New motor insurance law

[keef]

Any of you got cars that aren't currently insured or SORNed? :-

 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Ow ... M&CRE=Furl

 

I've not heard back from DVLA as to how I stand with a motor currently excluded from SORN requirements, but, as usual, direct.gov.uk don't mention any exclusions, so .....

[Pillock]

What do you have that's excluded from SORN?

[keef]

What do you have that's excluded from SORN?

 

Wolseley Six

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Just do nowt. if you get a letter, do a SORN declaration. Theyve been talking about this for years, its bollox like, its to weed out cars that are taxed but not insured. Is the Woollus in your name on the V5? If not, theres even less to worry about.

[Cavcraft]

Hasn't it always been the case that 'un-sorned' cars need insurance?

 

Are you excluded from Sorn because your car is tax exempt by the way?

[Guest]

Just more nonsense for the DVLA to be responsible for, though I have to wonder how many people bother taxing a car but not insuring it.

[Louise2cv]

I think cars that have been off the road for a certain number of years are excempt from sorn, AFAIK tax exempt cars still need sorn...

[ashmicro]

Surely, insurance is required in order to tax a vehicle?

[Mr_Bo11ox]

It is, but if it lapses the day after you've taxed it no-one has previously been arsed. Now the DVLA recon theyre gonna interrogate the MID to find cars that are taxed but not insured, and start dishing out letters and fines, inevitably 95% of which will go to folk who do not own the car anymore or who have a digit wrong on their insurance certificate or some such.

[keef]

do a SORN declaration.

 

I've already done one and they refused to process it! So it will annoy me if they now say I have to make another!

 

its bollox like,

 

I agree, but would rather be on the right side of the law, should the shit hit the fan.

 

Is the Woollus in your name on the V5?

 

It is, as the next stage is to crush all vehicles not complying. They have already stated to clamp vehicles on private land!

[M'coli]

Yes, a car does need insurance to get a disc. However, this is so that you can't insure a car on-line, tax it on-line, but once the tax disc is in the post, you can cancel the insurance and drive about with a taxed car.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

It is, as the next stage is to crush all vehicles not complying. They have already stated to clamp vehicles on private land!

 

This is impossible, and almost certainly illegal. Take no notice of it! If you are really worried about it, buy 4 wheelclamps of your own and put those on first.

 

Why wont they process your SORN declaration then?

[autofive]

i tried to sorn my scimitar online, tried twice unsuccessfully before ringing dvla and being informed that as the car was off the road before the sorn scheme started i couldnt sorn it.

 

im all for taking uninsured cars off the roads - but only if they being driven, not parked or stored - thats just taking the easy victims and leaving the criminally devious uninsured drivers to do their thing, while dvla massages the figures

[HillmanImp]

I think I might get screwed for this on the GT6. Its currently taxed but not MOT'd or insured as it is off the road. The tax is free so I am not going to bother sending it back.

[keef]

This is impossible,

 

It is?

 

and almost certainly illegal.

 

So is SORN, but has yet to be "proved" in court.

 

Take no notice of it! If you are really worried about it, buy 4 wheelclamps of your own and put those on first.

 

I think a couple of letters is cheaper!

 

Why wont they process your SORN declaration then?

 

[keef]

thats just taking the easy victims and leaving the criminally devious uninsured drivers to do their thing, while dvla massages the figures

 

But isn't that what all these ill-thought-out schemes are about?

[Pillock]

Aaah so just keep the letter, it's lovely proof that you're in the right. Might be worth a phone call, and/or trying to do it again just to be sure.

 

I actually welcome this scheme, as for once it doesn't appear to be written just to piss off the car enthusiast. 99% of us won't have to change anything as we already have stuff either taxed or SORN. It will hit those who buy car insurance online, use it to tax the car, and then use the distance selling regs to cancel the insurance. I know people do this, people have told me they do this! Including well-off people who can afford it but see it as "unfair"... and regardless of what Police! Interceptor! Thugs! tell you on the tellybox, the chances of getting stopped with ANPR are slim enough to make it worthwhile.

[keef]

Aaah so just keep the letter, it's lovely proof that you're in the right.

 

The word is was; if the law changes, I assume so will the need to declare SORN? That's something I'm trying to clarify.

[catsinthewelder]

I'm going to look on the bright side that I might save some money by SORNing my vehicles when I might otherwise have left the tax on them despite no insurance. still a bit of a pain though.

[Station]

The police already seize about 500 uninsured vehicles every day.

 

That incredible. The recovery companies must make a fortune from this.

[mattblack]

If you are keeping your vehicle off the road, make sure that you have submitted a SORN declaration to DVLA. If the vehicle is taxed you need to return the disc (including nil value discs) to DVLA using a V14 form. You can make a SORN declaration at the same time as returning the disc on the V14.

 

So if you are only going to have the car off the road a short time you still have to cash the tax in... so you lose out because you only get the 'full months' back, and if it's a 6 month disc you only get back the remaining months at the 12 months rate... nice little earner for the DVLA...

[worldofceri]

They have already stated to clamp vehicles on private land!

 

This is impossible, and almost certainly illegal. Take no notice of it! If you are really worried about it, buy 4 wheelclamps of your own and put those on first.

 

There've been stories in the press of untaxed or SORN'd vehicles being clamped but I think in each case they were on privately owned but publicly accessed land like shared driveways or car parks. I saw a car recently that had been clamped behind a small parade of shops - certainly not on the road or 'highway' but public enough for the clampers to have no problem getting access. I don't think they would enter a residential property.

 

If you're worried why not simply take the number plates off? They can't ANPR you then and presumably they'd need a warrant to enter your property to check the VIN plate! I actually keep thinking I should do this to the car I have slowly dissolving on a driveway.

[Station]

They can't clamp vehicles on private land or off-road - your vehicle is merely furniture if it isn't on the road. If so, they'll be going into car museums on a clamping frenzy. Actually, I can see that happening in a horrific vision of the future (ie 3 years time). When will these rabid actions from this rancid little quango end?

[Mr_Bo11ox]

If they start having authority to come into your garden to clamp your off-the-road shite, it means theres no point carrying on living any more so you might as well shoot them in the face and spend the rest of your days in the SLAMMER, at least yuo'll get a meal every day.

[autofive]

If they start having authority to come into your garden to clamp your off-the-road shite, it means theres no point carrying on living any more so you might as well shoot them in the face and spend the rest of your days in the SLAMMER, at least yuo'll get a meal every day.

 

ask Albert - he knows the score

 

[Lankytim]

According to the DOOVLA themselves "private land" is anywhere that the local authority isn't responsible for- it doesn't matter if the public has easy access or not. So private car parks and driveways should be fine, although I've heard a few stories where over zealous enforcement officials have clamped and removed cars when they had no legal right to do so. Apparently its impossible to sue the DVLA (as its a government body or something), so if they crush someone's car illegally theres sweet FA they can do about it.

 

I have learned something interesting recently though. you can reapply for SORN at any time and they send you out a SORN letter from that date, infact you could re-apply for SORN on the same car every day forever and they would just bombard you with confirmation letters, everyday. I'd imagine if a few thousand motorists started doing this the DVLA would soon collapse and we would finally be free of them.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

A good tip is to include an A4 charcoal drawing of your c0ck with all correspondance sent to the DVLA, helps them keep their records in order.

[Rebuilda]

I don't think they will be entering private property and towing shite away,

I have one kit that the previous owner swears was never registered, although it blatantly has stains where the number plate and tax disc used to be, DVLA wouldn't give me a SORN for it as I didn't have a reg number. Hopefully now we have the V62 I can apply for a logbook, then declare SORN.

All a bit of a pain in the arse for a pile of spare parts.

 

I seem to remember some one had a Bristol crushed a few years back due to an overzealous contractor, by the time they realised it had gone it was too late.

Local authority contractor lifted it from a private car park or something similar, all a bit scary if you dont have a lock up or a driveway.

[Albert Ross]

They'd have a bundle of fun trying to clamp either my 1961 Land Rover or my 1991 Discovery..... Both are dismantled, and resting in three sheds and a garage.... Best of luck, wankers! I have had the van down my street a number of times, obviously trying to catch me out. The Sapphire and Scorpio are on the drive and visible....

 

Monsieur les Bollocques, have you considered any other medium for your artwork? Perhaps faeces smeared on the original letter, or maybe vomit? A bit like a Royal Mail sponsored "Guess the mess" competition.

[autofive]

DVLA contractors

 

TRANSLATION: pikey scrap dealers out to steal from you with government backing