New Tax Rules

[tanithvosloo]

Done know if this has already been posted

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/other/new-2017-road-tax-rules-a-five-minute-guide/ar-BBy9eWK

[Twiggy]

Thank you for taking the time to post that, interesting and useful - if you`re buying a new car.

[Jim Bell]

Two grand to tax fast new cars now.

 

Brimey.

[garbaldy]

Looks like somebody has been on bragbook listening to the scare stories,

 

I got two calls from dopy mates just last night about the new tax rules, one was saying how the hell will I be able to sell my puke when it's going to cost £800 to tax, nobody will want it.

The mind boggles

[LostnotFound]

My take home from this is when we all come to buy an autoshite spec Duster in ten years time, it'll be worth trying to get a 2017 model for the cheaper VED.

[garbaldy]

By 2020 if you mainly want to buy a three year old car then buy the most powerful you can find as they will all be £140 to tax even a Tesla.

[bub2006]

So basically in years to come us Shiters will be paying a flat fee for whatever shite we buy and not be concerned over a sliding scale and whether car is pre or post 2006?

[garbaldy]

Bubs got it.

[scaryoldcortina]

I'm so glad they found a way to make it even more complicated. Yay.

[garbaldy]

But it's not that complicated after three years or is it two not sure, they all cost the same so won't affect us really.

[bub2006]

Not complicated I don't think. I will never afford a new or nearly new car and I spend a while checking out potential buys cost of ved. In 15 years or so I will know it's just a flat fee. Saying that, in 15 years the flat fee will probably £500

[cros]

Cheaters tax for cars fitted with 'special' software will be a discretionary fee paid direct to government officials in a brown envelope.

[scaryoldcortina]

It does mean that when buying a 17 plated car (in the distant future obv) you would need to find out the date of first reg to work out its tax rate because the rules come in on 1/4/17 but the reg starts on 1/3/17. If only there was a small piece of paper in the corner of the windscreen with the cost and expiry date written on it....

 

 

Also, Hybrids still zero rated. Why?

[garbaldy]

I wonder what the likes of Kia think now that people won't be hunting for the car that has £30 tax,

The same buyer can now buy any car they want with a roughly similar mpg.

[bub2006]

It does mean that when buying a 17 plated car (in the distant future obv) you would need to find out the date of first reg to work out its tax rate because the rules come in on 1/4/17 but the reg starts on 1/3/17. If only there was a small piece of paper in the corner of the windscreen with the cost and expiry date written on it....

 

 

Also, Hybrids still zero rated. Why?

Just look for a 67 plate onwards chap!

[scaryoldcortina]

It's not usually my decision tbh. I'm only annoyed by it because I do pre-purchase inspections for people and I often get asked if I know how much it will cost to tax.

[garbaldy]

It's not usually my decision tbh. I'm only annoyed by it because I do pre-purchase inspections for people and I often get asked if I know how much it will cost to tax.

They won't need to ask you that in a few years as it will all be the same price.

[Kiltox]

My take home from this is when we all come to buy an autoshite spec Duster in ten years time, it'll be worth trying to get a 2017 model for the cheaper VED.

Only £5 difference for the 2WD (I think mine is going to be registered just before the cut off)

[LostnotFound]

Only £5 difference for the 2WD (I think mine is going to be registered just before the cut off)

 

We all want the 4wd version surely? Of course due to lower road tax people will be trying to flog them for a couple of hundred quid more wiping out any tax savings for years. 

 

VED has much more of an effect on the people of this good parish due to multiple car ownership. For people buying new cars if can't make much difference as it'll generally be less than one of their monthly PCP payments anyway, before fuel, insurance, tyres etc...

[Skizzer]

Should there be a tax on posting clickbait 'news' items from MSN?

 

[/tetchy git]

[Junkman]

ORL MODRENZ IZ SIHT

[NorfolkNWeigh]

Tenuous connection, I know . But have we got to the stage where some 2006 cars cost more to tax than they're worth yet?

This morning I dropped MrsN's Freelander at autoelectrician to fix ( ha!) a couple of foibles, mentioned that we're getting it ready to sell and replace with a Cayenne. Turns out his daughter has got a 3.2 V6 she's selling , problem is it's a late 2006 56 plate , that means £515 a year tax. Difficult to justify when one six months older would be £295.

[bub2006]

I can see that will cause a chasm of cars no longer existing in a few years

[Asimo]

It is much easier to understand the Govt. press release than the hysterical guff the press trots out.

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/534511/ved-reform-briefing-for-motor-industry.pdf

[Negative Creep]

Much fairer system all round, they know they messed up thanks to the recent slew of OMG DEESEL IS KILING POLER BARES articles. Although in fairness, no one could have predicted that a taxation system that massively favoured diesel would mean everyone went out an bough a diesel.

[wuvvum]

This isn't going to affect me for at least 10 years - it'll be that long and probably longer before I buy a 2017 car.

[overrun]

As above, this won't affect me.

It does seem to imply that anyone who 'owns' a car that was £40k+ list price will pay a fortune for the first 3 years, though.

That isn't really fair if the car was discounted to say £35K when first registered, surely?

 

I wonder if we will see older (pre April '17) stuff become more sought after, and Joe Public wanting to hold onto his car, though?

We all know that most people think newer is better, but these are also the same people who often only ticked on a £10K+ new car to 'save' money on tax.

[Bianconeri]

It is much easier to understand the Govt. press release than the hysterical guff the press trots out.

 

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https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/534511/ved-reform-briefing-for-motor-industry.pdf

 

Agreed. It has to be based on list price to avoid the wholesale fiddling that would go on about discounts otherwise. Same as the current company car tax regime.

 

Most people will pay £140 on their never ending rental cycle.

 

If you have a expensive egowagen on your PCP you'll pay £450. When the reaches 5 years old (and you'll be at least 2 PCP contracts on) it'll revert to £140.

 

If you have a "zero emissions" car it'll cost £0, unless the list price is over £40k when it'll be £310 for the first 5 years.

 

Buy a 5 year old car after April 2022 at it'll cost you £140 in road tax. 

[gordonbennet]

Tenuous connection, I know . But have we got to the stage where some 2006 cars cost more to tax than they're worth yet?

This morning I dropped MrsN's Freelander at autoelectrician to fix ( ha!) a couple of foibles, mentioned that we're getting it ready to sell and replace with a Cayenne. Turns out his daughter has got a 3.2 V6 she's selling , problem is it's a late 2006 56 plate , that means £515 a year tax. Difficult to justify when one six months older would be £295.

Believe it or not, even the bloody HSE auto Diesels in Freelander 1 go into £500 bracket, thought me eyes were deceiving me when i saw a then £475odd tax disc in the window of an HSE belonging to a colleague.

 

Yes in theory it all sounds good for future shiters who want something a bit juicier which at present only the brave will buy regd 06 on (i won't, just an't give the sods 500 knicker to piss up the wall), but we have got two problems.

 

Is anything made in 2017 still likely to be running in 12 years time, bearing in mind timing chains of cheese being just one improvement* they've made recently then effin electric parking brakes and everlasting* trick gearboxes etc, and if we can find one still going do we trust whichever scheming bleeder sits in the number 11 at the time not to shift the goal posts.

[Kiltox]

For anyone obsessed with tax I have a 2009 Citroen C3 1.4 HDI for sale - £2000 today, £4000 after April 1st

 

£30 tax innit