Road tax, ANPR KICKED IN YO?

[Cavcraft]

Anyone know the score about what happens if you get yanked driving a car with no current RFL? Is it a fine or do the rozzers take your car off you there and then like they do with no insurance? I seem to recall someone telling me you get reported to the DVLA who then fine you by post or whatever but could do with knowing before I set out.

The car is insured and MOT'd and would be taxed the following day as I plan to collect on Sunday after Cholmongdribbly car show and can't tax it beforehand or collect it on a day when the P.O is open.

 

(I think the tax expired end of April but may have been end of March)

[Richard]

If the adverts are to be believed they take the car away and crush it.

 

I've a feeling you show up as taxed if you pay online, but I wouldn't count on it.

[messerschmitt owner]

If the adverts are to be believed they take the car away and crush it.

 

I've a feeling you show up as taxed if you pay online, but I wouldn't count on it.

you show up as taxed if taxed online - I've been running round since the first with a tax disc displaying 11/10 on it, new tax disc appeared this morning so will fit it tonight.Even taxing at the PO will show an instant real time taxing of the car on the computer.

 

I would suggest buying tax online now and it'll be sent to the old owner in time. Either that or get V5 and MoT now and tax it yourself before you go.

 

If they catch you, they'll tug the car in, charge 150 sovs to get it back and you get done for back tax. Once it shows on the computer as taxed (instantly) the rozzers won't notice the disc on the screen.

[Cavcraft]

Cheers.

 

I can't tax on line unfortunately due to my trade insurance sort of not being recognised on the computer. Looks like I may have to call Shitley and see if some mong in an untaxed Montego dizzler running on cherry will tow it on a trailer or something.

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

well, there's always the option of buying a conventional insurance policy then cancelling it within the 14-day cooling off period....sure beats Shitly!

[Cavcraft]

I've got insurance it's the tax that's the pisser.

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

I know. I meant you can buy a new policy from Shitcover or something, get the tax system to recognise your certificate, buy tax, then cancel the new policy.

[Cavcraft]

Ah yes, good thinking might be worth a bash.

[Pete-M]

Ring whoever your trade policy is with, get the car on the insurance database (Even the disaster that is Tradex can just about manage that occasionally) and do it online

[wuvvum]

I didn't think the police would impound a car just for tax - I thought that only happened if the DVLA were with them. As long as you're insured and you can prove it there and then, as far as I'm aware you should just get a fine through the post - which you can then ignore as you will have taxed the car by then.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

If it's MOT'd and insured, surely a reciept from the owner dated the same day would be okay for the drive home? You'd have to meet a real nasty bastard of a copper to........

 

 

.....Aah, just seen the flaw.

[Cavcraft]

 

Had planned to take my insuarnce and the cash plus sorn reminder and then wing it if I get pulled and go to a Post Office to tax it won't work either as I can only really collect on a Sunday.

It's only about 40 miles away but I think the risk of driving it back is a bit much. Just joined Shitly anyhow and first quote has come back at £85: for that sort of money I'd be better off trying to get half a day off work, taxing it then driving it back.

[dollywobbler]

Well, it's a gamble isn't it? Ended up doing 75 miles in the Saab untaxed after the bloke selling it alleged that his insurance cover note had expired.

[cobblers]

My mate has got done quite a few times for this (he's a trader and was running stuff to the garage and back) and got a £60 fine each time. It worked out much cheaper than trade plates so he just risks it.

[Guest]

I have a similar question about insurance. The 305 is taxed and MOT'd, but because I can't get through to FJ and it's worth [a lot] less than £1500, if I temp insured it I'd *technically* have invalid insurance if I took out a temporary policy. The car is showing on Askmid (I just checked) and I imagine with it being a garage it's still on their trade policy. My questions are thus:

 

1. How quickly can the garage take the car off the policy once I've taken it?

2. If it stays on the trade policy, will my third party right to drive the car from my comprehensive cover be honoured? I have the right to drive TPFT written into the Amazon's and 480's documents, I checked with FJ (when I got through last time).

 

If I've fucked up here and there's no way round this, I'm stuffed because I can't get cover for the fucking thing by tomorrow.

 

AUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Father Ted]

Meh!

You cant tax it on line if its still registered to the previous owner as the tax disc will go to them. And they might send it back and cash it in.

I drove the BX back from Swindon to Preston on a Saturday afternoon with my insurance and MOT and cheque book - if I got pulled, well the GPO just shut and I couldnt tax it.... Never got pulled, went past several cameras and never heard owt.

[Andrew353w]

I shouldn't like to worry the Autoshite community but I have personally seen combined police, VOSA and DVLA operations in Barnet and Ealing; in Barnet the ANPR vehicle is parked under a railway bridge and there is no turn off before one continues up the hill to Barnet town. At this point the enforcement staff wave offending cars into a side road for questioning. Parked along the side road is an articulated car transporter, onto which the offending cars are loaded. I saw drivers left at the roadside, with shopping in bags and with children on occasions, told to lake their own way home. Quite dramatic! In Ealing the operation was based at Ealing Common, and cars were targeted travelling down the North Circular Road from Hanger Lane. Again, no hostages were taken and cars were being loaded onto a transporter, presumably for disposal at a later time. Makes you think.....

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Sounds like thats near London, where normal rules of decency, reasonableness and police accountability are routinely waived.

[Guest]

I know a mechanic who last year was driving in his wife's nearly brand new Corsa and was pulled over for a random VOSA spot check along with a mixture of vans and other random members of the public. This was sometime in the early afternoon, but was kept there for something like an hour and half whilst they worked through everything. He ended up arguing with a police officer about it and nearly getting in some bother. Eventually they tested the car, found it to be completely free of faults and he was allowed on his way (to get back to his garage and tell his customers their cars wouldn't be ready, therefore not being able to draw any money that day). Nice work fellas!

[Cavcraft]

Ah yes, VOSA. They pulled me once years back in my work's Transit and one of them found a sidelight bulb out. I honestly think he'd have been less bothered if he'd come home early one day to find me bollock deep up his wife as I defecated on his Hitler Youth pamphlets.

If I were a vindictive, miserable old bastard I'd sort of hope the next time he tapped someone's wheelnuts with his toffee hammer that he swould slip and smash into his knackers instead and the ambulance that came to his rescue got pulled up by his mates before it got there and was impounded for having lights that were slightly the wrong shade of blue.

[Station]

I honestly think he'd have been less bothered if he'd come home early one day to find me bollock deep up his wife as I defecated on his Hitler Youth pamphlets.

If I were a vindictive, miserable old bastard I'd sort of hope the next time he tapped someone's wheelnuts with his toffee hammer that he swould slip and smash into his knackers instead and the ambulance that came to his rescue got pulled up by his mates before it got there and was impounded for having lights that were slightly the wrong shade of blue.

 

 

I'd chance it from Chomoldomondely, as it's pure country roads from there to your house? I can't see many ANPARSE vehicles giving you much hassle.

If you do, just be honest and say you were chancing it getting it home after you just spotted it at a car show and bought it there and then with the intention of taxing it tomorrow as trade insurance won't register on the database. Although it depends on the copper.

[Guest]

Ahhh, VOSA. The arguments we've had..........

[nigel bickle]

A good few moons back I got tugged into the VOA compound on the M25 Leatherhead junction. i was using a Lancia HPE auto to tow a Lancia HPE Volumex on a 4 wheel trailer.

 

They immediately asked me to unload the trailer -so they could inspect it. Having spent at least 30 mins on pointless minutia- they reluctantly accepted it was legal. So they turrned to the Lancia's and discovered a small rust hole on the Auto (there's a suprise) under the carpet -about a foot from the rear damper. Much merriment now as he was all ready to gleefully write out a prohibition notice (isnt it sickening to watch the attitude change when they think they have you) when I pointed out that it had been on the trailer...

 

Much confusion as they tried to establish which had been towing! Nonplussed, he eventually (reluctantly) allowed me to hitch up the Volumex and load the auto -before leaving, That one was fully welded, and toally legal.

 

Difference? about 3 mpg. And 90 mins wasted.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

VOSA - we call them Fakeon as they're not real pigs.

 

I'm by no means some lefty 'power to the people' nutter, but I really dislike the Police with a venom. They seem to be an enemy of the people to be avoided at all costs as opposed to a force of law and order, and VOSA are their bitches.

 

I laugh when I think of what used to go on - MOT's and tax discs left overnight in brake fluid to wash out the ink - before being washed under a hot tap, left to dry, ironed and re-written, cover notes banged out on a laser jet printer, sills made of P40 and Tetrosyl It's just like when we were Kids and didn't have mobile phones and stupid fucking cycling helmets. Who you you know who was killed as a result of a bike accident? Aah for the old days when we were just allowed to get on with life and accept that there were a few wrong 'uns. The fact that you can't risk driving a roadworthy insured car 40 miles without some uniformed neo Nazi with self-worth issues ruining your day just takes the piss.

Of course there were piss takers with no insurance and there still are..........but it's funny how insurance is now a lot more expensive than it was in the days when supposedly there were more offenders......

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

I'm by no means some lefty 'power to the people' nutter, but I really dislike the Police with a venom.

 

Some of them are really nasty characters. Not only that, but any nastiness that would've actually been helpful in curbing crime has been restricted to the point that they are totally toothless, making them resort to bullying perfectly innocent people even more often. Somebody had been arrested for having burgled my house and, not only they didn't invite me to attend the court proceedings and/or see whether I can regognise any stuff (well, to be honest, they'd just taken a laptop and 1 or 2 small things, but still) , but they were unable to tell me either the name of that person or even the outcome of the trial! I only learnt about it when a bigwig visited me after I'd sent a nasty letter to their HQs saying "you could've actually used the manpower you invested in stopping me and checking my perfectly legal car 6 times in 4 months to try and catch some criminals like the ones that burgled my house".

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Many of them are mind numbingly thick as well. I had a car cloned about 4 years ago, and it took weeks to sort that out. Then last year some twat ran into my parked car and drove off. Gave the plod the time, location and car reg number.........they couldn't do anything because all his workmates said he was at work at the time. Oh, that's that then.

 

Absolutely fucking useless. But they do bring colour to the area by sending out the traffic morons in blue/yellow Volvos to drive around like lunatics with all the sirens and lights going, screaming through red lights on the way to a life threatening chip shop rendezvous. Knob jockeys.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I dont have a big problem with the coppers, generally the few that I have met have been reasonable enough, and having seen french police kicking the shit out of some guy in thir minibus in Paris airport i was aware that UK coppers could be a lot worse. However i dont doubt there are some proper meat-headed twats working as traffic cops, and i've been luck so far.

 

I am happy to see the coppers getting it stuck to them in that newspaper seller case though as they deserve a major league shoeing over their behaviour after that incident.

[Cavcraft]

Agree with Mr_Bo11ox here. They're not all bad, in fact some are bloody good at their job and know how to speak to people properly. Also sometimes when you watch shit like Roadwars and that kind of thing I often think if I pulled someone over for a quick road side check and they got really gobby that I'd go through their car with a fine tooth comb and make sure I found something wrong with it.

 

One of the last times I got pulled (I'd bought a car and not added it to the trade insurance database) I had sod all paperwork or proof of i.d on me, I was driving a right old shitheap of a car and in my really scruffy clothes. They could have taken the bloody thing off me there and then but because they were decent fellas (and probably because I didn't give them any shit) they gave me a producer and sent me on my way. They had every right to pull me over and could have been absolute bastards but were anything but.

[Guest Leonard Hatred]

When was that Cavette? I don't think they'd be so forgiving now.

[Father Ted]

Last time I was tugged was 2 years ago after dad died and my head was up my arse somewhat.

 

No I didnt use it as an excuse (never mentioned to the plod who tugged me that I had just been down the undertakers sorting out funeral arrangements) I just pulled over, switched off the car, got out and got my plakka drivers licence out for him.

 

Explained I realised I had just gone through a red light (not a good move with a panda car behind you and a black maria at the side of you) and that I had been watching the wrong set of lights out of three in a row, change to green, aplolgised to the guy and asked him if it was a fixed penalty or an NIP for drivng like a twat.

 

He lauged and let me off (after checking the car was insured, MOT'd and taxed and smelling my breath - poor sod I had just had a cup of coffee and a dog turd sandwich).

 

So they are not all nasty gits intent on getting a quota of nickings. The way I look at it, if you have the means to pay for the road tax with you but cant because the GPO is shut and you cant tax on line because of a change of keeper you will probably get away with it, though then again you might not.