Money-pit purchase (605) latest- GIMME YOUR VIEWS

[Volksy]

Mental isn't it, all just across the channel too..........

 

Oh, and their just on page one Mr Wobbler...

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

You've shown good faith in going out there - it's hardly a case of bowling round the corner - and he's being difficult. If I was in this seller's position, I'd be going through hoops to get it right and do a deal. The fact he isn't looks pretty poor from where I'm standing.

 

That's what I thought, too. Alright, we did spend an hour checking the car and the paperwork, but he didn't really seem to appreciate the fact I spent two days and around 350 Euros just to see a bloody 605!...and I got quite annoyed by the aircon issue, because I had specifically asked whether it works and he'd told me it did.

 

Having said that, viewing that car confirmed my suspicions that a 605 is exactly what I need, and I may even go for one without LPG...so, yes, wat and everyone else, do keep your eyes peeled, but it has to have leather and aircon (I guess even knackered aircon is good enough if it's going cheap).

 

 

That one on ebay is lush. If I can get something so cheap, it might even make sense to pay for an LPG conversion! However, it's only got 3 days left and I'm finally moving on Friday, so I am not sure I can get there in time to view it. Is there any shitist in the area that may be kind enough to have a look for me?

 

As for the Tagora, I'd really love one, but the stewardship of such high-grade shite is well beyond my resources (space/tools) and abilities. However, I've arranged my plane tickets in a way that I will find myself here again at the end of may, and I will give myself 3-4 days to go shite-hunting.

[dollywobbler]

Mental isn't it, all just across the channel too..........

 

Oh, and their just on page one Mr Wobbler...

 

I'm not sure I'd be allowed to look at any other pages...

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

SCTSH_ANDY has had two 605s. He says to avoid the 24 valve V6s because they're 'pish'. Apparently there's some oilway issues with them. He prefers the 12v Douvrins.

 

The 24v is mental. You buy a V6 for some carefree motorin', then find out you have to do the timing belt every other week!

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

...and a LPG 2.5 Safrane has just (45' ago!) popped up on leboncoin in St Denis- which is 20 mins from Roissy where I'm staying.

[Cavcraft]

Funny how he hasn't got time to take it to a garage, has had offers of 1300 Euros and yet waited a few days for you to turn up. I expect that because you went over to him he was pretty sure you'd not want to go back empty handed.

[hairnet]

shite decision or shite decision

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

Funny how he hasn't got time to take it to a garage, has had offers of 1300 Euros and yet waited a few days for you to turn up. I expect that because you went over to him he was pretty sure you'd not want to go back empty handed.

 

well, he is asking 1500 for it, so allegedly was hoping to get a better offer from me. I'll be back in two weeks' time and, assuming I haven't found anything mega-interesting in the meantime, still offering 1100.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

if you're back in a fortnight you should defo play the waiting game.

 

All told i'm not getting much of a feeling that you should buy it, I say sack it off.

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

if you're back in a fortnight you should defo play the waiting game.

 

All told i'm not getting much of a feeling that you should buy it, I say sack it off.

 

Yeah, it's a good car, but the vendor is both clueless (he had never even heard of ATF/gearbox oil, and that wasn't because of language issues) and trying to be clever, so I guess I should look for a different example of automerde!

[mnde]

Mental isn't it, all just across the channel too..........

 

Oh, and their just on page one Mr Wobbler...

 

I'm not sure I'd be allowed to look at any other pages...

 

^^ I think we should all move to France immediately.. I started hyperventilating just looking at page one...

 

I was umming and ahhing at a 605 that was up for grabs a year or two back - it was an SLDt - but I decided against it in the end...

 

Mark

[Pete-M]

...and a LPG 2.5 Safrane has just (45' ago!) popped up on leboncoin in St Denis- which is 20 mins from Roissy where I'm staying.

 

Check the CV joints are ok, as they're only available with the complete driveshaft (from Renault) in the UK. Mine cost £165 each on the one I had, but weren't too bad to fit.

 

Other than that, and the A/C not being wonderful, I quite liked my Safrane. Could never find it in a car park though.

[gtd2000]

if you're back in a fortnight you should defo play the waiting game.

 

All told i'm not getting much of a feeling that you should buy it, I say sack it off.

 

Yeah, it's a good car, but the vendor is both clueless (he had never even heard of ATF/gearbox oil, and that wasn't because of language issues) and trying to be clever, so I guess I should look for a different example of automerde!

 

There's two schools of thought with auto transmissions and ATF.

 

A: Change the fluids per the manufacturers recommendations.

B: Leave it alone and do nothing.

 

I've always gone with option B and never had a problem - and one of our cars was 14 years old and never had a fluid change in its life (a '93 Mazda 121 DB).

 

I've had my Nissan 240SX over here in Florida almost 10 years now - it's probably done the same mileage as that Peugeot and the ATF is still clear and clean looking - I've never done any ATF changes since I first bought it in 2001.

 

In all fairness I did have an issue with the auto transmission that I just fixed today, all of the people in the know said do a flush, change the ATF yadda yadda yadda, swap it for a manual box etc etc. Took me an age to troubleshoot, as I didn't have any codes for the actual problem.

 

The culprit was the Throttle Position Sensor and I sourced a ($6) used TPS at the local breakers yard this afternoon - sweated my nuts off in the 90 degree heat I have to admit but it does give a certain feel good factor now that it is sorted.

 

Transmission is a smooth as silk now

[Rocket88]

Buy the 403 pick up that's on Volky's list.........................

[cort16]

Although I give you much REZPEKT for going out there to get a car if it was me I'd be after dragging some rarer euro shite back to the UK.

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

Although I give you much REZPEKT for going out there to get a car if it was me I'd be after dragging some rarer euro shite back to the UK.

 

But I don't have ANY space, not even for a "regular" car- in fact, a key motivation for going to view the Pug was the free parking rights that ownership of an LPG-converted car would give me.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

There's two schools of thought with auto transmissions and ATF.

 

A: Change the fluids per the manufacturers recommendations.

B: Leave it alone and do nothing.

 

Number B for me as well. If it's got old Dexron *red stuff) then yes, it should be changed every 30 thou or whatever. But I've had boxes with 140k and the oil is still fairly red and they work fine. On cars with the 30 quid a litre synthetic 'lifetime fill' oil, it's definitely B+. Top it up is required, otherwise bollocks to it.

[gtd2000]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-1997-PEUGEOT-605-SVE-AUTO-LOW-MILEAGE-VGC-/230619159036?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item35b1f919fc

 

+

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Autogas-lpg-conversion-5-6cyl-car-/250816394071?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3a65d27357

 

Isn't far off what the chap is looking for in France.

 

Plus you will save money not having to pay an insurance premium of perhaps 25% for driving a LHD car too.

 

LPG Wales used to do deals on eBay from what I remember too - often saw 6 cyl installations go for around 900 quid.

[Pete-M]

Plus you will save money not having to pay an insurance premium of perhaps 25% for driving a LHD car too.

 

Hmm, does that still apply? I've never been charged any extra for the LHD stuff I've had. The only time I've ever had anything along those lines happen was when I stupidly bought that "Approved" RHD Integrale - the insurance company droid laughed and said "That'll cost you more as they were never built in RHD so someone's been cocking about".

 

As for the OP, I'd be looking for something far more interesting than a 605 to import. You'll end up paying more in taxes to import the thing than it's worth. Wouldn't be bothered about the LPG servicing that much, I've run LPG stuff for years and never needed it servicing. In fact, the setup on the Jeep is 11 years old and I'd be surprised if anyone has ever looked at it. Works fine.

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

I 've fired an e-mail to that 605 seller on ebay, who will obviously be right in thinking that I am a pedant and/or timewaster of the highest order. As he's a bit far, I wanted to make sure I won't make another wasted journey.

 

Questions like "how do you know the airconditioning only needs regassing?" may have been asked (I tried being polite but there's a size limit so couldn't get very wordy) . Given that it's a car that's had no bids at 200 quid, I would be neither surprised nor annoyed if his reply ended up being filled with expletives.

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

Plus you will save money not having to pay an insurance premium of perhaps 25% for driving a LHD car too.

 

Hmm, does that still apply? I've never been charged any extra for the LHD stuff I've had. The only time I've ever had anything along those lines happen was when I stupidly bought that "Approved" RHD Integrale - the insurance company droid laughed and said "That'll cost you more as they were never built in RHD so someone's been cocking about".

 

Footman James didn't seem to mind and/or charge extra for LHDness. However, I'm sure that a non-classic insurer would find a way to make it a major problem that merits a premium increase in the order of eleventy billion.

 

As for the OP, I'd be looking for something far more interesting than a 605 to import. You'll end up paying more in taxes to import the thing than it's worth. Wouldn't be bothered about the LPG servicing that much, I've run LPG stuff for years and never needed it servicing. In fact, the setup on the Jeep is 11 years old and I'd be surprised if anyone has ever looked at it. Works fine.

 

I don't think the UK applies any taxes to shite imports from within the EU, although there may well be all sorts of admin charges. People with importing experience, tell us about taxes!

 

The last car I had in the UK was a 1996 BMW 728 that had been converted to LPG, and that certainly needed some LPG-related attention at some point (it was running like a bag of nails- can't remember exactly what was wrong, but it wasn't expensive to fix). It's not a demanding system, but there should be some maintenance on it, although I agree that the lack of it is unlikely to cause permanent damage.

[gtd2000]

I seriously looked into LPG when I was working in NL back in 2008~2009.

 

It was a cost effective option but I did run into a few people who spoke honestly about some of the issues of running LPG.

 

I've chatted with more than a few people back in the UK who have nothing positive to say about running a vehicle on LPG...which makes me wonder if it's really as good an option as some might like to make it out to be?

 

It's basically sold as a half price motoring....but it's not much use if the system is unreliable.

[Guest Leonard Hatred]

I would give LPG a go if I didn't have a much cheaper source of fuel.

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

I seriously looked into LPG when I was working in NL back in 2008~2009.

 

It was a cost effective option but I did run into a few people who spoke honestly about some of the issues of running LPG.

 

I've chatted with more than a few people back in the UK who have nothing positive to say about running a vehicle on LPG...which makes me wonder if it's really as good an option as some might like to make it out to be?

 

It's basically sold as a half price motoring....but it's not much use if the system is unreliable.

 

 

I've only owned a couple of LPG cars and driven a couple more, so I am not the leading authority on LPG by any means, but my impression is that it's great as long as

i) it's not a carb job (GR9 for backfiring!)

ii) it's been installed by someone who knows what they're doing

 

"half-price" is a bit exaggerated, tho. It usually is about 40-50% cheaper than petrol, you burn about 20% more fuel, and ideally you need to spend 120 or so quid on an LPG service every couple of years, plus you often end up driving more in order to get to the LPG station (or in order to get to the backstreet LPG-only place that's 15% cheaper than your nearest BP station). I'd say a 30% saving is easy to achieve, with a possible maximum of just under 40%. Plus you get the satisfaction of knowing that you're paying a modest amount of fuel tax as opposed to getting dry-bummed by the government every time you fill up.

[Pete-M]

I reckon the Heep uses about 10% more LPG than petrol, but LPG is currently 73p a litre around here, with unleaded 136p.

 

£120 for an LPG service They're pretty much sealed systems with the option to tweak mixture / timing either manually or with a computer. I've set up Range Rovers in the past and it's only taken 10 minutes with a decent gas analyser. Other than checking for leaks (which are obvious because of the stenching agents in LPG) there's bugger all else to do.

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

Hm, to be honest I don't remember the specifics on LPG services. Maybe that included the item that was buggered on the beemer!

I do, however, remember there's a fuel filter that needs changing every couple of years or so.

[HillmanImp]

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

but the whole point is that it DIDN'T happen! I came back empty-handed. As I was travelling handluggage-only, I didn't even manage to bring back some wine!

[gtd2000]

but the whole point is that it DIDN'T happen! I came back empty-handed. As I was travelling handluggage-only, I didn't even manage to bring back some wine!

 

Your other handle isn't mikey by any chance?

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

but the whole point is that it DIDN'T happen! I came back empty-handed. As I was travelling handluggage-only, I didn't even manage to bring back some wine!

 

Your other handle isn't mikey by any chance?

 

 

Haha, no, if I were mikey, I would now be talking about my adventures with skinny women with hairy armpits.