More Scrappage, GRRRR

[CortinaDave]

Added my "no" vote to the poll

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Lord Mandelson, secretary of state for business, said: "I'm pleased that we have already achieved over 150,000 new car orders. This is a great deal for manufacturers and dealers, not to mention the customers.“The scheme has contributed to the 13.5% jump in car manufacturing and the first growth in new car registrations since April 2008.â€ÂAccording to the Government data released today, new cars that have been bought under the scrappage scheme have 25% lower carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions on average than the cars that are being scrapped.The average CO2 figure for scrapped cars is estimated to be at least 179 g/km, compared to a much lower 133.9 g/km emissions average for cars bought through the scheme".Hmm, from 179 to 133. That's really worthwhile then. Still, only another 150'000 cars to be crushed.

[Volksy]

Yer, 150,000 orders for none UK manufacturers.Great.

[FredTransit]

“The scheme has contributed to the 13.5% jump in car manufacturing and the first growth in new car registrations since April 2008.†Er, so are all those previously produced cars still sat in fields then?

[Albert Ross]

I'm afraid so. We were told that all scrappage deals meant the car had to be ordered from the factory as a unique order, and we couldn't pluck a vahicle from our stock. That meant that the thirty or so cars our sales manager bought ready for scrappage, can only be sold NOT for scrappage, special discounts apply etc! The firm I work for is giving extra deals on scrappage anyway, down to vehicles as old and out of date as 6 years, i mean, why would you want an 03 reg banger on your drive? Set of wankers. We let a perfectly good Vovlo S40 go, on a P plate 30 odd thou on the clock, one elderly owner. Criminal waste. It would have seen Mr Bloggs off the council estate 7 good years of service gathering Macdonalds wrappers and greasy fingerprints and snot in the windows. I so wanted to steal that car! I might hide the keys of the next ones to show up......

[FredTransit]

I was kidding! So wait, the cars sold under this scheme are all newly ordered? It makes it even more of an environmental disaster than before! Specially seen as there are still lots full of unsold older cars.

[Mash]

It seems to me that somebody somewhere is sat in an office getting paid an awful lot of money to be really really stupid on a day to day basis. I could come up with hare-brained no-logic schemes like this anytime they want me to

[Albert Ross]

It's true. All new cars have to be freshly ordered, so the ones that were built and unsold prior to this remain unsold if the customer wants to go with the scrappage scheme. It was done as a way of creating the complete job chain, so the man that fits the bulbs to the headlamps gets a job to do aswell........not just actually to sell a previously made car that gets older and more unsold every day.......shades of the 80s and fields full of Montegos springs to mind! Though, that said, Montegos never sold cos they were shit back then. Let alone now!!!

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Check this out for a heinous crime.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8188267.stm

 

It seems some of western europe's unwanted but perfectly serviceable secondhand cars have actually been repatriated to someone who could make continued use of them! Rather than simply flattened and binned! This is clearly the work of CRIMINAL GANGS who have no doubt got some unspecified links to TERRORISM. To make it worse, they wre also probably IMMIGRANTS. OMG WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

 

If I was a policeman and I was tasked to investigate this crime, i'd start by trying to pin-point exactly who was the victim of this appalling behaviour.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Lord Mandelson, secretary of state for business, said: "I'm pleased that we have already achieved over 150,000 new car orders. This is a great deal for manufacturers and dealers, not to mention the customers.“The scheme has contributed to the 13.5% jump in car manufacturing and the first growth in new car registrations since April 2008.â€ÂAccording to the Government data released today, new cars that have been bought under the scrappage scheme have 25% lower carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions on average than the cars that are being scrapped.The average CO2 figure for scrapped cars is estimated to be at least 179 g/km, compared to a much lower 133.9 g/km emissions average for cars bought through the scheme".Hmm, from 179 to 133. That's really worthwhile then. Still, only another 150'000 cars to be crushed.

Hey thats quite laughable, seeing as these old cars are from the days when emissions figures were not calculated or published, this 179 figure must be 'estimated' unless theyve driven each scrappage car and carefully measured its fual consumption before crushing it. :roll:BUSTARDS

[Negative Creep]

Is it me or are there less cheap cars around at the moment? Trying to find one to replace both of mine, but under £700 it's a pretty piss poor selection

[peter9000uk]

Laughable when you think the government will get 15% VAT back anyway

[Pete-M]

Is it me or are there less cheap cars around at the moment? Trying to find one to replace both of mine, but under £700 it's a pretty piss poor selection

I can do you a nice Mondeo 24v Ghia X for £700.

[Milford Cubicle]

 

Hey thats quite laughable, seeing as these old cars are from the days when emissions figures were not calculated or published, this 179 figure must be 'estimated' unless theyve driven each scrappage car and carefully measured its fual consumption before crushing it.

 

BUSTARDS

Co2 is directly linked with fuel consumption. Someone posted a table in Practical Classics recently - 45mpg = 150g/km, etc.

 

Ah here's a handy graph

 

 

From the same blog, this is a great article

 

http://co2calculator.wordpress.com/2009 ... ge-scheme/

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Check this out for a heinous crime.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8188267.stmIt seems some of western europe's unwanted but perfectly serviceable secondhand cars have actually been repatriated to someone who could make continued use of them! Rather than simply flattened and binned! This is clearly the work of CRIMINAL GANGS who have no doubt got some unspecified links to TERRORISM. To make it worse, they wre also probably IMMIGRANTS. OMG WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!If I was a policeman and I was tasked to investigate this crime, i'd start by trying to pin-point exactly who was the victim of this appalling behaviour.

The same thing could happen here. But specially trained Police squads led by the leather overcoat wearing Obersturbanfuehrer Von Mandelssohn will quickly stamp them out like the non eco compliant vermin that they are. Mobile courts and swift judgement will fall upon these Untermensch.

[Spottedlaurel]

Is it me or are there less cheap cars around at the moment? Trying to find one to replace both of mine, but under £700 it's a pretty piss poor selection

I struggled, which was I ended up spending over £500 on the Bluebird.

[Rocket88]

Just a thought, but those huge machines in scrappies that actually crush cars are presumably powered by some sort of chuffing great diesel engine. I also presume that they are fitted with the latest anti pollution devices, and emit no nasty stuff into the atmosphere? ........................

[scooters]

Is it me or are there less cheap cars around at the moment? Trying to find one to replace both of mine, but under £700 it's a pretty piss poor selection

I can do you a nice Mondeo 24v Ghia X for £700.

I've bought a LS400 for £600 quid, and 2 x XJ40s for £500 in the last 2 months.you tend to find that big cars with so called scary engines are relatively easy to pick up for sweetie money as the punters think they are too expensive to repair - depending on what you are using them for they are perfectly good reliable cars.You can pick up Volvo 240's and 340s for pennies

[dollywobbler]

Think the Minor may be saved, possibly the Mini I mentioned too...

[FredTransit]

Hooray! Dollywobbler is turning into the Schindler of car scrappage victims! Wish I had known what you told us Dollywobbler, I could have saved a 68 SWB transit.

[dollywobbler]

Well, I try my best but it's chuffing exhausting! I can't take too much credit either as others are working just as hard to save cars - such as the Riley clubs with that RME. We just reported the facts and they did all the leg-work on that one.

[mouseflakes]

Check this out for a heinous crime.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8188267.stmIt seems some of western europe's unwanted but perfectly serviceable secondhand cars have actually been repatriated to someone who could make continued use of them! Rather than simply flattened and binned! This is clearly the work of CRIMINAL GANGS who have no doubt got some unspecified links to TERRORISM. To make it worse, they wre also probably IMMIGRANTS. OMG WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!If I was a policeman and I was tasked to investigate this crime, i'd start by trying to pin-point exactly who was the victim of this appalling behaviour.

LOL!Substitute 'cardboard' for 'cars' in this scenario and these terrible 'criminals' would be heralded as saviours of the planet and jolly clever entrepreneurs whose example we should all follow.

[Spottedlaurel]

DW, does any consent need to be sought from the original owner that these cars can be saved? Sometimes people scrap what to us is a very good car for their own, possibly sad, reasons. They may then not be desperately pleased to know it’s still about. Perhaps more of a moral thing than legal?I’m not condoning the scrappage nonsense in any way, and most times I suspect it’s gullible people not realising the worth of what they’ve got and listening to the media, bar-room pundits and the like.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

They may then not be desperately pleased to know it’s still about.

Fuck 'em.

[FredTransit]

They may then not be desperately pleased to know it’s still about.

Fuck 'em.

Exactly. They didn't care it was going to scrap, so why would they care it's not? If it's spite (if I can't have it, nobody can) that's not hardly fair on the car is it? I know a dealer who bought a mint chevette, the woman insisted it should go to be scrapped (nothing to do with scrappage). Obviously she couldn't send in the V5 as scrapped, cos she didn't scrap it. So she called him every day to see if it had gone to the frag yard (didn't even want it to be broken for spares) and in the end he gave in, and broke it up as a compromise. I would have just sold it on, was a low mileage car and she only wanted it to go to scrap cos she didn't want it!

[Spottedlaurel]

Yes, I know that’s the way we might think of it but I’m interested to hear in what actually happens. Who knows, sometimes the previous owner might be pleased to know his/her car didn’t die, they simply didn’t realise its value/interest and were talked into it by a salesman.

[FredTransit]

Oh I get you, that's likely TBH, lots of none car people might have no idea what a car;s worth, not to mention they could probably get the discount offered through crappage without giving em the car....

[dollywobbler]

According to a chap who is close to the scrap scene, there are often classics driven to frag yards to be crushed by peculiar owners. Slighty disturbed of mind or just clueless to the value of the thing?It's like the people who let cars rot on their driveway, never accepting offers. Some people are just odd.EDIT - SL, in the case of the Riley, the original owner was contacted and he was pleased that it would be saved.

[FredTransit]

Why was the Riley put into the scheme then? If he was pleased it was saved? I would far rather see the headline "keep your car going, it's better for the environment" and "Don't put your classic or vintage car into the scrappage scheme" that "Bangers for Cash a huge success" but I reckon that's never gonna happen....

[AnthonyG]

According to a chap who is close to the scrap scene, there are often classics driven to frag yards to be crushed by peculiar owners.

I can understand the situation that SL is alluding to, for instance if your partner or child had commited suicide in it by gassing themselves (I knew a girl at school whos mum did that in a 68 Minor in the early 1990s), then you might not want to see it still running around.Unlikely that these would then be used for scrappage scheme allowance, it's far more likely just people thinking 'the car's really old, no one will want it' or 'I paid £200 for it in 1974, £2000 must be far more than it's worth now'