Scrappage scheme to be extended?

[CortinaDave]

Quite simply, its been extended because the government are a Cunch of Bunts.

[Richard]

Extending the scheme has got to be the worst news ever. people who NEED to buy cheap cars (cos they can't afford anything else) will suffer,

Once again, these people tend not to be friends or business associates of MPs so fuck them.

[CIH]

I can't be bothered looking for a quote but I'm sure I heard in the news Mandy was quoted saying he'd be happy to work for a Tory Guv.

[trigger]

Not sure if this means he will ultimately get his grisly comeuppance,

Crushed to death in a car crushing machine. I'd gladly pay to watch that. I was aware of how corrupt he was in the late 90's, and the fact he has somehow gotten where he is now is bewildering and scary. I hate the big, gay fucking cunt.

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[Owain-328i]

The thing thats pissing me off is people are buying cheap.Trading in nice old cars for cheap korean crap, so 5 years down the line when they all start falling apart and rusting everyones gona look like there driving around in cars that have been dredged out of the sea.All im seeing around here now are morons in Hyundai's and Kia's

[trigger]

That is a good point, In 5 years time when you are after a decent second hand car will there be none of your Focus/Astras and Golfs about? and of those that will be still about will they become overpriced?.I can imagine a market flooded of korean shit selling for peanuts.

[brammy777]

completely true, the second hand car market will collapse, and things will be overpriced, as a fair few of the cars availible will be surplus to demand, so things that are in demand, will cost more.Buy now people, before things go nuts.Its why i want to buy my 2nd car first, while i still can.

[Mr Lobster]

I wouldn't think the used car market will collapse at all tbh. There are still plenty of cars about, certain types / ages of car will be scarce but things will readjust once the scheme ends. A lot of the people who are buying new Hyundais / Kias are the ones who would keep a car for ten years plus anyway. The vast majority of used cars come from manufacturers themselves (delivery mileage stuff sat in fields til its six months old), ex fleet / daily rental and joe public changing his new car every two / three years.Contrary to popular belief the nearly new used car market is still quite good and there are some good deals still to be had. The company that I work for (in my day job!) is selling a lot of 6-12 month old cars and has been doing all year. Scrappage hasn't had much effect on this.

The thing thats pissing me off is people are buying cheap.Trading in nice old cars for cheap korean crap, so 5 years down the line when they all start falling apart and rusting everyones gona look like there driving around in cars that have been dredged out of the sea.All im seeing around here now are morons in Hyundai's and Kia's

Will they though? Kias have a 7 year warranty now and are a reasonably decent car. The Ceed is a pretty good car, Hyundai is Toyota owned so should last reasonably well. The problem will be that a lot of the Kia / Hyundai etc stuff has traditionally a very poor residual value. So if people are buying on finance they will get a double hit. Resale is already poor and values could be pushed further down by a lot of used Hyundai i110's coming into the used market where there is only a limited demand but they will be stuck in them because of the balance owed to the finance company. If they bought in cash and decide to change then they might well be horrified at how little their car is worth. £2k off won't look so good then will it?

[Justin Case]

The problem will be that a lot of the Kia / Hyundai etc stuff has traditionally a very poor residual value. So if people are buying on finance they will get a double hit. Resale is already poor and values could be pushed further down by a lot of used Hyundai i110's coming into the used market where there is only a limited demand but they will be stuck in them because of the balance owed to the finance company. If they bought in cash and decide to change then they might well be horrified at how little their car is worth. £2k off won't look so good then will it?

Great I hope this comes back to bite the miserable tightwads who have happily driven a nice car for years, and are too greedy to swap it for something new until they get a £2,000 handout, half of which comes from the rest of us,when they will throw it away without a moment's hesitation. Let them rot ( the buyers of course, not the Kiaundais )

[Guest]

I reckon the glut of Hyundais in the future will be a bit like the Mitsubishi Carisma - not bad cars, loads of them sold, but ultimately worth very little as the supply/demand didn't stack up later.

[Milford Cubicle]

Hyundai is Toyota owned

They aren't. Are you thinking of Daihatsu? I'm 99% sure they're still owned by the Hyundai corporation. I like most of the latest Kias and Hyundais, at least they avoid the Western trick of looking like cartoon cars with engorged headlights and over the top details, though I expect they'll catch up soon... They look like proper cars.

[Mr Lobster]

They aren't. Are you thinking of Daihatsu? I'm 99% sure they're still owned by the Hyundai corporation.

Oops. Yes I am

[CIH]

Car makers couldnt foresee or plan for a recession, so cry for payouts when times get hard.

Oh be fair, the Government hasn't exactly foreseen or planned for it either and at least the scrappage scheme is helping to prop up the banks with all the finance deals being done. (Hang on I'm being brainwashed by it myself)Thank goodness I saw this recession coming, I'm going back into the shed with my stock of corned beef and gin, let me know when it's over.)

Um, yes they could. They were too busy splurging off big profits, or in the Guvs case huge tax income, to care

[andrew e]

Best nobody looks at the scrappage XJ6 with 63k on U pull....

[trigger]

Best nobody looks at the scrappage XJ6 with 63k on U pull....

I know of a mint 50k XJ6 4.0 that's gonna be scrapped.

[andrew e]

There is a nice one of them too.... and the Dagenham built Mazda 121 with 22k on the clock....

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Best nobody looks at the scrappage XJ6 with 63k on U pull....

I've seen it in the flesh. It's a rotten pile of shit with a good interior. Wings, arches, sills, scuttle are all full of filler. That was no loss.I did see a very clean unmolested Daimler XJ40 on an E plate being loaded up at the Kia garage down the road.

[AnthonyG]

Unless there is a massive sales push by the manufacturers, will the extension create that many extra sales - I would have thought that if you were going to use the scrappage incentive you would have done it by now.There will be some with V reg cars that are now eligible, and some with pre 2002 vans I suppose - plus those who get a job (or a better paid one) between now and when it runs out who decide to go ahead, but I just can't imagine a great surge of demand now.

[FredTransit]

2002 vans? Can vans be younger then?

[brammy777]

It would appear so, i presume the government is trying to get all the self employed 'business out of a van' folks on there side by tempting them with a new van at discount.Dont think many intresting vans will go to be fair, probably a whole load of escort vans, astra MKIII and corsa b vans might be traded, but dont see many others to be fair.At least we know the MKII transits are safe fred!

[pogweasel]

Most vans are generally clapped-out within a few years though, so it is understandable. As an aside I have been driving the current Astra Van about this week, bloody lovely, though the 6-speed box takes some getting used to. It's 1 million times better than the mk4 version, and owns all those silly tall vans, I could be tempted by one you know. Getting back into my kangoo was like going back to an 'orse and cart.

[FredTransit]

It would appear so, i presume the government is trying to get all the self employed 'business out of a van' folks on there side by tempting them with a new van at discount.Dont think many intresting vans will go to be fair, probably a whole load of escort vans, astra MKIII and corsa b vans might be traded, but dont see many others to be fair.At least we know the MKII transits are safe fred!

Well ours are! BUT I do know of a 1969 Mk1 that appears to be hiding from the crusher up North.....

[Owain-328i]

Its a joke. The Guy in charge wasnt even voted in to power, now hes got the cheek to fill the roads with crap un-interesting cars. What a compete c***...........

[dollywobbler]

I'm beyond ranting about it now to be honest, but it's worth remembering that this unelected fool then made Mandelson a Lord, and he's running the scheme and is even more unelected!

[warren t claim]

The Tories must think this is wonderful. Loads of bad PR for Labour and less free road tax cars when they re-introduce the rolling 25 year exemption. It's a conspiracy...

[Mr Lobster]

free road tax cars when they re-introduce the rolling 25 year exemption. It's a conspiracy...

Are the Tories actually going to do that then? If so my R4 will be on free tax next year!Happy Days

[Guest]

If you think a party led by someone who rides to work on a bicycle and has a wind turbine on his roof is going to be kind towards dirty old cars, I would describe your outlook as "optimistic".

[Mr Lobster]

If you think a party led by someone who rides to work on a bicycle and has a wind turbine on his roof is going to be kind towards dirty old cars, I would describe your outlook as "optimistic".

Thats exactly my point! I hadn't heard it mentioned anywhere and would be astonished if it happened. Wouldn't complain mind, but I'd be a touch surprised.

[Mike D]

Thank goodness I saw this recession coming, I'm going back into the shed with my stock of corned beef and gin, let me know when it's over.)

Fugg the scrappage scheme man, build a load of sheds, ration the nation on corned beef and gin and sit back and watch society flourish. I'm in

[warren t claim]

If you think a party led by someone who rides to work on a bicycle and has a wind turbine on his roof is going to be kind towards dirty old cars, I would describe your outlook as "optimistic".

Thats exactly my point! I hadn't heard it mentioned anywhere and would be astonished if it happened. Wouldn't complain mind, but I'd be a touch surprised.

I'm afraid my reliable source was the Practical Classics forum. So it must be true.