3500 grand for a 405? Really?

[Faker]

To be fair, that's listed at that price it hasn't sold at that.

I could list my Visa for the same money but it wouldn't sell either.

Probably more one for the ebay bargains thread.

How is meg ?

[Scruffy Bodger]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323364859560?ssPageName=STRK:MESCX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1557.l2649

 

Another one up for sale and already making strong money with 9 days left to go. Still can't quite believe another one turned up in exactly the same colour, model etc to mine with nearly half the mileage on it!

[Tadhg Tiogar]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323364859560?ssPageName=STRK:MESCX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1557.l2649

 

Another one up for sale and already making strong money with 9 days left to go. ...

It may be making strong money, but will the winning bidder actually pay for it?

[Lacquer Peel]

It may be making strong money, but will the winning bidder actually pay for it?

Why wouldn't they?

[lesapandre]

Why wouldn't they?

I think that would make a thread in its own right. I've had "I bid by mistake"...cryptic midnight messages about collections and "I didn't now you lived so far away" and "does it have an MoT" when the ad said it didn't. In person I've had it "is in worse condition than the photos" even though I asked people to view ...and on and on zzzzzzzzzzzz

[sierraman]

You find sometimes these enthusiast types that look specific for an 405 or whatever tend to be extremely specific, picking up on every little detail fault on a 20 year old car. Bids might have gone to a couple of grand but it could have turned to shit when they discover it hasn't got the correct period Peugeot valve caps on.

[carlo]

No air conditioning, pah

[Scruffy Bodger]

You find sometimes these enthusiast types that look specific for an 405 or whatever tend to be extremely specific, picking up on every little detail fault on a 20 year old car. Bids might have gone to a couple of grand but it could have turned to shit when they discover it hasn't got the correct period Peugeot valve caps on.

That one's pretty well as it came from the showroom I should think. I had a quick look round it the other week when mine was parked next to it.

 

No air conditioning, pah

Nope, nor's mine, must have been an option only on the SRDT. All 4 windows and sunroof are electric so easy enough to drop them all in warm weather and they don't make that horrific wooo, wooo, wooo din that new cars seem to when one of the rear windows is put down.

[sierraman]

I've just read the ad for that 405. Bloody hell talk about over egging it. The creative writing course paid off..."should be in a museum... High level of collectability... Diesel sports saloon... Iconic piece of motoring history..." Seriously.

 

Its a nice old thing but its not the Acropolis, its a 20 year old Peugeot diesel, granted a very good car when new but I wouldn't go to two and a half grand on it. He goes on to give it all the usual KGF bollocks about it being bought by an elderly man who bought it and caressed it every night as it sat by the radiator in a carpeted garage. Credit to the guy who is selling it, he'll have given a couple of hundred for it, given it a bit of a wash and its looking like he will see £3,000 on it. Happy days.

[Scruffy Bodger]

I've just read the ad for that 405. Bloody hell talk about over egging it. The creative writing course paid off..."should be in a museum... High level of collectability... Diesel sports saloon... Iconic piece of motoring history..." Seriously.

 

Totally agree with that. He's also managed to mention the paint work to the roof but managed to omit the dent in the sill, although it is pictured in the final photo montage. By all accounts it's not a bad old bus though so someone should get a decent motor out of it.

[carlo]

Still don't get why these are suddenly worth five times as much as a petrol version.  Makes no sense at all.

[sierraman]

Occasionally these do pop up on Gumtree, one recently came up on mine £400 for a diesel with no test. That seemed expensive to me. Looked like a bereavement sale so going in with the size 12's on wouldn't have been appropriate.

 

I think people go for the diesel on the basis of in the 90's it was the one to go for, now though its less relevant.

[Scruffy Bodger]

Well, that escalated quickly. Someone's just bid it up to 3K from 2K in 2 bids 

 

 

[Junkman]

Something is definitely happening.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1995-Peugeot-405-1-9-Turbo-Diesel-GLX-Estate-FSH-/132741891941

 

 

I'm increasingly seeing them bid to that kind of dosh.

Only good ones, of course.

[sierraman]

Looks tidy, but I wouldn’t go to £1600 on one. But I suppose if you must have a 405 then it’s not the earth. But when a grand would get you the best 406 diesel estate going I’d question the thinking if they were just looking for a reliable old car. A 406 would be better on the fuel, nicer inside , easier to find parts for etc...

[HillmanImp]

How is meg ?

 

Sorry missed that. 

 

MOT passed. Used a few times a week for a month or so, FTP, currently not working, no spark, awaiting me to fix. 

[D Spares & Tyres]

Looks tidy, but I wouldn’t go to £1600 on one. But I suppose if you must have a 405 then it’s not the earth. But when a grand would get you the best 406 diesel estate going I’d question the thinking if they were just looking for a reliable old car. A 406 would be better on the fuel, nicer inside , easier to find parts for etc...

You sure you are on the right forum?

[Junkman]

May I point out the sticker in the back window?

 

Whose was it?

[Junkman]

Looks tidy, but I wouldn’t go to £1600 on one.

That might be the reason why somebody else owns it now.

 

 

But I suppose if you must have a 405 then it’s not the earth. But when a grand would get you the best 406 diesel estate going I’d question the thinking if they were just looking for a reliable old car. A 406 would be better on the fuel, nicer inside , easier to find parts for etc...

I thought we are talking about cars here?

[Lacquer Peel]

405s are beyond the banger stage, decent ones command decent money. Not sure of the logic of petrol ones being so worthless mind, the XUD is great but compared to modern diesels it's thirsty and slow.

[sierraman]

See a good 406 HDI goes well enough and does a shit load to the gallon.

 

The old XUD though in the 406 was a good motor in its day though, immeasurably better as a diesel than anything else on offer. If you thought the XUD was rough and slow I’d suggest a run round the block in a 2.3 Indenor equipped Sierra or a NA Cavalier Diesel.

[Lacquer Peel]

It was outclassed by the Rover L series and VAG VE TDI 20 years ago, I say that as an XUD fanboy.

[sierraman]

No that’s a good point the Rover L series was an outstanding unit, when Ford were selling NA Escort diesels that couldn’t crack 80mph, Rover were selling the 220D that with a bit of fiddling could see sub 10 sec 0-60 times. Those L series nearly always outlived the body.

 

The VW TDI was always a good unit, I’ve done some mad miles in those, with good maintenance they kept going. One thing I always remember about those was that they always felt the same whether they’d done 50 or 150k. Not like the later Passat B6 rubbish.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

£1600 is reasonable for a car that, with care, will last another 10 or 20 years. I've driven a couple of 406's and like them so don't get the dislike - to me they are the last 'pretty' Peugeot when they were good at that sort of thing.

 

I guess 405's are in that sweet spot where the car is more than good enough to drive but cheap to run and easy to fix because it's not festooned with electronic shit and engines that are not fit for purpose. In 10 years between the final E36 saloon and the first E90 with the N43, BMW went from making a well considered car that did it's job well for 200'000 miles to absolute rubbish that can't. PSA went the same way, along with everyone else.

 

See how far 1600 quid goes repairing an FTP'd 408 saloon. Not far I'll wager. 

[alcyonecorporation]

406s aren't bad cars - the coupe in particular is criminally undervalued - but they have a little but less staying power than the 405 and in many cases ask more of the same running gear to move a heavier car.

 

I'll have a coupe before they start fetching daft sums. A 2.2 HDi is one of the best diesel dailies I can think of in terms of price, looks, handling and economy - provided you haven't got tons of stuff and people to lug around.

[binhoker668]

So yeah, who owned the white estate then? I also spotted the sticker....

[Junkman]

405s are beyond the banger stage, decent ones command decent money. Not sure of the logic of petrol ones being so worthless mind, the XUD is great but compared to modern diesels it's thirsty and slow.

 

I think it's the turbodiesels that command the real money.

 

Generally I'm baffled by where the prices went across the board.

[Talbot]

It's the speed at which the jump happened. Lots of 80's and very early 90's shite is beginning to come up in value, but it seems to do so somewhat more progressively. The 405 market seems to have gone from cheap-old-chod to commanding-some-value in a few months.

[Junkman]

^^

This.

 

And it happened overnight.

I went to bed owning some prime Autoshite and woke up owning a coveted classic.

I don't know whether I really like that.

[mercrocker]

It is a shock but it shouldn't be a huge big surprise - if that's not an oxymoron.   As I alluded to in the grumpy thread it won't be long before we are completely priced out of decent cars that do not come with a plethora of unwanted, unreliable and un-cheap-to-fix bells and whistles, none of which make the motor vehicle operate in any more satisfactory function than a 405 or 190E.   

 

If you want such unfettered modern motoring you ain't gonna have a whole lot of choice before very long and will wish you had purchased an uncomplicated 80s/90s saloon. 

 

190E values are still in the pits (in reality, not white-room dream world) because I own one.   If I ever come to sell it buy it very quickly as they will double overnight.....