invacar LightBulbFun's Invacar & general ramble thread, index on page 1, survivors lists on Pages 24/134 & AdgeCutler's Invacar Mk12 Restoration from Page 186 onwards, still harping on...

[mrbenn]

I suspect they're hoping people won't take it as far as the tribunal.

Don't be shy to seek outside assistance, even just a phone call in the right direction may help you know where you stand.

[egg]

12 minutes ago, mrbenn said:

I suspect they're hoping people won't take it as far as the tribunal.

This. I'm afraid it can be necessary these days. I've had similar experiences with education (which I won't go into here) an in the end we have had to escalate through several layers of complaint which has worked.

Also, please consider speaking to your MP if you haven't already. You may not believe it, but sometimes this has direct results.

[busmansholiday]

7 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

I wish I could say this morning has been good on account of the fresh Model 70 spotings

but I got a letter from the government rejecting my appeal once more

its awfully depressing

and there still both saying im perfectly fit for work and at the same time recommending I get a wheel chair...

(anyone who has been to my house knows just how unsuitable a wheel chair would be for me sadly)

I think the place I sort of shot myself in the foot in so to speak

is during the assessment, i said in a couple questions that yes I can said thing, but it causes me a lot of pain and will end up disabling me for quite some time and I cant do it repeatedly

I should of just said "no i cant do that" 

(but that would of technically been lying, but im too good for my own good it seems ?

Exactly what happened to my mum. "Can you stand at the sink and wash pots "?

"Yea, I have to I live on my own"

"Tough shit, you're fit".

You need a good quack to write a letter including the classic phrase "you have failed in your duty of care towards me". Those words generally strike fear into most people who have any form of responsibility as 'Injury lawyers for you etc' start rubbing their hands. 

 

[LightBulbFun]

how did it work out for your mum in the end there if you dont mind me asking?

 

on the Invacar front, if anyone recalls, on the early days of invacars on AS, it was thought that one of the differences between AC and Invacar Model 70,s was ACs had a roof gasket where as Invacars dont, (Because TPA has one but TWC does not)

however outside of 2 other Invacar Model 70,s from the field, all other Invacar Model 70,s I have seen have had roof gaskets, including SPU870K an Invacar Model 70 older then TWC, so that finally rules out it being a thing that maybe changed mid production (because up until now all other Invacar Model 70,s I have seen where newer then TWC)

 

im guessing then TWC was taken apart at some point in her life, and then whoever put her back together again forgot to put the roof gasket back on

 

(this also tallies up with some other inconstancies iv noticed with TWC)

[busmansholiday]

My mother's quack wrote a very strongly worded letter to them. A week or so later she got everything back, no apology or anything. I understand that the whole system is now designed so you fail.

 

Make sure if asked to attend you ask them how?, are you providing a taxi, is it at ground floor level (as I cannot climb stairs), will you be able to help me in / out of transport etc. You need to lay it on thick. 

[busmansholiday]

In terms of what happened to Invacars, when my grandfather died in the mid 60's my parents told the relevant department and they sent a man around who simply collected it and took it back to the local depot.

 

In terms of the missing posts, this site is backed up, talk to the mods, they may* be able to help.

[LightBulbFun]

it seems like it sadly  im happy your mum was able to sort things out in the end tho

(examinations I have been called to, we always claim the taxi expense so they know that much, or should in theory at least! )

I wonder what invacar your grandfather drove, being mid 1960s or older, could of been any number of different makes and models of invalid carriage

and good idea on asking the mods, I was thinking about that as well.

[bloobloo]

LBF, have you been in contact with Fightback? they are a legal team who specialise in cases like yours. They are a chaity with real lawyers who guide and also represent you at tribunals or even simply filling the form out. get in touch, they may be able to help you.  https://www.facebook.com/FightBack4Justice/

 

[trigger]

I just spotted some type of Invacar thing in the background of this photo from the late 70's.

[egg]

That's a MK12 Trigger

[LightBulbFun]

9 hours ago, bloobloo said:

LBF, have you been in contact with Fightback? they are a legal team who specialise in cases like yours. They are a chaity with real lawyers who guide and also represent you at tribunals or even simply filling the form out. get in touch, they may be able to help you.  https://www.facebook.com/FightBack4Justice/

 

Thanks for the tip, looks to be subscription based or something?

all this government crap have been quite sudden and overwhelming, especially as I have never dealt with anything like it before, (not helped by the fact they only give you a month to respond to things) it just makes you want to curl up into a ball and give up on life  

 

4 minutes ago, trigger said:

I just spotted some type of Invacar thing in the background of this photo from the late 70's.

 

ohh nice! not going to lie, pretty much the first thing that popped into my head when you made your post about those slides was

"Yay this is going to be an opportunity for some prime Invacar spotting!"

as egg says, looks like its a Invacar Mk12c-Mk12e 

[bloobloo]

1 hour ago, LightBulbFun said:

Thanks for the tip, looks to be subscription based or something?

all this government crap have been quite sudden and overwhelming, especially as I have never dealt with anything like it before, (not helped by the fact they only give you a month to respond to things) it just makes you want to curl up into a ball and give up on life

No, no subscription as far as I'm aware. Give them a ring after the bank holiday and chat to her. I'm positive they will be able to help.

[mrbenn]

Good advice. No harm in getting a bit of specialist help here ?

[LightBulbFun]

I wonder what the reddish brown invalid carriage is here? im thinking some sort of Harper but im not 100% sure...

 

on the note of football, I wonder when was the last football match featuring invacars on the pitch side?

(or when did they stop allowing people with invacars onto the pitch, if you where still using one in 2003, could you still drive onto the pitch?)

[dean36014]

I just watching a video by coventry transport museum about exhibits that are being brought out for motofest next weekend. At the end is a very shiny invacar, just thought I'd highlight it incase it's one you were unaware off. Reg is tjn352r

https://www.facebook.com/CovTM/videos/2344723408926822/UzpfSTc0MjE4Nzk4MjoxMDE1NjYyOTU2ODcyMjk4Mw/?q=coventry transport museum&epa=SEARCH_BOX

[LightBulbFun]

For once someone gets their facts right! (in reference to the "they are however still road legal" )

indeed I am aware of TJN352R, but I appreciate you letting me know just incase I was not aware of it

TJN352R reportedly, was the Last Model 70 in DHSS service, surviving until April 2004 IIRC, "owned" by Mrs webb.

im glad to see its in running order, if sadly the wrong shade of blue!

edit: I see they gave it an MOT in march

[busmansholiday]

2 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

I wonder what the reddish brown invalid carriage is here? im thinking some sort of Harper but im not 100% sure...

 

on the note of football, I wonder when was the last football match featuring invacars on the pitch side?

(or when did they stop allowing people with invacars onto the pitch, if you where still using one in 2003, could you still drive onto the pitch?)

That's Maine Road Manchester, the old home of City (v Stoke looking at that).

I knew that before clicking on the pic and going "search Google for this image".

Try it, I notice amongst the stock images form Alamy that were similar were other grounds with Invacars, including a bit of video. Something to do on a Sunday.

[LightBulbFun]

Just now, busmansholiday said:

That's Maine Road Manchester, the old home of City (v Stoke looking at that).

I knew that before clicking on the pic and going "search Google for this image".

Try it, I notice amongst the stock images form Alamy that were similar were other grounds with Invacars, including a bit of video. Something to do on a Sunday.

indeed I have used googles reverse image search quite a bit as you mention

and yeah iv seen a good few football pictures with invacars hiding in the background  curiously most of the pictures iv seen, seem to be from the early 70s or older, as not many feature Model 70's, mostly older stuff Mk12s 57s 67s etc

[LightBulbFun]

check out what stuart posted in response to the guy making the Model 70 models asking for Invacar paint codes  

its official Invacar colour info!

supposedly its what they used after 1994 for touch ups n stuff,

ATW722L was repainted according to it.

stuart thinks it was a touch too green and was more like what was used on 1966-68 vehicles but it may of just been the bright sunlight it was pictured in

I personally think it looks pretty good, and compares pretty well to GPG721K, which I dont think has ever been repainted on account of being off the road since 1978 LOL

should be very useful for @Zelandeth and @egg  and anyone else looking to repaint an Invacar!

[busmansholiday]

2 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

check out what stuart posted in response to the guy making the Model 70 models asking for Invacar paint codes  

its official Invacar colour info!

should be very useful for @Zelandeth and @egg  and anyone else looking to repaint an Invacar!

Or daft fuckers who have bought a Reliant van that's been painted yellow with TIT Co on the side.

[LightBulbFun]

one for @egg it turns out that this, is the only surviving invalid carriage prototype of any kind, its a factory prototype model of a Mk10 Invacar

 

you could argue its the only known surviving Mk10 Invacar

[LightBulbFun]

the Survivors list has been updated with JNJ135L, turns out despite not showing up on the DVLA checker for some reason, it DOES show up on the MOT checker, and on my Number plate to VIN number thingy  and is indeed out there somewhere still, I wonder why it does not show up on the main DVLA checker page

also turns out AC Model 70s with chassis numbers starting with "PS" do indeed indicate that it was a Model 70 sold privately, its thought PS stands for Private sale (and the chassis numbers go all the way back to the metal AC Acedes hence why even tho very few private AC model 70,s where sold, they all have long chassis numbers and for those wondering government Metal AC Acedes have chassis numbers starting with MH, which we suspect stands for Ministry (of) Health)

privately sold Invacar Model 70s start with "C" which explains REV451Rs weird chassis number  and just to add to the confusion, Private Invacar Model 70s have short AC style chassis numbers so at first I thought REV451R may of had a chassis from an AC Model 70 or such LOL (im not sure why they start with C, but I wonder if it stands for customer?)

also unlike Private ACs which Seemed to be registered where they where being sold to, private Invacar Model 70's look to have just been lumped in with whatever batch of DHSS Model 70's where being made at the time

[dollywobbler]

Coventry Transport Museum has just published this pic on Twitter.

[LightBulbFun]

Ohh thanks for the heads up, I left them with a fun fact tweet

(I also see you tweeted about it, indeed someone one has painted it the wrong shade of the blue sadly!)

as a side note I did some counting last night and if my counting is correct I have 106 AC and Invacar Model 70 registration/chassis numbers documented at the time of writing this 

[dollywobbler]

Here's a fun fact. Elly the 2CV was sold new by Charles Lewis garage in Shrewsbury. Apparently, they also had the Invacar contract for Shrewsbury! So, potentially, TWC is not Elly's first Invacar friend. Amazed by that!

[LightBulbFun]

1 minute ago, dollywobbler said:

Here's a fun fact. Elly the 2CV was sold new by Charles Lewis garage in Shrewsbury. Apparently, they also had the Invacar contract for Shrewsbury! So, potentially, TWC is not Elly's first Invacar friend. Amazed by that!

oh thats very cool what are the chances of that  I wonder if theres any pictures of Elly when she was new next to an Invacar?

on the TJN352R front, I mentioned on twitter that I have the official paint info, which they asked me to email to them which I have done

I certainly did not expect to be helping out museums like this! do I hope they got the email on their end  

[busmansholiday]

12 hours ago, dollywobbler said:

Coventry Transport Museum has just published this pic on Twitter.

 

The reg plate interested me (I am sad) as it looked like a fake phone number (which it is). But it looks like somebody has simply mis spelt (or mis numbered) it as Neves Garage is in Sidcup and just the first numbers are the wrong way around.

[LightBulbFun]

12 minutes ago, busmansholiday said:

The reg plate interested me (I am sad) as it looked like a fake phone number (which it is). But it looks like somebody has simply mis spelt (or mis numbered) it as Neves Garage is in Sidcup and just the first numbers are the wrong way around.

Yeah I also noticed the number plate too

"dealer plates" on an invacar  

I did google the garage name and it looks like they are still around I think? but I did not notice the phone-number stuff, good spot

[LightBulbFun]

JNJ135L has this rather interesting MOT fail, I wonder how old the cross-plys where LOL

also the use of plural "tyres" when talking about the tyre on the front axle  (reminds me of a Reliant Robin on here that failed an MOT because of a brake imbalance across the front axle?!)

(im curious why its the rear tyres that are wrong and not the front one thats wrong for example?)

[catsinthewelder]

I think you are allowed to have (a) crossply(s) on the front and radials on the back but not the other way around and never mixed on an axle.

 

Wording will be standard on the computer program so is wrong for 3 wheelers.