Help FTP.

[puddlethumper]

Just had an FTP while proceeding. Doing 50 ish on dual carriageway and the engine decided it didn't want to run anymore. No bangs or ominous noise. Got to the side of the road and tool a look. No leaks, plenty fuel pressure. Thought, maybe stop solenoid, although I've never had one go that suddenly, so hooked the plunger out. Won't start. Took an injector pipe off and it seems there is no fuel to the injectors. Do pumps go suddenly dead like that ?

It's an Xud 1.9 with a bosch pump. 

Thoughts from the collective please.

[Scruffy Bodger]

Cambelt? If you've taken the fuel stop out and no fuel then... I've never had and never heard of a Bosch pump just failing while running I'm afraid to report

[bub2006]

I'm not sure on the inner workings of the pump but I'd guess belt failure too. Any chance of checking it?

[dave21478]

Check the simples first.

 

Is there fuel in it?

Is the filter blocked?

Does pumping the primer bulb do anything?

 

After that, take the cover off and check the belt.

[red5]

How fast does it turn over? 

[beko1987]

I'm thinking belt too, mine did this. Don't try and turn it over without checking the belt... Aux belt in tact and looking ok?

[red5]

I'm thinking belt too, mine did this. Don't try and turn it over without checking the belt... Aux belt in tact and looking ok?

 

Too late - it was doing 50mph....

[puddlethumper]

Check the simples first.

 

Is there fuel in it?

Is the filter blocked?

Does pumping the primer bulb do anything?

 

After that, take the cover off and check the belt.

Plenty fuel in it, filter good, pumping primer does nothing.

I'll have to check the belt.

[puddlethumper]

I'm thinking belt too, mine did this. Don't try and turn it over without checking the belt... Aux belt in tact and looking ok?

Aux belt intact and brand new.

[dave21478]

if pumping the primer does nothing, there is a problem between tank and pump. It should take 4 or 5 pumps to build pressure and get hard to squeeze. Pull off the outlet pipe from the primer and see if anything is coming out.

[red5]

I'm assuming you've turned it over/it was in gear when it stopped. If it turns over quicker then before = no compression = belt failed. Nothing to lose if it's failed whilst driving. Minimum effort needed.

[puddlethumper]

if pumping the primer does nothing, there is a problem between tank and pump. It should take 4 or 5 pumps to build pressure and get hard to squeeze. Pull off the outlet pipe from the primer and see if anything is coming out.

Sorry, what I meant was after a few pumps it was hard but it didn't make any difference.

Thinking belt, like others. Shit! 

I'll have a look tomorrow.

[puddlethumper]

I'm assuming you've turned it over/it was in gear when it stopped. If it turns over quicker then before = no compression = belt failed. Nothing to lose if it's failed whilst driving. Minimum effort needed.

As soon as it died I knocked it into neutral to keep momentum up, to be able to get across a lane of traffic and into the side.

It didn't seem to turn over any quicker than normal.

[DSdriver]

Do you need a tow? (dependent on location).

[Scruffy Bodger]

As soon as it died I knocked it into neutral to keep momentum up, to be able to get across a lane of traffic and into the side.

It didn't seem to turn over any quicker than normal.

 

That indicates the belt is intact then It will wind over much faster if the belt has gone. If the aux belt is intact that's a good sign too. XUD's have a habit of snapping the aux belt and then the remnants finding their way into the cambelt leading to catastrophic failure. Fingers crossed this is just fuel related.

[DSdriver]

pump relay? Or is that just a Volvo thing?

[Scruffy Bodger]

pump relay? Or is that just a Volvo thing?

 

The old Bosch pumps on an XUD are fully mechanical, no ecu, relays etc, all it needs is a 12v feed to the fuel cut off for it to run.

[puddlethumper]

Do you need a tow? (dependent on location).

Thanks but no. Got it hooked away to a mates garage.

[puddlethumper]

This FTP has put the mockers on an afternoon with a lady I really like. (Reciprocated.)

Yeah, and get this guys, SHE LOVES OLD CARS and would love a driveway full if she could.

Wanted to come to Shitefest but cant get the time off on the Friday, so the FoTU is her second choice.

Is this lady a keeper ? or what !

[beko1987]

Too late - it was doing 50mph....

I was doing nearly 60! Even after turning it on the starter and firing it up it lived. Not really something you can check at the side of the road with the engine covers on... Mine had stripped an inch of teeth and had bits of aux belt everywhere and eventually fired up and fucked white smoke out of the exhaust the pump timing was so out, then died when I released the throttle.

 

You got clear fuel line to check for diesel?

[Pillock]

This FTP has put the mockers on an afternoon with a lady I really like. (Reciprocated.)

Yeah, and get this guys, SHE LOVES OLD CARS and would love a driveway full if she could.

Wanted to come to Shitefest but cant get the time off on the Friday, so the FoTU is her second choice.

Is this lady a keeper ? or what !

 

Tell her to get over to your mate's garage, there's a dead XUD she can get her teeth into  

[The Moog]

Wonder if the disappearance of the aux belt had anything to do with it?

[red5]

On which car?

[The Moog]

305 van - 1.9 xud n/a.

 

Aux belt had disappeared earlier on last week. It got replaced along with alternator

[puddlethumper]

I was doing nearly 60! Even after turning it on the starter and firing it up it lived. Not really something you can check at the side of the road with the engine covers on... Mine had stripped an inch of teeth and had bits of aux belt everywhere and eventually fired up and fucked white smoke out of the exhaust the pump timing was so out, then died when I released the throttle.

 

You got clear fuel line to check for diesel?

Yep, I've got clear pipe. 

[puddlethumper]

Wonder if the disappearance of the aux belt had anything to do with it?

Could that have a bearing on what's happened ? Buggered if I know !

[Joey spud]

Give it a ''gentle sniff'' of something volatile like Lynx Africa or Brake Cleaner down the air intake to see if it will run ok.

 

If it runs easily then mechanically you are probably ok and its just a fueling concern.

[D Spares & Tyres]

At a guess I would say that part of the old belt has gone under the cambelt and knocked the timing out. You may be lucky and get away with timing it up again

[The Moog]

We should have looked harder. Just assumed it has disappeared into the ether.

[puddlethumper]

^^ Didn't think of that. Blimey ! I'll have a look tomorrow.

 

Ta for all the info everybody.