you know!

 

Les

[Felly Magic]

Where did you get that from?

[gtd2000]

Where did you get that from?

 

Here:

http://www.kiaownersclub.co.uk/forum/knocking-from-2009-magentis-suspension_topic4980_page1.html

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

Hi and thanks for the info. Just to update all! Big conversations with Kia HQ today. Waiting for a reply tomorrow. If no reply then down to Weybridge on Wednesday first thing to start rattling cages.

 

Ideal location for carmaker HQ. I hope FIAT and Mercedes-Benz move there soon, too.

[Felly Magic]

Classic case of hearsay on a car forum, and odds on its 100% BULLSHIT. Numbnuts is just peeved that his car is faulty, and it is very probably a wearing part not covered by warranty, or it is something he damaged, so is spitting his dummy out. It all boils down to him knowing zip about cars, buying the wrong one, and now blubbing. Personally, I've no sympathy for him. He paid for what he got, a pile of overpriced Korean crap.

[Pete-M]

The car hire firms I've worked for either do a short term lease or buy the cars for a reasonably big discount then sell 'em back to the dealerships.

 

Mugwump Marauder TDi, say it's £20k, the hire company will buy 50 of them for £15k with a buyback of £13k after 10k miles or whatever. Mugwump dealer gives 'em a service, tidies up whatever signs of use are on it and then shoves 'em on the forecourt for £17k. Keeps residuals up and gives the dealership a large selection of low mileage, tidy, Marauder TDis.

 

Most car makers do it this way.

 

Others, mainly Korean ones, do it differently. They flog their stuff to hire companies who need big fleets for fleet companies. The Daewoo Espero was a perfect example. Big hire firm has a contract with someone like ICI. ICI demand airbags, ABS, and a decent NCAP rating. Nothing else matters other than the engine size and how much the car costs them per day. Big hire firm goes to Daewoo and says "We'll have 3000 Espero 1.8 GLXs, but we'll only give you £10 a day each for 'em, and you have to take them back when the plate changes, but you'll have 3000 Esperos on the road and people will see them". Daewoo went for it to get their brand noticed. Daewoo dealerships were rammed to the hilt with ex-hire ones as they were the only used ones out there. People only buy the things for the warranty and that's it, so almost every used one out there tended to be ex-Avis / Hertz / Budget but registered to lease companies to hide the hire car thing from the logbook. Kia always did it, but most hire fleets shy away from them because customers who'd had a Saab or Volvo were vexed when a Shuma turned up.

 

I doubt the Magentis is on a £1500 buyback deal. £5-6k wouldn't surprise me.

[Vin]

Hi and thanks for the info. Just to update all! Big conversations with Kia HQ today. Waiting for a reply tomorrow. If no reply then down to Weybridge on Wednesday first thing to start rattling cages.

 

Ideal location for carmaker HQ. I hope FIAT and Mercedes-Benz move there soon, too.

 

Brooklands, which is in Weybridge, is were that Mercedes-Benz world thing is.....

[Felly Magic]

They paid probly around £10k each for them, which would be a more realistic figure, which would probably be about 10% less than what the trade pay for the cars wholesale. The trade won't want his car, because they will be getting the ex rentals back in soon for much less than the 'book' value of his car, which he thinks is probably about £8.5k. Can you blame the dealers saying sod off mate? They have chance to make some money on the ex rental cars, and not much wedge on his...

 

I'm still laughing at the stupid twunt for buying one in the first place. For what he paid in 2009 for that heap, he could have got himself a few month old top of the line Octavia.

[morris_ital_lover]

Yes but a couple of month old Octavia wouldn't have an 09/59 plate would it....

 

I really wish we had someone who would go up and down the land saying it as it is, in this case: "You are aa mug for buying it - get a grip"

 

On the up side they should make excellent cgod in a few years time!

[Alexg]

No wonder KIA were pissing these out of the door...

 

When i questioned the dealer he said that even though my car was registered in 2009 it was manufactured in 2006

 

[r.welfare]

From what I can work out based on the forum link gtd2000 provided, this fella bought the car secondhand anyway and it's not exactly clear whether it was from a dealer. Guy sounds like a classic 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' in any event.

[retro80sboy]

Id let him P/X it for my old M reg Polo - with cash coming my way, obviously.

 

Got the Polo up for £250, so would take the Kia and £249 for old Vee Dub no problem.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Anyone whose most pressing problem is the residual value of his family saloon is doing alright in my book, he ought to go and live in fuggin Syria for a few weeks or something.

[fiatdaft]

Regarding px value,i based it on the petrol models with 20k miles,the base model was £2000 and the top v6 was £2450.

[gtd2000]

Regarding px value,i based it on the petrol models with 20k miles,the base model was £2000 and the top v6 was £2450.

 

Was that for the 2009 model at 20,000 miles?

 

Just how bad are these cars really - surely not that bad?

[marcello-gandini]

I don't think the Magentis is a bad car, just a deeply unfashionable conservatively styled medium saloon that hasn't got a premium badge on it.

[DSdriver]

I think that where we are now with these cars is exactly where we were with Skoda and Lada just after the reunification of Germany.

In a few years time we will be loving Kia's on here.

[Cavcraft]

The other thing this bloke doesn't seem to have thought through is that no dealer in his right mind is going to do a deal on that car now after his exploits. It's probably not a bad car at all as Marcello said.

[Shep Shepherd]

I think that where we are now with these cars is exactly where we were with Skoda and Lada just after the reunification of Germany.

In a few years time we will be loving Kia's on here.

 

I think the company turned a corner with the Cee'd, which is actually a very good car with a lot going for it, despite its slightly daft name. Designed and built in Europe, too

[gtd2000]

Personally, I've no sympathy for him. He paid for what he got, a pile of overpriced Korean crap.

 

10 years ago that statement was probably inaccurate and today it's very unlikely. The Koreans (Hyundai and KIA) as fast catching up with the Japanese and will more than likely overtake them fairly shortly.

 

At least as a Skoda fan you have a leg to stand on - I believe Skoda is the only non-Asian car manufacturer to consistently make any top reliability rankings?

[Felly Magic]

Do you actually know anything about the Magentis? Its Kia's lame duck of the range, with its 1990s Nissan styling, and very high new list price. For what it is, it is overpriced, and quite frankly garbage, and only really fit to be a minicab. The only reasonable bit on the car is the diesel engine, but if he chose a petrol one, well, he really does need a one way ticket to the funny farm. The rest of Kia's range has moved on, but the Magentis really is about 15 years behind. It is a car you buy very cheaply second hand & run it into the ground, then bin it. Pure Autoshite. It's been designed for America, where they still put up with 'Dimestore' interior trim, poor chassis dynamics and moribund styling. This car has no place in the UK market, and 2nd hand values prove it.

 

This review says it all.

 

http://www.carenthusiast.com/reviews/ar ... anual.html

 

That bloke should have bought a Skoda Superb. He would have been much happier, and not making a grade one numpty out of himself as he is now.

 

Even the Soul has poor residuals. Motorpoint have a 60 plater CRD Echo edition which had a new price of just over £16k at £10,599, and it only has just over 1000 miles on the clock. That's well over a £5k saving, so what the hell did they pay for it? £8k? Makes you wonder....

[andrew e]

Should have bought the octavia new the idiot, like this one at motorpoint:

 

http://www.motorpoint.co.uk/VehicleAdve ... via/326379

 

That way he would only lost £6500 instead..... hang on... good for cabbin with a drab interior though.

[Rod/b]

Do you get the new Optima over there yet? I had a poke round one the other day while I was waiting for the car wash people to finish my car, and I tell you what, they're absolutely cracking. The fit and finish was spot on, and the bloke who had it was saying it drove better than the A6 he had previously.

[Pete-M]

nd the bloke who had it was saying it drove better than the A6 he had previously.

 

Something I've noticed over the years is that people who buy budget shite new always claim that it's better than something unfeasible.

 

"My new Kia Pride is much better than the Bentley I had before". It is if you're solely measuring MPG figures or the ability to park in small spaces. Rest of the time it's a hopeless piece of shite that'll be impossible to sell on for more than half a Ginsters pastie and a half sucked Werthers Original any more than fifteen minutes after leaving the dealership.

 

A6s aren't all that brilliant, but if the Optima is anything like the Ce'ed or any of the other Kias I've ever tried then there's absolutely bugger all chance of the Kia being even slightly nice to drive. It'll be rough as anything and while it produces 200 bhp it'll be the kind of bhp that you only use once because the thing feels rougher than a Pontiac Fiero full of marbles and it handles like an incontinent puppy on a string in a lamp post factory.

[gtd2000]

Do you actually know anything about the Magentis? Its Kia's lame duck of the range, with its 1990s Nissan styling, and very high new list price. For what it is, it is overpriced, and quite frankly garbage, and only really fit to be a minicab. The only reasonable bit on the car is the diesel engine, but if he chose a petrol one, well, he really does need a one way ticket to the funny farm. The rest of Kia's range has moved on, but the Magentis really is about 15 years behind. It is a car you buy very cheaply second hand & run it into the ground, then bin it. Pure Autoshite. It's been designed for America, where they still put up with 'Dimestore' interior trim, poor chassis dynamics and moribund styling. This car has no place in the UK market, and 2nd hand values prove it.

 

This review says it all.

 

http://www.carenthusiast.com/reviews/ar ... anual.html

 

That bloke should have bought a Skoda Superb. He would have been much happier, and not making a grade one numpty out of himself as he is now.

 

Even the Soul has poor residuals. Motorpoint have a 60 plater CRD Echo edition which had a new price of just over £16k at £10,599, and it only has just over 1000 miles on the clock. That's well over a £5k saving, so what the hell did they pay for it? £8k? Makes you wonder....

 

I don't know anything about the Magentis other than how it looks but I know I wouldn't consider buying a new KIA Magentis - or any new car for that matter - it's just a mugs game.

 

It is a car you buy very cheaply second hand & run it into the ground

Sounds like my kind of car

 

I'm pretty sure most people that buy a KIA Magentis are just looking for simple transport with a range of standard toys at a reasonable price in a fairly large package.

 

KIA have always had poor residuals - mainly due to brand image. It was the same for the Japanese when they first started into the market too. From the experiences of others the relaibility of the cars have not been terrible - in fact a friend of mine who drove VW's for a good number of years picked up a cheap and cheerful (and very bland) KIA Mentor a few years back and was impressed that nothing ever went wrong with it.